Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVI

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Phoenix has Ariza but really they are high on Josh Jackson and TJ Warren. Mikal Bridges is a good player at the SF position. As good as Barrett projects to be, I doubt at his age he beats out up and coming players not much older than he is.

I don't think Phoenix is on the same timeline for peaking as a player like Wall could be considered at his peak.

Ariza is getting older and on a one-year deal. Jackson and Warren aren't guys who define who you do and don't draft. Jackson is basically Justise Winslow/MKG without the defense right now - he has some upside but really needs to work on his game and his jumper if he wants to do much of anything in the NBA. Warren needs to maintain his current hot streak for a while longer before I'm convinced he can actually shoot. Barrett wouldn't have a hard time beating out Warren and Jackson at the forward spots. Ayton has already done just that and Bridges looks poised to do the same as a rookie.

Bridges is awesome but I also expect he's going to be more of a PF as his career progresses while (Ayton is clearly going to be a C). He wouldn't have any issues playing with Barrett. And while a lot can happen, I expect Barrett is also going to be a better player than Bridges.

Dirt, this is better than what I got right now! Outstanding...I just no longer am on top of the new crop in upcoming drafts.

Mikal Bridges is a Jimmy Butler waiting to happen.

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

There were 3 guys in the drqft I would have traded Wall for last year. Luka Doncic, Jaren Jackson Jr & Trae Young. This year, there's one guy I'd absolutely trade Wall for in a heartbeat or anyone on our roster. Zion Williamson. I'm still drawing conclusions on others but R.J. Barrett looks pretty good as well.

Dat, I would have also included Mo Bamba in that group. Knowing what I know now Shai Gilgeous Alexander would DEFINITELY be a JOHN WALL COULD GO in my book.

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[queridiculo]

Leonsis believes Grunfeld is a good GM, he's got faith in former coach of the year Brooks, and he also believes that John Wall is a supermax player.

Leonsis lives in an alternate reality, until that changes, nothing changes.

I'm sure the 5 game road-trip is going to be one of Leonsis go to's, but let's also keep in mind why Washington consistently ends up with these **** schedules to begin with.

Occupancy of his **** arena. Caps games (understandably at least) and whatever else is more important than Wizards games.

10/23 - International Horse Show - Day 1
10/24 - International Horse Show - Evening 1, Day 2
10/25 - International Horse Show - Evening 2, Day 3
10/26 - International Horse Show - Evening 3, Day 4
10/27 - International Horse Show - Evening 4, Day 5
10/28 - International Horse Show - Evening 5, Day 6
11/1 - Twenty one Pilots

[GatorbaitDD]

How do you guys feel about:

Orlando out: Isaac, Vuc, and Fournier
Washington out: Beal, Mahimi

Orlando in: Beal, Mahimi
Washington in: Isaac, Vuc, and Fournier

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yaqpev6b

[queridiculo]

How do you guys feel about:

Orlando out: Isaac, Vuc, and Fournier
Washington out: Beal, Mahimi

Orlando in: Beal, Mahimi
Washington in: Isaac, Vuc, and Fournier

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yaqpev6b

I feel about it about the same way I feel about Grunfeld.

[Shanghai Kid]

How do we feel about Ottos trade value?

[trast66]

Leonsis believes Grunfeld is a good GM, he's got faith in former coach of the year Brooks, and he also believes that John Wall is a supermax player.

Leonsis lives in an alternate reality, until that changes, nothing changes.

I'm sure the 5 game road-trip is going to be one of Leonsis go to's, but let's also keep in mind why Washington consistently ends up with these **** schedules to begin with.

Occupancy of his **** arena. Caps games (understandably at least) and whatever else is more important than Wizards games.

