Official Trade Thread -- Part XL

[payitforward]

So that's what became of Illuminaire! Welcome back for a visit, buddy!

"alpha scorer clogged toilet problem"...?

[Illuminaire]

Hey PIF! Yeah, I took some time off after my messy divorce with the Wizards. I've been lurking here off and on since, because this is still some of the best basketball discussion around.

"alpha scorer clogged toilet problem"...?

Oh gosh, don't get me started... I'll share my pain via one tiny image:

These are the top four scorers on the Pels. One of them gets frozen out in tight games. Guess who!

[NatP4]

Wish we still had Satoransky. He’s having a heck of a season. 12.5 points 7.6 assists 4 rebounds 1 steal on 63% TS. Turned out to be a quality NBA player. That’s the type of hits you need in round 2 in today’s NBA.

Would still be a perfect fit for the team Sheppard is trying to build.

[Illuminaire]

He's one of those low end starters, high end bench players that winning organizations lock into cost effective salaries. The Bulls have him at 10m, the 59th highest paid guard in the league. That's just about perfect. Those mid-sized salaries are useful for trades too, especially when attached to solid players.

Basically, Nat, I agree!

[gambitx777]

I posted this on the trade board on the what should the wiz do thewad.

Miami does not have the assets.
I think it's comes down too.

GS, but they loose their best packages she the league year starts when kelly expires, so it would need to be A 3 way. They wizards are not trading beal and taking back wiggins. But it would include pole, at least 2-3 first including the mini picks where ever they fall And of course wiseman.

Grizz, they have a lot of young talent on mid level ish deals and a lot of good bigs on rookie deal plus extra picks.
Best offer would be. Winslow, melton, clarke, bane, the utah first, the gs first and 1 or 2 of their own. Plus some seconds maybe.

NO has like the most picks to give. I don't like the idea of trading for ingram he's got health issues. I would start with a lonzo sign and trade hayes and NAW and 1-5 ish firsts plus seconds.

Boston's doesn't have the extra picks but they have brown ,I don't like the idea of brown for beal. They do have the young talent. Prichard williams III and nesmith would be the starting point, then filler? Even if it's signable before the league year is over and smart after some what works, picks it be 1-5 and acouple of seconds.

NYK it would start with Barret toppin and quickly. Plus the both det seconds they have both dallas firsts they own and two of their own firsts.

Im just giving my options on the best offers out there. That people can offer and what their max offers might be.

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Wish we still had Satoransky. He’s having a heck of a season. 12.5 points 7.6 assists 4 rebounds 1 steal on 63% TS. Turned out to be a quality NBA player. That’s the type of hits you need in round 2 in today’s NBA.

Would still be a perfect fit for the team Sheppard is trying to build.

His game is enough like Troy Brown's that I bet Brooks would have kept him glued to the bench, or maybe tried to play him at power forward, haha.

Maybe the Bulls will also give up something useful for Bonga?

[nate33]

I posted this on the trade board on the what should the wiz do thewad.

Miami does not have the assets.
I think it's comes down too.

GS, but they loose their best packages she the league year starts when kelly expires, so it would need to be A 3 way. They wizards are not trading beal and taking back wiggins. But it would include pole, at least 2-3 first including the mini picks where ever they fall And of course wiseman.

Grizz, they have a lot of young talent on mid level ish deals and a lot of good bigs on rookie deal plus extra picks.
Best offer would be. Winslow, melton, clarke, bane, the utah first, the gs first and 1 or 2 of their own. Plus some seconds maybe.

NO has like the most picks to give. I don't like the idea of trading for ingram he's got health issues. I would start with a lonzo sign and trade hayes and NAW and 1-5 ish firsts plus seconds.

Boston's doesn't have the extra picks but they have brown ,I don't like the idea of brown for beal. They do have the young talent. Prichard williams III and nesmith would be the starting point, then filler? Even if it's signable before the league year is over and smart after some what works, picks it be 1-5 and acouple of seconds.

NYK it would start with Barret toppin and quickly. Plus the both det seconds they have both dallas firsts they own and two of their own firsts.

Im just giving my options on the best offers out there. That people can offer and what their max offers might be.

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The best trade partner for Beal will be if a half-decent team lands a top 4 pick. New Orleans would be ideal, or Minnesota ends up with the 4th pick and it goes to Golden State.

The worst-case scenario would be no decent team lands a top 4 pick. In that event, the best offer would probably be a Golden State package where we get back Minny's 2022 unprotected 1st, the GSW 2021 1st and 2026 1st, Wiggins and Wiseman. If Wiseman could be flipped to someplace like Charlotte for another 1st, that might get interesting.

I don't have too much of a problem taking back Wiggins as the "filler" in the Beal trade. Wiggins is a legit starting caliber small forward and his contract expires at the same time as Westbrook's - setting the stage for max cap room in summer 2023.

[Dat2U]

We've seen no indication that Beal is unhappy. Same with Westbrook. Russ wife said in response to Steven A. Smith that he's the happiest he's been. If you have two "happy" stars despite the record, I think you'll see a continued effort to make it work and build around those two.

