Political Roundtable Part XXII

[stilldropin20]

I'm curious GhostofChenier. You've gone from spaztic incoherent invalid (Why youzzz old guys talkin politics) to somewhat mildly decent posts. Did they swap out the other guy or did your handlers tell you to change approach?

I am sarorwnaky fan, so wizard fan. I just wanted to grief/troll.

But after meme I do not understans why rich American hate so much and so rude to each other’s.

Chats here suprissed me. Poor office worker seem hate poor farm worker no logic lolz and both poor. This is propaganda divide conquer.

Also much here in one area smart become ilooogic and cruel here like media puppet. Stupid.

you are exactly correct!!

America!!! land where the rich of bought up the media and convinced the poor to duke it out over the chitlins and gizzards and ham hock and jowels while the rich eat the whole damn cow and pig and convince the poor who are merely eating the chitlins and gizzards and pork bellies that they should become vegetarians because they (the poor) are harming the environment!!

And if any party has the high moral ground it is certainly not the democrats...but there they are...the party of selctive outrage. They try to win election almost solely based on character assassinations of the opposite party because they have no message and terrible leadership.

And they've never seen anything like trump. Trump is prime mike tyson and the libs are leon spinks. He's got them rattled!!! They cant figure how to even get in the ring with this guy let alone lay a glove on him. And he just lands relentless hooks and crosses. They cant figure him out. Because their politics of lies dont work on him and therefore the american people. And frankly, the american people are tired of shipping our jobs overseas. We are tired of policing the world with no compensation. We are tired of enriching outher countries while our debt piles up. Sick and tired of it. trump recognized that and is lining up all of the ducks to address it all. This is a multi decade job....but trump is lining up the ducks to address it all. Trump love America. Over time he is going down as GOAT president. Watch and see. I called it 2 years ago. I meant it then and it is all coming around. The boomerang is slowly coming back around. Genius! The man is a damn genius!

[GhostofChenier]

Polish, Belarus and other proud nation also like Trump.

For 100 year Russia steals our identity, we then return and now eu wishes to steal again. Now we are propaganda battle for eu and Russia.

Be wise and protect your nation identity, it is more than just border it is identity and abiiity to govern self. I would fight before Brussels tells me what to do when they sit rich and make middle class and poor fight to each other for IPcC.

You fight here for stupid reason. You are poor, all of you compare to controllers. Debt of thousand for bad brainwash educators think they wiser than farmer. We learn long ago equal. Different education but equal value. Balance is key.

You hate balance here want full controller. Why? Balance is key to all life and group success

[stilldropin20]

hint as to why Russia's worse: it required FBI investigations, senate investigations, and internal investigations by FB to determine what the problem was, and who was behind the problem, and there are still thousands of Americans that don't believe it.

counterarument to why China's is not worse: it's transparent, reactionary, and some would say "foreseeable, and even expected consequences to the deliberate act of engaging in a trade war with China."

like, yeah it sucks to have tariffs on American goods but it's also reaping what you sow in picking a trade war with China. you can't stop China from voicing their opinion.

truthfully, and fully spelled out (because apparently it needs to be), election meddling is sinister because it sows distrust and deceit. people can't voting rationally when they're being fed propaganda and lies. they can't make informed decisions because they can't be informed. there are people believing that Hilary ran a pedophilic sex ring in an Cleveland Park pizzaria, to the point that someone brought a rifle to the store. with mass misinformation, the premise of democracy breaks down.

when China, or special interest groups, or whoever voices their opinion and endorses someone with full transparency, that's legitimate information, and is information a voter can use to make their own informed decision. a red vote for someone that continues to enable Trump to antagonize other nations, and resist globalism will result in negative actions from other nations, as with China.

after trump wins this trade war, and he is going to win. I wont be surprised if goods and services specifically from red and purple states are more protected from chinese import tariffs than goods and services from blue states.

And we shall see what song you sing then.

i'm not sure what song you think i'm singing now, other than trying to tell you why you're wrong - in this instance your knee-jerk reaction to bray out "ELECTION MEDDLING!" due to identity politics.

hey chicken littles! remember when we were going to war with north korea and it was all trump's fault (eventhough It was american weakness prior to trump that emboldened North korea)? Good times!

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of...you were asking about china meddling. here first put this in your pipe and smoke it.

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[pancakes3]

you're conflating the collusion with meddling, because you're dumb.

[stilldropin20]

you're conflating the collusion with meddling, because you're dumb.

here this is a really simple concept.

let's pretend that i am putin. and i want to help trump win. And let's pretend that russia produces 2 things that the united states consumes. steel toe boots and yoga mats. The USA can only get these products from russia. and I invoke a 1500% surcharge on yoga mats. the $8 yoga mats now cost $160.00 and we lower the cost of steel toe shoes in half. So farmers, construction workers, cops, fireman and other factory workers can now buy boots for $25 that used to coast $50-100.00

If i'm putin and i did that after i made a trade deal with trump would i be harming 1 political party over another? Ya think? Is that meddling? Is that collusion? Am i not targeting the base of one political party over another?? hurting one base and helping another??

conversely, if i am mad at trump. and dont want him to win. and I'm chairman Xi of china, and i place tariffs on all products out of wisonsin, michigan, ohio and pennsylvania, to harm those economies. To lower productions and kill off jobs and pressure corps of those goods to lay off workers and pay lower wages...am i meddling in the election? Am i colluding with the opposition party to oust trump???

