Official Trade Thread - Part XXVII

[jivelikenice]

If Trevor's contract demands get out of hand I wonder if Ernie will revisit Deng. His name has come up in connection with the Wizards twice now in the past 12 months. Gortat would eat up our cap room but if we can do a sign and trade of Ariza for an exception, we can send that to Cleveland. As a fit he's not the 3 pt shooter that Trevor is but he gives us someone who can score in the halfcourt. My worry if the physical toll playing for Thibs has had..

[mhd]

If Trevor's contract demands get out of hand I wonder if Ernie will revisit Deng. His name has come up in connection with the Wizards twice now in the past 12 months. Gortat would eat up our cap room but if we can do a sign and trade of Ariza for an exception, we can send that to Cleveland. As a fit he's not the 3 pt shooter that Trevor is but he gives us someone who can score in the halfcourt. My worry if the physical toll playing for Thibs has had..

Why? Deng is going to get more per year than Ariza. If we don't resign aria, than its sink or swim time for porter.

[hands11]

I wonder if OKC uses Perkins' expiring as the necessary cap ballast to go after existing free agents, much the way Golden State landed Iguodala last year.

While Gortat and Ariza could certainly help them, if I was Preti I'd contemplate a serious run at Kyle Lowry. The Lowry/Russ backcourt would be brilliant. They'd still have the MLE to add a backup big and stay under the lux tax (Jordan Hill?).

Lowry in tow would give them a built-in succession plan if they ever contemplated trading Westbrook. Plus, it would allow them to trade Jackson before paying him -- which I think they should do.

Kevin Durrant would never see another shot.

Your just trying to come up with something to force KD here aren't you..

[hands11]

OKC is $8M+ under the lux tax

Perk makes $9.4M
Thabeet makes $1.2M unguaranteed

Apart from those 2, they have 9 guys under contract next year.

Fisher, Butler, and Thabo are FA's

They have a $6.5M trade exception from the Kevin Martin S&T deal.

Would they potentially want Nene AND Martell -- the latter of whom fits into that TPE?

WHat picks would they give up for both those guys? Could we get either Jackson or Lamb -- assets who could be used in a larger deal at the deadline?

It would be tight, but I think they could fill out their roster and stay under the $77M tax line.

So who is the starting PF ? Gooden ?

I don't see the Wizards giving up Nene unless it is in a deal for a legit PF vet. Nene is to good and to key to this team. Wall and Beal need him. So will Otto.

I would love to get Reggie or Lamb but that's not the way to do it. Seems some people are obsession with getting ride of Nene for bad deals to clear cap space.

[jivelikenice]

If Trevor's contract demands get out of hand I wonder if Ernie will revisit Deng. His name has come up in connection with the Wizards twice now in the past 12 months. Gortat would eat up our cap room but if we can do a sign and trade of Ariza for an exception, we can send that to Cleveland. As a fit he's not the 3 pt shooter that Trevor is but he gives us someone who can score in the halfcourt. My worry if the physical toll playing for Thibs has had..

Why? Deng is going to get more per year than Ariza. If we don't resign aria, than its sink or swim time for porter.

Maybe Ernie prefers Deng over Afiza so if we're talking about Ariza getting near $10 million he might prefer to spend that on Deng....

[nate33]

OKC is $8M+ under the lux tax

Perk makes $9.4M
Thabeet makes $1.2M unguaranteed

Apart from those 2, they have 9 guys under contract next year.

Fisher, Butler, and Thabo are FA's

They have a $6.5M trade exception from the Kevin Martin S&T deal.

Would they potentially want Nene AND Martell -- the latter of whom fits into that TPE?

WHat picks would they give up for both those guys? Could we get either Jackson or Lamb -- assets who could be used in a larger deal at the deadline?

It would be tight, but I think they could fill out their roster and stay under the $77M tax line.

So who is the starting PF ? Gooden ?

I don't see the Wizards giving up Nene unless it is in a deal for a legit PF vet. Nene is to good and to key to this team. Wall and Beal need him. So will Otto.