[nate33]

We've seen no indication that Beal is unhappy. Same with Westbrook. Russ wife said in response to Steven A. Smith that he's the happiest he's been. If you have two "happy" stars despite the record, I think you'll see a continued effort to make it work and build around those two.

I'm okay with that as long as Beal isn't pushing for a half-assed "all in" move that sacrifices our long term future just so we get the 6th seed for a year or two.

[payitforward]

You may be surprised to hear that I agree. This is not how you build a title contender, but we can become ok. An average team that wins just over or under 1/2 our games.

That's if we get a terrific, quick-developing rookie this year, if Russ declines slowly over the remaining years of his contract & career, if Beal stays, if Bryant comes back strong, if Gafford works out to be a decent back-up Center, if Mathews really is the guy his current numbers show him to be, if Hutchison is a solid NBA player, if Rui takes a big leap & becomes an average NBA forward, if Deni does the same, & if a couple of other things turn out well.

[tontoz]

These are the top four scorers on the Pels. One of them gets frozen out in tight games. Guess who!

Yeah it's a coaching issue there. Zion should get more touches late in games.

Memo to Ingram, it isn't your team any more.

[DCZards]

You may be surprised to hear that I agree. This is not how you build a title contender, but we can become ok. An average team that wins just over or under 1/2 our games.

I don’t believe there is any one way to build a title contender. If you look back at current and recent title contenders most have been built in different ways.

And things can turn around pretty fast. Miami went from not making the playoffs in 2018-19 to the NBA finals in 2019-20.

A Zards team with Beal, Russ, a healthy Bryant (and Gafford as a defensive backup), Rui (if he stays on the current trajectory), an improved Deni (hopefully) and one of the top 3-4 players in this draft is something to build on...and get excited about.

It’s also a good mix of young players and vet leadership.

Of course, hiring a new—and the right—coach is critical.

[Ruzious]

You may be surprised to hear that I agree. This is not how you build a title contender, but we can become ok. An average team that wins just over or under 1/2 our games.

I don’t believe there is any one way to build a title contender. If you look back at current and recent title contenders most have been built in different ways.

And things can turn around pretty fast. Miami went from not making the playoffs in 2018-19 to the NBA finals in 2019-20.

A Zards team with Beal, Russ, a healthy Bryant (and Gafford as a defensive backup), Rui (if he stays on the current trajectory), an improved Deni (hopefully) and one of the top 3-4 players in this draft is something to build on...and get excited about.

It’s also a good mix of young players and vet leadership.

Of course, hiring a new—and the right—coach is critical.

Have faith that Ujiri will pick the right coach.

[payitforward]

You may be surprised to hear that I agree. This is not how you build a title contender, but we can become ok. An average team that wins just over or under 1/2 our games.

I don’t believe there is any one way to build a title contender. If you look back at current and recent title contenders most have been built in different ways.

And things can turn around pretty fast. Miami went from not making the playoffs in 2018-19 to the NBA finals in 2019-20.

A Zards team with Beal, Russ, a healthy Bryant (and Gafford as a defensive backup), Rui (if he stays on the current trajectory), an improved Deni (hopefully) and one of the top 3-4 players in this draft is something to build on...and get excited about.

It’s also a good mix of young players and vet leadership.

Of course, hiring a new—and the right—coach is critical.

No argument from me. I didn't mean to suggest there was only one way to build a contender -- tho, obviously, there are a lot more ways to build a non-contender!

[NYG]

Siakam for Bryant, Deni, Bertans and ‘21 Wizards 1st?

[gambitx777]

Naw I don't have much interest in pascal and he's looking overpaid

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[nate33]

Siakam for Bryant, Deni, Bertans and ‘21 Wizards 1st?

Maybe if the Wizards 1st ended up around 7th or 8th, but definitely not if it's in the top 4.

Overall, I'm not really that excited about Siakam on the Wizards because he's redundant with Hachimura. I'd be much more interested in a deal for OG Anunoby, but he is poison pill so it's not really feasible.

[gambitx777]

Maybe I just value picks different but I have no interest in trading a pick for pascal.

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I don't think I'd do that trade for Siakam either, especially if Bryant and Bertans are the filler contracts. Bertans can be flipped for a pick if he starts playing like himself again. Bryant is more than contract filler. Plus Deni and another first round pick - that is too much.

[gambitx777]

Just some thoughts.

I think Bertans will be worth something this summer. Teams with cap room and TPEs could be down for getting Bertans at his current rate.

I don't think you trade Rui, he's been too good. Deni looks like rui did last year. Flashes , I think you keep him too!

For the record I like talking about what the best beal packages would be, it's fun ,But I also think you don't trade him till he wants out. You ride this train till the wheels fall off, beal is too good and too important to just trade because we aren't winning games.

I think it's time we love on from Scott brooks. The staff and the front office clearly are not in line. I think you need to move on .

Why on earth have we not released robinson yet?

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