10/23 - International Horse Show - Day 1
10/24 - International Horse Show - Evening 1, Day 2
10/25 - International Horse Show - Evening 2, Day 3
10/26 - International Horse Show - Evening 3, Day 4
10/27 - International Horse Show - Evening 4, Day 5
10/28 - International Horse Show - Evening 5, Day 6
11/1 - Twenty one Pilots

Man that horse show is a fantastic event. Seriously, great to have that in DC. About 10 years ago I was just shooting the $@!* with Bruce Springsteen, just standing there by himself (his daughter Jessica was competing) talking horses and daughters. 21 Pilots pretty cool. I can't get on Ted for the building being used, helps the economy. Abe Pollin for all his faults did revitalize that section of DC. Spurs always go on an insane road trip when the rodeo comes to SA.

[Dat2U]

How do we feel about Ottos trade value?

It's taking a slight hit but I think he's very movable.

I actually think they are all movable. Even Wall. There aren't alot of players capable of putting up 26 & 11 in the playoffs. I think multiple teams would bite on his contract. Phoenix or Orlando seem like teams that would kill for a legit PG.

I think the way to Zion is through Beal tho.

[trast66]

How do we feel about Ottos trade value?

I think Butler has to be resolved first before we know. If Houston misses out on Butler and they continue to struggle I can see them in on Otto. They really have nothing of value to offer. I don't know who else would have anything we want unless we roll dice on Butler himself.

I don't see any scenario where we get back fair value for anyone on our roster.

Our only hope is that LeBron summons Wall to the Lakers.

[pcbothwel]

I don't see any scenario where we get back fair value for anyone on our roster.

Disagree. I think Beal brings back a haul still. His 3 ball is not quite there, but he continues to improve his scoring from everywhere else as well as his playmaking ability. Combined with his improved defense and 2 years of Great Health... His value is as high as ever

[Dat2U]

How do we feel about Ottos trade value?

I think Butler has to be resolved first before we know. If Houston misses out on Butler and they continue to struggle I can see them in on Otto. They really have nothing of value to offer. I don't know who else would have anything we want unless we roll dice on Butler himself.

I don't see any scenario where we get back fair value for anyone on our roster.

Our only hope is that LeBron summons Wall to the Lakers.

Beal has a ton of value. I wouldn't deal him unless I felt I was getting a blue chip prospect in return.

I think more than likely Beal stays no matter what. I think we'll need to at least move either Porter or Wall.

A number of teams love Otto's game. Depending on the quality of the contract we'd take back I think Otto could be dealt for a mid-to-late lottery.

Wall's value is probably most questionable due to the extension so he's the one we are not likely to get full value for.

[nate33]

I think the way to Zion is through Beal tho.

I don't see any way we can trade for an unprotected high pick to get Zion, even if Beal is part of the package.

The path to Zion is to tank and draft him with our own pick. The path to tanking is to trade Wall.

[nate33]

John Wall straight up to Phoenix for Ryan Anderson (2 years, $35M left on his contract) and their unprotected 1st?

Wall would be a great fit in Phoenix. They have the personnel to play up-tempo and a veteran, pass-first PG would be just the player they need to help develop and maximize Booker, Jackson and Ayton. They have the luxtax room to absorb Wall's extension.

We'd tank and end up with hopefully two high lotto picks while alleviating any luxtax woes. We'd have one more year with Mahinmi and Anderson's contracts weighing us down, but in 2020, the contract situation would look real good with only Beal and Porter (and Oubre and Sato) plus those 2 lotto picks. 2020 is when the gambling money kicks in and boosts the cap room.

That is my dream. Trade Wall for Ryan Anderson and a pick. Fire Grunfeld. Keep Brooks as tank commander for the rest of the season while finding a new GM. (Gotta be realistic. He is being paid $7M a year. They're not firing him yet.) Have the new GM handle the draft and hire a new coach for 2019-20.

[dckingsfan]

I think the way to Zion is through Beal tho.

I don't see any way we can trade for an unprotected high pick to get Zion, even if Beal is part of the package.

The path to Zion is to tank and draft him with our own pick. The path to tanking is to trade Wall.

This - at this point, I would trade Wall, Oubre and Sato (and try to package Mahimni in there somewhere).