I would love to get Reggie or Lamb but that's not the way to do it. Seems some people are obsession with getting ride of Nene for bad deals to clear cap space.

Booker is resigned on a 1-year deal to start. Gooden is his backup. Together, they would be worse than Nene, but not dramatically so. Nene wasn't really THAT good for much of the year because he was either out or hobbled. We could offset that downgrade with improvement from Wall and Beal. Basically, the team treads water for a year while putting themselves in position for radical improvement in 2015.

[nate33]

If Trevor's contract demands get out of hand I wonder if Ernie will revisit Deng. His name has come up in connection with the Wizards twice now in the past 12 months. Gortat would eat up our cap room but if we can do a sign and trade of Ariza for an exception, we can send that to Cleveland. As a fit he's not the 3 pt shooter that Trevor is but he gives us someone who can score in the halfcourt. My worry if the physical toll playing for Thibs has had..

Why? Deng is going to get more per year than Ariza. If we don't resign aria, than its sink or swim time for porter.

Maybe Ernie prefers Deng over Afiza so if we're talking about Ariza getting near $10 million he might prefer to spend that on Deng....

I hope not. For our system with our personnel, I firmly believe that Ariza is flat out better than Deng. Ariza is a better perimeter defender (so he can switch out on guards) and he's a better 3-point shooter.

[payitforward]

Well on the topic of booker, its just to bad that hes 6'8. and not 6'10. could he have helped us against the pacers, maybe, but Wittman had a decent game plan, he does need to get better at in game adjustments. You have to realize that we just had a massive melt down in the game 6 when we could have won that game if we held it together. I don't see Booker doing anything to change that. He might have been a difference maker in the close losses but, its neither here nor there at this point.

Now who could we bring in to upgrade booker? Ryan Kelly maybe? Arinze Onuaku? some one in the draft? Ed davis?

You are going to "upgrade" Trevor Booker w/ Ryan Kelly? With Onuaku?

As for "too bed that he's... not 6'10" " -- yeah, I noticed that too. Right before the game, the referees add up the height of every player on both teams, and the taller of the two teams is awarded the win. No need to play the game at all.

[mhd]

OK, what about this deal:

Wiz trade Nene+Webster for Eric Gordon+Ryan Anderson?

Webster can play SF, and shift Evans to SG. NO went after Webster last year. Nene can defend centers alongside Davis (which he has to now as Anderson can't defend them).

Eric Gordon is a pure luxary on this team, but he'd be a damn good 6th man for 2 years, and Ryan Anderson would be a godsend as a stretch PF for us.

[payitforward]

OKC is $8M+ under the lux tax

Perk makes $9.4M
Thabeet makes $1.2M unguaranteed

Apart from those 2, they have 9 guys under contract next year.

Fisher, Butler, and Thabo are FA's

They have a $6.5M trade exception from the Kevin Martin S&T deal.

Would they potentially want Nene AND Martell -- the latter of whom fits into that TPE?

WHat picks would they give up for both those guys? Could we get either Jackson or Lamb -- assets who could be used in a larger deal at the deadline?

It would be tight, but I think they could fill out their roster and stay under the $77M tax line.

So who is the starting PF ? Gooden ?

I don't see the Wizards giving up Nene unless it is in a deal for a legit PF vet. Nene is to good and to key to this team. Wall and Beal need him. So will Otto.

I would love to get Reggie or Lamb but that's not the way to do it. Seems some people are obsession with getting ride of Nene for bad deals to clear cap space.

Booker is resigned on a 1-year deal to start. Gooden is his backup. Together, they would be worse than Nene, but not dramatically so. Nene wasn't really THAT good for much of the year because he was either out or hobbled. We could offset that downgrade with improvement from Wall and Beal. Basically, the team treads water for a year while putting themselves in position for radical improvement in 2015.

Hands -- I wish you wouldn't describe people who disagree w/ your opinion as being obsessed. Possibly they just have a different analysis from yours. Thanks.

