Political Roundtable Part XXVII

[Ruzious]

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Trump by now has probably set a record for most people who have worked for him and then he's publicly tried to shred to pieces, and he's been at the job just over 3 years. That is emblematic of the person he is and his true body of work.

[Silvie Lysandra]

And a newsflash: Bernie does represent African Americans. He's winning the black vote in my demographic (AA's under 50), and outside of reparations, has the best policies to help AA's. He's also vetting Barbara Lee--a progressive favorite and beloved in the AA community--for VP if he wins.

this is categorically not true, Bernie is winning Black people under 35 (my demographic too) by about 10-15 points and losing Black people over 35 by a bit more than that, and the older you are the more likely you are to vote. While yeah, LV voter models collapse utterly if you get some massive surge of young voters that causes young voters to vote in a primary at historic highs, that's literally just pure faith.

I was a Bernie supporter in 2015 and almost voted for him in 2016, but his fixation on the white working class, anti-immigrant views, and lack of history in Black communities turned me off, and Hillary, while not as progressive on economics, had far more intersectional messaging and policy. This is just more of the same.

[pancakes3]

[TGW]

And a newsflash: Bernie does represent African Americans. He's winning the black vote in my demographic (AA's under 50), and outside of reparations, has the best policies to help AA's. He's also vetting Barbara Lee--a progressive favorite and beloved in the AA community--for VP if he wins.

this is categorically not true, Bernie is winning Black people under 35 (my demographic too) by about 10-15 points and losing Black people over 35 by a bit more than that, and the older you are the more likely you are to vote. While yeah, LV voter models collapse utterly if you get some massive surge of young voters that causes young voters to vote in a primary at historic highs, that's literally just pure faith.

I was a Bernie supporter in 2015 and almost voted for him in 2016, but his fixation on the white working class, anti-immigrant views, and lack of history in Black communities turned me off, and Hillary, while not as progressive on economics, had far more intersectional messaging and policy. This is just more of the same.

I'll find the poll later, but it stated that Bernie was winning AA's under 50. He's definitely winning under 35.

And you'll have to show me his "anti-immigrant" views because my family are immigrants and I've seen nothing to suggest that he's anti-immigrant. He's anti-open borders, which he's well in the right to be as a labor protectionist.

[Silvie Lysandra]

And a newsflash: Bernie does represent African Americans. He's winning the black vote in my demographic (AA's under 50), and outside of reparations, has the best policies to help AA's. He's also vetting Barbara Lee--a progressive favorite and beloved in the AA community--for VP if he wins.

this is categorically not true, Bernie is winning Black people under 35 (my demographic too) by about 10-15 points and losing Black people over 35 by a bit more than that, and the older you are the more likely you are to vote. While yeah, LV voter models collapse utterly if you get some massive surge of young voters that causes young voters to vote in a primary at historic highs, that's literally just pure faith.

I was a Bernie supporter in 2015 and almost voted for him in 2016, but his fixation on the white working class, anti-immigrant views, and lack of history in Black communities turned me off, and Hillary, while not as progressive on economics, had far more intersectional messaging and policy. This is just more of the same.

I'll find the poll later, but it stated that Bernie was winning AA's under 50. He's definitely winning under 35.

And you'll have to show me his "anti-immigrant" views because my family are immigrants and I've seen nothing to suggest that he's anti-immigrant. He's anti-open borders, which he's well in the right to be as a labor protectionist.

Sadly there's no running poll average with this cross tab.

Also first off, labor protectionism is racist by default, secondly, Bernie specifically named the countries that he doesn't want people from.. At least Trump had the decency to talk about shithole countries in private, Bernie just says "no we don't want people from Mexico or Vietnam and China".

[queridiculo]

I never get tired of watching this.

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[Ruzious]

I never get tired of watching this.

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And there's no equivalence, because every single criticism shouldn't just go to Trump; they should go 100 times more to Trump.

[Wizardspride]

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[Ruzious]

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It's laughable that any grownup is stupid enough to truly believe Trump gives a bleep about corruption in a country like the Ukraine.

[Wizardspride]

"If a president does something which he believes will help him get elected in the public interest, that cannot be the kind of quid pro quo that results in impeachment.

It would be a much harder case if a hypothetical president of the United States said to a hypothetical leader of a foreign country, ‘unless you build a hotel with my name on it, and unless you give me a million dollar kickback, I will withhold the funds.’ That’s an easy case. That’s purely corrupt and in the purely private interest.

But a complex middle case is, ‘I want to be elected. I think I’m a great president. I think I’m the greatest president there ever was. If I’m not elected the national interest will suffer greatly.’ That cannot be impeachable".

-- Alan Dershowitz

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"If a president does something which he believes will help him get elected in the public interest, that cannot be the kind of quid pro quo that results in impeachment.

It would be a much harder case if a hypothetical president of the United States said to a hypothetical leader of a foreign country, ‘unless you build a hotel with my name on it, and unless you give me a million dollar kickback, I will withhold the funds.’ That’s an easy case. That’s purely corrupt and in the purely private interest.

But a complex middle case is, ‘I want to be elected. I think I’m a great president. I think I’m the greatest president there ever was. If I’m not elected the national interest will suffer greatly.’ That cannot be impeachable".

-- Alan Dershowitz

How does this guy get a teaching gig after this?

[pancakes3]

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[dobrojim]

So does this mean Mexico should have ownership rights <sorta JK> ?

It would be a real shame if they started to clean up the mess and
the wall somehow got further damage. /irony off

[Wizardspride]

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But if you only count the black voters under 25 that vape and play fortnite, Bernie is at 100%!

[Ruzious]

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And that's just high winds. What happens when we have earthquakes or hurricanes in Texas near the border? The costs are going to continue to be absurd. The lack of thinking things through and planning is really unbelievable. What a bunch of dufus'.

[dobrojim]

medieval thinking

[pancakes3]

pretty sure that an overwhelming amount of border town sheriffs and border patrol directors said that while they welcome the funding, they were overwhelmingly against the wall. would have preferred tech like drones and helicopters.

and while i'm probably the biggest open-border supporter on this board, even i acknowledge the need to prevent drug/human/contraband trafficking at the borders. it just adds to a long list of Trump politicizing a nonpartisan issue and carrying out the dumbest of all possible options

[dckingsfan]

So does this mean Mexico should have ownership rights <sorta JK> ?

It would be a real shame if they started to clean up the mess and
the wall somehow got further damage. /irony off

Mexico should pay for the damage to the wall...