With Beal and Porter, I think the rebuild would be a bit quicker.

[Jamaaliver]

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[trast66]

Why would anyone want Wall with that contract. No one except slight chance of Lakers. He has negative value with that contract.

Beal is a great contract, Otto’s OK. Unless we think Otto an injury risk, not smart to trade. We will not get back anything near Beal or Otto worth.

That’s why you fire the coach and GM, you can’t trade the players. The new front office can evaluate whether to resign Kelly and Sato. And to stretch Ian or not.

[payitforward]

John Wall straight up to Phoenix for Ryan Anderson (2 years, $35M left on his contract) and their unprotected 1st?

Wall would be a great fit in Phoenix. They have the personnel to play up-tempo and a veteran, pass-first PG would be just the player they need to help develop and maximize Booker, Jackson and Ayton. They have the luxtax room to absorb Wall's extension.

We'd tank and end up with hopefully two high lotto picks while alleviating any luxtax woes. We'd have one more year with Mahinmi and Anderson's contracts weighing us down, but in 2020, the contract situation would look real good with only Beal and Porter (and Oubre and Sato) plus those 2 lotto picks. 2020 is when the gambling money kicks in and boosts the cap room.

That is my dream. Trade Wall for Ryan Anderson and a pick. Fire Grunfeld. Keep Brooks as tank commander for the rest of the season while finding a new GM. (Gotta be realistic. He is being paid $7M a year. They're not firing him yet.) Have the new GM handle the draft and hire a new coach for 2019-20.

Sounds good to me. Actually... better than good.

[payitforward]

Why would anyone want Wall with that contract. No one except slight chance of Lakers. He has negative value with that contract.

Beal is a great contract, Otto’s OK. Unless we think Otto an injury risk, not smart to trade. We will not get back anything near Beal or Otto worth.

That’s why you fire the coach and GM, you can’t trade the players. The new front office can evaluate whether to resign Kelly and Sato. And to stretch Ian or not.

They won't fire the coach right now. As to Ernie, he should have been gone a long long time ago, obviously -- & that is the problem. It's hard to know what would be enough to get Ted to fire Ernie.

Which, in the end, means one thing: the problem is Ted Leonsis. He has no idea whatever of what he's doing. Worst is that he managed to win a Stanley Cup, so he looks better than ever in the mirror.

[nate33]

Why would anyone want Wall with that contract. No one except slight chance of Lakers. He has negative value with that contract.

Understand that in my Wall for Ryan Anderson trade, Phoenix would be shedding Anderson's dead weight contract. They will ultimately pay Wall $187M over 5 years, but they'll be saving Ryan Anderson's $35M. So Wall will effectively cost $150M over 5 years, which is $30M a year. That's an affordable deal, roughly what guys like Beal, Jokic, McCollum are paid, and well less than what guys like Griffin, Westbrook, Hayward and George are paid. And it'll seem even cheaper a few years down the road after more players have signed new deals after the gambling money comes in.

[Dark Faze]

John Wall straight up to Phoenix for Ryan Anderson (2 years, $35M left on his contract) and their unprotected 1st?

Wall would be a great fit in Phoenix. They have the personnel to play up-tempo and a veteran, pass-first PG would be just the player they need to help develop and maximize Booker, Jackson and Ayton. They have the luxtax room to absorb Wall's extension.

We'd tank and end up with hopefully two high lotto picks while alleviating any luxtax woes. We'd have one more year with Mahinmi and Anderson's contracts weighing us down, but in 2020, the contract situation would look real good with only Beal and Porter (and Oubre and Sato) plus those 2 lotto picks. 2020 is when the gambling money kicks in and boosts the cap room.

That is my dream. Trade Wall for Ryan Anderson and a pick. Fire Grunfeld. Keep Brooks as tank commander for the rest of the season while finding a new GM. (Gotta be realistic. He is being paid $7M a year. They're not firing him yet.) Have the new GM handle the draft and hire a new coach for 2019-20.

I'll take it without any protection on the pick.