Nene isn't "too good" -- he wasn't good at all this year. And Wall and Beal and Porter don't "need him." Why would they?

Once you *define* something as being true, you no longer have to look at the facts. Assuming the conclusion of an argument in your premises is called circular thinking. That's what you do the minute you assume what Nene's significance is beyond what he produces on the floor.

And, guess what? He produces not much at all on the floor. For one thing, he played 1500 minutes this year. After 1600 the previous year. And in the minutes he did manage to play...? He averaged 7.5 rebounds every 40 minutes. A PF. Does anyone have any idea how bad that is? Right down among the worst in the league. He also managed a .52 TS%. Does anyone have any idea how bad that is for a big? Again, it's among the worst in the league.

How about TOs? Among the worst in the league for a PF. In fact, if you take his total rebounds and subtract his total TOs, he's the worst in the league. Period. Among guys who played at least 1500 minutes.

On top of which, for this miserable on-court production (note that games are won and lost on the court, btw), Nene is paid $13m a year!

But we won't trade him -- or, rather, we won't be able to trade him! Not for anyone worth trading for and not for a shorter contract.

And if you think other GMs in the league view him the way fans like Hands do...? No.

I think Nene is a wonderful person, btw -- and once upon a time he was a terrific NBA basketball player. No more, sorry.

[Error Afflalo]

OK, what about this deal:

Wiz trade Nene+Webster for Eric Gordon+Ryan Anderson?

Webster can play SF, and shift Evans to SG. NO went after Webster last year. Nene can defend centers alongside Davis (which he has to now as Anderson can't defend them).

Eric Gordon is a pure luxary on this team, but he'd be a damn good 6th man for 2 years, and Ryan Anderson would be a godsend as a stretch PF for us.

I'd pass on any deal involving Gordon. We can't afford to pay a part-time player with chronic knee issues $30M the next two years, especially when we could use that money to upgrade the bench.

[jivelikenice]

I hope not. For our system with our personnel, I firmly believe that Ariza is flat out better than Deng. Ariza is a better perimeter defender (so he can switch out on guards) and he's a better 3-point shooter.

Disagree somewhat. We're not good enough offensively to worry about fit. We need offense out of the frontcourt, specifically someone who can get a basket w/o being dependent on JW creating a shot for them. Plus his 3 pt shooting was steady and pretty solid until the '12-'13 seasoon. I'd expect an uptick in that department if he played here (and frankly for any player playing with Wall)

[gambitx777]

Well on the topic of booker, its just to bad that hes 6'8. and not 6'10. could he have helped us against the pacers, maybe, but Wittman had a decent game plan, he does need to get better at in game adjustments. You have to realize that we just had a massive melt down in the game 6 when we could have won that game if we held it together. I don't see Booker doing anything to change that. He might have been a difference maker in the close losses but, its neither here nor there at this point.

Now who could we bring in to upgrade booker? Ryan Kelly maybe? Arinze Onuaku? some one in the draft? Ed davis?

You are going to "upgrade" Trevor Booker w/ Ryan Kelly? With Onuaku?

As for "too bed that he's... not 6'10" " -- yeah, I noticed that too. Right before the game, the referees add up the height of every player on both teams, and the taller of the two teams is awarded the win. No need to play the game at all.

That's why I presented the Question. If we can not or don't want to bring Booker back then Yeah, we would have to look at guys like Kelly, and Onuaku. maybe some one in the draft. the point is we should not settle for a washed up old guy like Brand or who ever, We should take a shot on a young guy!

and yeah that 2 inches means a lot in the nba at the PF position, would it make booker a better player, maybe maybe not, it would still mean a lot. he would get more playing time that's for sure.

[thinker07]

I don't see any way that Nene is traded for two reasons -

The Wuz love him - Ted wore his jersey in the suspension game for example and he's EG's BIG get

And nobody else would likely give up anything significant for him.

Here's why I think it will be somewhat of a lesser problem having Nene than last year.

