ImageImageImageImageImage

Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 8

Moderators: LyricalRico, nate33, montestewart

User avatar
gesa2
Bench Warmer
Posts: 1,262
And1: 392
Joined: Jun 21, 2007
Location: Warwick MD
       

Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 8 

Post#1301 » by gesa2 » Wed Jul 23, 2025 1:25 am

I thought the offset rule applied too. But then why would there be any sort of bidding war for these players? What’s the incentive to reduce the ability to make your new team better?
Making extreme statements like "only" sounds like there are "no" Jokics in this draft? Jokic is an engine that was drafted in the 2nd round. Always a chance to see diamond dropped by sloppy burgular after a theft.
-WizD
AFM
RealGM
Posts: 12,456
And1: 8,670
Joined: May 25, 2012
   

Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 8 

Post#1302 » by AFM » Fri Jul 25, 2025 4:13 pm

Well, we can put Nate’s Luka to DC fantasy to bed now.
dckingsfan
RealGM
Posts: 34,737
And1: 20,339
Joined: May 28, 2010

Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 8 

Post#1303 » by dckingsfan » Fri Jul 25, 2025 4:23 pm

AFM wrote:Well, we can put Nate’s Luka to DC fantasy to bed now.

It was a really nice fantasy though... I was actually pretty hopeful. :oops:
pcbothwel
Head Coach
Posts: 6,213
And1: 2,778
Joined: Jun 12, 2010
     

Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 8 

Post#1304 » by pcbothwel » Fri Jul 25, 2025 5:13 pm

I really hope we acquire assets by taking on salary next year for cost savings (TPE, CJ, Midds, etc), because Luka & and Trae are re-upping and the FA class if basically headlined by Mikal Bridges...lol
We'll be stuck paying/taking on dumb salary for almost nothing due to the cap floor.
User avatar
nate33
Forum Mod - Wizards
Forum Mod - Wizards
Posts: 70,168
And1: 22,585
Joined: Oct 28, 2002

Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 8 

Post#1305 » by nate33 » Fri Jul 25, 2025 6:08 pm

AFM wrote:Well, we can put Nate’s Luka to DC fantasy to bed now.


Can we? I haven't seen any confirmation from a credible source.
closg00
RealGM
Posts: 24,496
And1: 4,468
Joined: Nov 21, 2004

Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 8 

Post#1306 » by closg00 » Thu Jul 31, 2025 4:37 pm

I am team Kuminga all the way.
User avatar
Kanyewest
RealGM
Posts: 10,358
And1: 2,724
Joined: Jul 05, 2004

Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 8 

Post#1307 » by Kanyewest » Sun Aug 3, 2025 4:17 am

nate33 wrote:
AFM wrote:Well, we can put Nate’s Luka to DC fantasy to bed now.


Can we? I haven't seen any confirmation from a credible source.

Now I guess we can put it to rest https://www.espn.com/contributor/shams-charania/4bf8015d29f59
User avatar
nate33
Forum Mod - Wizards
Forum Mod - Wizards
Posts: 70,168
And1: 22,585
Joined: Oct 28, 2002

Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 8 

Post#1308 » by nate33 » Mon Aug 4, 2025 11:35 pm

Read on Twitter


Man, that seems real pricey to me. That's going to be a hard contract to move if San Antonio decides they'd rather roll with Harper.

I wonder if this could set the table for a trade next summer between the Wizards and San Antonio where we send out our top pick in exchange for Harper. It's too early to assess whether that's fair straight up or if one side or the other needs to throw in more, but the idea of the trade makes a ton of sense. We may be in a position where the best guys on the board when we pick are wing players, when what he need most is a PG. Meanwhile, San Antonio would be in the exact opposite position.
User avatar
gambitx777
RealGM
Posts: 10,543
And1: 1,988
Joined: Dec 18, 2012

Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 8 

Post#1309 » by gambitx777 » Tue Aug 5, 2025 5:31 am

nate33 wrote:
Read on Twitter


Man, that seems real pricey to me. That's going to be a hard contract to move if San Antonio decides they'd rather roll with Harper.