Am I? I mean come on! Be consistent here! the left told us for 2 years how trump was putin's puppet and going to give sweetheart trade deal to russia in exchange for personal help (getting elected or cash n financing directly to trump himself. You guys told us that was both meddling in our elections and collusion!!!

so Now..as it turns out...china is trying to hurt trump politcallly by hurting his base where it counts. their pocket books. which also means by hurting trump, china is helping whoever runs against trump!! Is China now colluding with the DNC and whoever runs against trump...to get better trade deals for china!!!?? <--that is really simple logic to follow. no rocket science here. and I'm not conflating nor confusing anything. You are!!

SO is china meddling??? Still no you say !!!??? Seriously?? how can we take you serious? You are either too stupid to see what is happening here or playing stupid to convince other stupid people to believe your stupid lack of explanation. any person with a brain cell sees all of these political movements as one in the same: meddling!!

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[verbal8]

China has specifically targeted red state exports for tariffs. There has never ever been any more harsh and specific meddling in our elections than targeted red state tariffs.

Do you understand English? It doesn't seem like you do. You clearly don't understand what meddling in our elections means. Either that or you're being deliberately obtuse. Either way, you're wasting my time and everyone else's time here.

Maybe we need to try Russian?

[verbal8]

I am glad that Brett Kavanaugh has finally put everybody's concerns to rest by releasing his calendar.

Go ahead and convince yourself, there's no mention of heavy drinking and groping anywhere.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/09/26/kavanaughs-calendar-annotated

Such a choir boy. Hard to see how this and his Fox interview are at all consistent.

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This does not seem like a good idea. Maybe have her campaign with Warren in MA.

[montestewart]

i just splooged in my pants. twice.

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I'd like to make a deal too, AFM. How about fewer details about your rich and active sex life?

Well, at least you're not spreading any STDs

[GhostofChenier]

China has specifically targeted red state exports for tariffs. There has never ever been any more harsh and specific meddling in our elections than targeted red state tariffs.

Do you understand English? It doesn't seem like you do. You clearly don't understand what meddling in our elections means. Either that or you're being deliberately obtuse. Either way, you're wasting my time and everyone else's time here.

Maybe we need to try Russian?

I thought this wa joke when first arrive. Now it not clear....”lolz?

[Pointgod]

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Somewhere TGW's head just exploded.

[Wizardspride]

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[TGW]

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This woman's ego is as bad as Trump's.

Whatever...Gillum is a fraud anyway. He got elected using the progressive platform, and is now turning into your typical milquetoast phony Democrat in literally a matter of weeks. Taking selfies with conman Corey Booker, and now getting backed by the establishment.

What a phony that guys is. I think it was Jamalliver who warned me...I didn't want to listen but you were spot on dude. If Desantis wasn't such an idiot with no platform except being a Trump jocksniffer, he'd beat Gillum.

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Somewhere TGW's head just exploded.

Lol....but yeah. Eww. Can't she just retire peacefully

[TGW]

Unbelievable truth and courage by this Columbia professor on Morning Joe regarding Syria. MSNBC usually silences people like this guy, so it was surprising to see this.

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[Jamaaliver]

I thought Trump defenders stated it was okay for Russia to interfere in our elections to help Trump...

Suddenly it's frowned upon when he isn't the beneficiary?

China hits back at Trump's claim of election meddling, calling 'Blame China' a GOP campaign strategy

After President Donald Trump publicly accused Beijing of interfering with the upcoming midterm elections at a U.N. Security Council meeting on Wednesday, Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi, who was at the meeting, lashed back.

Trump had told the meeting, "China has been attempting to interfere in our upcoming 2018 election, coming up in November, against my administration."

"They do not want me, or us, to win," Trump told the Security Council, "because I am the first president ever to challenge China on trade, and we are winning on trade."

The U.S. and China are embroiled in an escalating trade war, with $200 billion worth of U.S. tariffs on Chinese goods and $60 billion worth of Chinese tariffs on U.S. goods going into effect just this week.

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[dckingsfan]

Whatever...Gillum is a fraud anyway. He got elected using the progressive platform, and is now turning into your typical milquetoast phony Democrat in literally a matter of weeks. Taking selfies with conman Corey Booker, and now getting backed by the establishment.

What a phony that guys is. I think it was Jamalliver who warned me...I didn't want to listen but you were spot on dude. If Desantis wasn't such an idiot with no platform except being a Trump jocksniffer, he'd beat Gillum.

Which particular issue(s) do you disagree with Gillum? Which progressive platform issues did he adopt and later drop?