Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 8
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I thought the offset rule applied too. But then why would there be any sort of bidding war for these players? What’s the incentive to reduce the ability to make your new team better?
Making extreme statements like "only" sounds like there are "no" Jokics in this draft? Jokic is an engine that was drafted in the 2nd round. Always a chance to see diamond dropped by sloppy burgular after a theft.
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Well, we can put Nate’s Luka to DC fantasy to bed now.
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AFM wrote:Well, we can put Nate’s Luka to DC fantasy to bed now.
It was a really nice fantasy though... I was actually pretty hopeful.

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I really hope we acquire assets by taking on salary next year for cost savings (TPE, CJ, Midds, etc), because Luka & and Trae are re-upping and the FA class if basically headlined by Mikal Bridges...lol
We'll be stuck paying/taking on dumb salary for almost nothing due to the cap floor.
We'll be stuck paying/taking on dumb salary for almost nothing due to the cap floor.
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AFM wrote:Well, we can put Nate’s Luka to DC fantasy to bed now.
Can we? I haven't seen any confirmation from a credible source.
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I am team Kuminga all the way.
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nate33 wrote:AFM wrote:Well, we can put Nate’s Luka to DC fantasy to bed now.
Can we? I haven't seen any confirmation from a credible source.
Now I guess we can put it to rest https://www.espn.com/contributor/shams-charania/4bf8015d29f59
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Man, that seems real pricey to me. That's going to be a hard contract to move if San Antonio decides they'd rather roll with Harper.
I wonder if this could set the table for a trade next summer between the Wizards and San Antonio where we send out our top pick in exchange for Harper. It's too early to assess whether that's fair straight up or if one side or the other needs to throw in more, but the idea of the trade makes a ton of sense. We may be in a position where the best guys on the board when we pick are wing players, when what he need most is a PG. Meanwhile, San Antonio would be in the exact opposite position.
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Worse than beals?nate33 wrote:
Man, that seems real pricey to me. That's going to be a hard contract to move if San Antonio decides they'd rather roll with Harper.
I wonder if this could set the table for a trade next summer between the Wizards and San Antonio where we send out our top pick in exchange for Harper. It's too early to assess whether that's fair straight up or if one side or the other needs to throw in more, but the idea of the trade makes a ton of sense. We may be in a position where the best guys on the board when we pick are wing players, when what he need most is a PG. Meanwhile, San Antonio would be in the exact opposite position.
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gambitx777 wrote:Worse than beals?nate33 wrote:
Man, that seems real pricey to me. That's going to be a hard contract to move if San Antonio decides they'd rather roll with Harper.
I wonder if this could set the table for a trade next summer between the Wizards and San Antonio where we send out our top pick in exchange for Harper. It's too early to assess whether that's fair straight up or if one side or the other needs to throw in more, but the idea of the trade makes a ton of sense. We may be in a position where the best guys on the board when we pick are wing players, when what he need most is a PG. Meanwhile, San Antonio would be in the exact opposite position.
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If it had a no trade clause, it just might be. At least Beal was just one season removed from an All-NBA award, and had had 3 All-Star appearances in the previous 5 years (and it should have been 4). Beal was also second in the league in scoring just one season prior to signing his deal. Beal was 28 at the time and had been an iron man until spraining his wrist the season before signing the contract.
D'Aaron Fox is 2 years removed from his only All-NBA award, and that one year was also his only All-Star appearance. Statistically, his All-NBA season was a significant deviation from his normal career efficiency numbers and may have been a fluke. He has basically posted a .560 TS% in most years of his career except that one .599 season. Fox is 27 right now and has had a bit more injury trouble in the last 5 years than Beal did, but I wouldn't characterize him as injury prone.
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An interesting note about the Fox signing:
But if San Antonio trades Harper for a 2026 FRP, that would push back that contract one year so that it doesn't overlap with Fox and cause luxtax problems.
If the stars align properly and the value seems right, it might make a ton of sense for both teams to trade our lotto pick next summer for Harper
But if San Antonio trades Harper for a 2026 FRP, that would push back that contract one year so that it doesn't overlap with Fox and cause luxtax problems.
If the stars align properly and the value seems right, it might make a ton of sense for both teams to trade our lotto pick next summer for Harper
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nate33 wrote:An interesting note about the Fox signing:
But if San Antonio trades Harper for a 2026 FRP, that would push back that contract one year so that it doesn't overlap with Fox and cause luxtax problems.
If the stars align properly and the value seems right, it might make a ton of sense for both teams to trade our lotto pick next summer for Harper
I like this Nate. Unless we get the #1 or #2 pick and select Peterson, the appeal of say a Harper trade for the #4 pick (e.g. Ament) could be interesting. And we have another year to monitor how well Harper acclimates to the NBA.
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Frichuela wrote:nate33 wrote:An interesting note about the Fox signing:
But if San Antonio trades Harper for a 2026 FRP, that would push back that contract one year so that it doesn't overlap with Fox and cause luxtax problems.
If the stars align properly and the value seems right, it might make a ton of sense for both teams to trade our lotto pick next summer for Harper
I like this Nate. Unless we get the #1 or #2 pick and select Peterson, the appeal of say a Harper trade for the #4 pick (e.g. Ament) could be interesting. And we have another year to monitor how well Harper acclimates to the NBA.
Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking. I don't think I'd trade Peterson for Harper, and maybe not Dybantsa; but if we are looking at the #3 or #4 pick, that's a trade that could make good sense for both teams.
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Spurs probably flip one of the two for the right vet when the time comes, they should be ready to go for a playoff push next season:
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closg00 wrote:Spurs probably flip one of the two for the right vet when the time comes, they should be ready to go for a playoff push next season:
I don't think they'll be flipping Fox for the right vet when Fox is being paid $62M a year.
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nate33 wrote:closg00 wrote:Spurs probably flip one of the two for the right vet when the time comes, they should be ready to go for a playoff push next season:
I don't think they'll be flipping Fox for the right vet when Fox is being paid $62M a year.
Yup... They obviously should of gotten a discount and/or limited it to 3 years.
How does someone look at Beal & Jamal Murray and think giving Fox ~56M/year into his 30's is a good idea
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nate33 wrote:closg00 wrote:Spurs probably flip one of the two for the right vet when the time comes, they should be ready to go for a playoff push next season:
I don't think they'll be flipping Fox for the right vet when Fox is being paid $62M a year.
I meant one of Harper or Castle will be flipped
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closg00 wrote:nate33 wrote:closg00 wrote:Spurs probably flip one of the two for the right vet when the time comes, they should be ready to go for a playoff push next season:
I don't think they'll be flipping Fox for the right vet when Fox is being paid $62M a year.
I meant one of Harper or Castle will be flipped
I doubt flipping Castle will address the problem. The problem is that both Fox and Harper are on-ball guys and neither are particularly good shooters off ball, nor are they gifted defenders. One of those two will probably have to go, and moving Fox just got very difficult.
I don't think Castle is a problem. First of all, he is big enough to slide over to SF if they go find a good off-ball shooter to play SG. Secondly, he is obviously a contributing player even if he doesn't have the ball because of his exceptional defense. (He hasn't yet proven to be a good enough shooter yet, but he is still very young.)
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I do think that closg00 is right that since the Spurs will be looking to compete sooner rather than later if they do move Harper (or Castle) it will more likely be for a proven vet on a good contract than a raw player (i.e. draft pick).
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If they can get that!
Hard to imagine Fox playing at a level to justify his contract.
(OTOH, who knows where salaries are heading....)
Hard to imagine Fox playing at a level to justify his contract.
(OTOH, who knows where salaries are heading....)