The notion is that a newly resigned Gortat is featured more on offense with a lot of his touches reducing Nene's touches. Booker isn't better than Nene but he helps create better spacing - Nene and Gortat on the floor together tend to bog things down a bit. If Nene takes fewer shots and plays fewer minutes and plays more minutes with the second unit then he certainly has fewer to's. If Nene is kept fresher then he can have a bigger positive impact at the end of games when he can get his own shot off in the post pretty well.

Mind you I haven't seen ANYTHING credible that says the Wiz really want to bring back Booker anyway. Mike Lee hasn't said anything about it. Maybe they go after Blair again or a mystery stretch 4.

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

OK, what about this deal:

Wiz trade Nene+Webster for Eric Gordon+Ryan Anderson?

Webster can play SF, and shift Evans to SG. NO went after Webster last year. Nene can defend centers alongside Davis (which he has to now as Anderson can't defend them).

Eric Gordon is a pure luxary on this team, but he'd be a damn good 6th man for 2 years, and Ryan Anderson would be a godsend as a stretch PF for us.

I think I like it... Especially if we can add a cheap, rim protecting big like Okafor.

Having a player like Gordon who can get his own shot with the second unit would be the perfect elixir to Randy's stale, predictable offense. A stretch 4 would do wonders for our first unit's spacing.

Wall, miller, santo
Beal, Gordon
Ariza, Porter
Anderson, gooden
Gortat, okafor

... Is a well balanced squad, with pieces greater than the sum of its parts

[payitforward]

Well on the topic of booker, its just to bad that hes 6'8. and not 6'10. could he have helped us against the pacers, maybe, but Wittman had a decent game plan, he does need to get better at in game adjustments. You have to realize that we just had a massive melt down in the game 6 when we could have won that game if we held it together. I don't see Booker doing anything to change that. He might have been a difference maker in the close losses but, its neither here nor there at this point.

Now who could we bring in to upgrade booker? Ryan Kelly maybe? Arinze Onuaku? some one in the draft? Ed davis?

You are going to "upgrade" Trevor Booker w/ Ryan Kelly? With Onuaku?

As for "too bed that he's... not 6'10" " -- yeah, I noticed that too. Right before the game, the referees add up the height of every player on both teams, and the taller of the two teams is awarded the win. No need to play the game at all.

That's why I presented the Question. If we can not or don't want to bring Booker back then Yeah, we would have to look at guys like Kelly, and Onuaku. maybe some one in the draft. the point is we should not settle for a washed up old guy like Brand or who ever, We should take a shot on a young guy!

and yeah that 2 inches means a lot in the nba at the PF position, would it make booker a better player, maybe maybe not, it would still mean a lot. he would get more playing time that's for sure.

Yeah, you are right -- if Book leaves, we'll have to get someone, whether it's an upgrade or not. And I definitely agree that the team must get younger in the front court! We don't have even one young big worth talking about.

That said, Brand hasn't shown that he's "washed up." He played @20 minutes a game last year. And he was a good deal more effective than e.g. Nene -- at a fraction of the price. He's unrestricted and is unlikely to make more than @ $3m. I'd sign him in a minute. In fact, assuming he has no health issues, that's a guy I'd sign on the first day of free agency and be happy about it!

But... I'd *still* be in the market for a young 4 or 5 !!

[payitforward]

I don't see any way that Nene is traded for two reasons -

The Wuz love him - Ted wore his jersey in the suspension game for example and he's EG's BIG get

And nobody else would likely give up anything significant for him....

...haven't seen ANYTHING credible that says the Wiz really want to bring back Booker anyway. Mike Lee hasn't said anything about it. Maybe they go after Blair again or a mystery stretch 4.

You nailed it as to why we'll see Nene here next year.

Whether Booker is back might depend on what other offers he gets? As to Blair, I'd love to have him! But I can't see him stuck w/ a veteran minimum contract again next year. He may only be able to play 15-20 minutes a game because of his knees (? is this true ?), but he absolutely killed it in Dallas this year. Big time rebounder, esp. on the offensive side, shoots a high %, and fills the stat sheet elsewhere as well.