I wonder if this could set the table for a trade next summer between the Wizards and San Antonio where we send out our top pick in exchange for Harper. It's too early to assess whether that's fair straight up or if one side or the other needs to throw in more, but the idea of the trade makes a ton of sense. We may be in a position where the best guys on the board when we pick are wing players, when what he need most is a PG. Meanwhile, San Antonio would be in the exact opposite position.
Worse than beals?


Sent from my SM-S926U1 using RealGM mobile app
User avatar
nate33
Forum Mod - Wizards
Forum Mod - Wizards
Posts: 70,168
And1: 22,585
Joined: Oct 28, 2002

Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 8 

Post#1310 » by nate33 » Tue Aug 5, 2025 2:06 pm

gambitx777 wrote:
nate33 wrote:
Read on Twitter


Man, that seems real pricey to me. That's going to be a hard contract to move if San Antonio decides they'd rather roll with Harper.

I wonder if this could set the table for a trade next summer between the Wizards and San Antonio where we send out our top pick in exchange for Harper. It's too early to assess whether that's fair straight up or if one side or the other needs to throw in more, but the idea of the trade makes a ton of sense. We may be in a position where the best guys on the board when we pick are wing players, when what he need most is a PG. Meanwhile, San Antonio would be in the exact opposite position.
Worse than beals?


Sent from my SM-S926U1 using RealGM mobile app

If it had a no trade clause, it just might be. At least Beal was just one season removed from an All-NBA award, and had had 3 All-Star appearances in the previous 5 years (and it should have been 4). Beal was also second in the league in scoring just one season prior to signing his deal. Beal was 28 at the time and had been an iron man until spraining his wrist the season before signing the contract.

D'Aaron Fox is 2 years removed from his only All-NBA award, and that one year was also his only All-Star appearance. Statistically, his All-NBA season was a significant deviation from his normal career efficiency numbers and may have been a fluke. He has basically posted a .560 TS% in most years of his career except that one .599 season. Fox is 27 right now and has had a bit more injury trouble in the last 5 years than Beal did, but I wouldn't characterize him as injury prone.
User avatar
nate33
Forum Mod - Wizards
Forum Mod - Wizards
Posts: 70,168
And1: 22,585
Joined: Oct 28, 2002

Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 8 

Post#1311 » by nate33 » Tue Aug 5, 2025 2:25 pm

An interesting note about the Fox signing:

Read on Twitter


But if San Antonio trades Harper for a 2026 FRP, that would push back that contract one year so that it doesn't overlap with Fox and cause luxtax problems.

If the stars align properly and the value seems right, it might make a ton of sense for both teams to trade our lotto pick next summer for Harper
Frichuela
Lead Assistant
Posts: 5,546
And1: 3,659
Joined: Feb 25, 2015
 

Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 8 

Post#1312 » by Frichuela » Tue Aug 5, 2025 3:03 pm

nate33 wrote:An interesting note about the Fox signing:

Read on Twitter


But if San Antonio trades Harper for a 2026 FRP, that would push back that contract one year so that it doesn't overlap with Fox and cause luxtax problems.

If the stars align properly and the value seems right, it might make a ton of sense for both teams to trade our lotto pick next summer for Harper


I like this Nate. Unless we get the #1 or #2 pick and select Peterson, the appeal of say a Harper trade for the #4 pick (e.g. Ament) could be interesting. And we have another year to monitor how well Harper acclimates to the NBA.
User avatar
nate33
Forum Mod - Wizards
Forum Mod - Wizards
Posts: 70,168
And1: 22,585
Joined: Oct 28, 2002

Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 8 

Post#1313 » by nate33 » Tue Aug 5, 2025 3:20 pm

Frichuela wrote:
nate33 wrote:An interesting note about the Fox signing:

Read on Twitter


But if San Antonio trades Harper for a 2026 FRP, that would push back that contract one year so that it doesn't overlap with Fox and cause luxtax problems.