[fishercob]

OK, what about this deal:

Wiz trade Nene+Webster for Eric Gordon+Ryan Anderson?

Webster can play SF, and shift Evans to SG. NO went after Webster last year. Nene can defend centers alongside Davis (which he has to now as Anderson can't defend them).

Eric Gordon is a pure luxary on this team, but he'd be a damn good 6th man for 2 years, and Ryan Anderson would be a godsend as a stretch PF for us.

I'd pass on any deal involving Gordon. We can't afford to pay a part-time player with chronic knee issues $30M the next two years, especially when we could use that money to upgrade the bench.

6 years older than Gordon though.

[Dark Faze]

Here's a **** it, lets win now trade that might work

Nene to Houston
Asik and Motiejunas to Indiana
Hibbert to Washington

Why for Houston: They can find a cheap backup C easier than they can find a much needed two way vet. Nenes injury concerns aren't a big deal to a team that just needs him right for the playoffs. He's a guy that could have at least helped to slow down Aldridge and on the other end actually make him work defensively. His contract is up in two years so if it doesn't work out this summer they might be able to move him. They can easily throw money at a Jordan Hill or Emeka Okafor to sub for Dwight.

For for Indy: It's hard to know how much of the locker room issue was Roy, Paul, or Lance--but regardless of that it seems super clear that they won't get off the jump with that core. Asik expires a year sooner than Hibbert which allows them to chase another big start to put next to Paul in a couple of seasons, and there are things Asik likely does better than Roy--he's a tremendous rebounder and solid defensively. They wouldn't lose much and Motie might add desperately needed offense to their second unit.

Why for Wiz: Bringing Hibbert "home" and into a better locker room situation might help him to bring his second team all defensive effort up to first team. He expires the same time as Durant so the dream isn't dead if we get him. More importantly, in using Nenes contract to acquire him we put ourselves in a position to bring in Melo. Even with an ideal situation of bringing in Durant, there's no guarantee that it would be the best fit for Wall. With Hibbert at C and Carmelo at the 4, the floor spacing should be wide open for Wall to develop into the superstar we need him to be. Let Gortat walk, extend ariza and pay the tax penalties necessary to get this team over the edge.

Wall
Beal
Ariza/Porter
Melo
Hibbert

[verbal8]

Here's a **** it, lets win now trade that might work

Nene to Houston
Asik and Motiejunas to Indiana
Hibbert to Washington

Why for Houston: They can find a cheap backup C easier than they can find a much needed two way vet. Nenes injury concerns aren't a big deal to a team that just needs him right for the playoffs. He's a guy that could have at least helped to slow down Aldridge and on the other end actually make him work defensively. His contract is up in two years so if it doesn't work out this summer they might be able to move him. They can easily throw money at a Jordan Hill or Emeka Okafor to sub for Dwight.

For for Indy: It's hard to know how much of the locker room issue was Roy, Paul, or Lance--but regardless of that it seems super clear that they won't get off the jump with that core. Asik expires a year sooner than Hibbert which allows them to chase another big start to put next to Paul in a couple of seasons, and there are things Asik likely does better than Roy--he's a tremendous rebounder and solid defensively. They wouldn't lose much and Motie might add desperately needed offense to their second unit.

Why for Wiz: Bringing Hibbert "home" and into a better locker room situation might help him to bring his second team all defensive effort up to first team. He expires the same time as Durant so the dream isn't dead if we get him. More importantly, in using Nenes contract to acquire him we put ourselves in a position to bring in Melo. Even with an ideal situation of bringing in Durant, there's no guarantee that it would be the best fit for Wall. With Hibbert at C and Carmelo at the 4, the floor spacing should be wide open for Wall to develop into the superstar we need him to be. Let Gortat walk, extend ariza and pay the tax penalties necessary to get this team over the edge.

Wall
Beal
Ariza/Porter
Melo
Hibbert

You probably have to include a Lin/Webster swap to get Houston interested. That wouldn't be a deal breaker for me. It would be interesting to see if Indy was interested in going that direction.