If the stars align properly and the value seems right, it might make a ton of sense for both teams to trade our lotto pick next summer for Harper


I like this Nate. Unless we get the #1 or #2 pick and select Peterson, the appeal of say a Harper trade for the #4 pick (e.g. Ament) could be interesting. And we have another year to monitor how well Harper acclimates to the NBA.

Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking. I don't think I'd trade Peterson for Harper, and maybe not Dybantsa; but if we are looking at the #3 or #4 pick, that's a trade that could make good sense for both teams.
closg00
RealGM
Posts: 24,496
And1: 4,468
Joined: Nov 21, 2004

Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 8 

Post#1314 » by closg00 » Tue Aug 5, 2025 3:24 pm

Spurs probably flip one of the two for the right vet when the time comes, they should be ready to go for a playoff push next season:
User avatar
nate33
Forum Mod - Wizards
Forum Mod - Wizards
Posts: 70,168
And1: 22,585
Joined: Oct 28, 2002

Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 8 

Post#1315 » by nate33 » Tue Aug 5, 2025 3:46 pm

closg00 wrote:Spurs probably flip one of the two for the right vet when the time comes, they should be ready to go for a playoff push next season:

I don't think they'll be flipping Fox for the right vet when Fox is being paid $62M a year.
pcbothwel
Head Coach
Posts: 6,213
And1: 2,778
Joined: Jun 12, 2010
     

Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 8 

Post#1316 » by pcbothwel » Tue Aug 5, 2025 4:09 pm

nate33 wrote:
closg00 wrote:Spurs probably flip one of the two for the right vet when the time comes, they should be ready to go for a playoff push next season:

I don't think they'll be flipping Fox for the right vet when Fox is being paid $62M a year.


Yup... They obviously should of gotten a discount and/or limited it to 3 years.
How does someone look at Beal & Jamal Murray and think giving Fox ~56M/year into his 30's is a good idea
closg00
RealGM
Posts: 24,496
And1: 4,468
Joined: Nov 21, 2004

Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 8 

Post#1317 » by closg00 » Tue Aug 5, 2025 4:24 pm

nate33 wrote:
closg00 wrote:Spurs probably flip one of the two for the right vet when the time comes, they should be ready to go for a playoff push next season:

I don't think they'll be flipping Fox for the right vet when Fox is being paid $62M a year.


I meant one of Harper or Castle will be flipped
User avatar
nate33
Forum Mod - Wizards
Forum Mod - Wizards
Posts: 70,168
And1: 22,585
Joined: Oct 28, 2002

Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 8 

Post#1318 » by nate33 » Tue Aug 5, 2025 4:28 pm

closg00 wrote:
nate33 wrote:
closg00 wrote:Spurs probably flip one of the two for the right vet when the time comes, they should be ready to go for a playoff push next season:

I don't think they'll be flipping Fox for the right vet when Fox is being paid $62M a year.


I meant one of Harper or Castle will be flipped

I doubt flipping Castle will address the problem. The problem is that both Fox and Harper are on-ball guys and neither are particularly good shooters off ball, nor are they gifted defenders. One of those two will probably have to go, and moving Fox just got very difficult.

I don't think Castle is a problem. First of all, he is big enough to slide over to SF if they go find a good off-ball shooter to play SG. Secondly, he is obviously a contributing player even if he doesn't have the ball because of his exceptional defense. (He hasn't yet proven to be a good enough shooter yet, but he is still very young.)
DCZards
RealGM
Posts: 11,137
And1: 4,986
Joined: Jul 16, 2005
Location: The Streets of DC
     

Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 8 

Post#1319 » by DCZards » Tue Aug 5, 2025 4:50 pm

I do think that closg00 is right that since the Spurs will be looking to compete sooner rather than later if they do move Harper (or Castle) it will more likely be for a proven vet on a good contract than a raw player (i.e. draft pick).
payitforward
RealGM
Posts: 24,630
And1: 9,115
Joined: May 02, 2012
Location: On the Atlantic

Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 8 

Post#1320 » by payitforward » Tue Aug 5, 2025 8:47 pm

If they can get that!

Hard to imagine Fox playing at a level to justify his contract.
(OTOH, who knows where salaries are heading....)

Return to Washington Wizards