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Loyalty and consistency are admirable qualities to have CCJ. Even if I disagree with you about DQ.Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Queen is the best pick for this team.AFM wrote:Trade back, take queen, sell shares to Melo, go full BALTIMORE CHARM CITY MODE
Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Queen is the best pick for this team.AFM wrote:Trade back, take queen, sell shares to Melo, go full BALTIMORE CHARM CITY MODE
SUPERBALLMAN wrote:doclinkin wrote:SUPERBALLMAN wrote:Thomas Sorber has declared for the draft. Basically if we draft anyone other than Maluach with the top pick, he absolutely becomes a target for this team with our 2nd pick.
This team NEEDS interior muscle. We NEED rebounding. We need someone who can set screens and pass out of the high post. Sorber checks all of these boxes.
For the people who don’t want to use a top 5 pick on a Center, this is an alternative solution picking in the 20-23 range. As far as what this team looks for… young (19), long, good defensively, coachable, high IQ, passing & vision. And every Georgetown game I watched this year at some point the announcer would chime in something to the effect of: As good of a player as Sorber is, he’s an even better person…. Something I’ve heard Dawkins offer up several times as a key component of their player evaluations.
Sorber would be a perfect tone setter with his strength inside, boxing out, craftiness down low, controlling the boards, allowing Sarr to freelance and weak side rim protect.
Agreed on the concept. I want a big switchable 4/5 who defends the interior and rebounds well. I've got a handful of guys I'd like in that spot. But Sorber is near the top.
https://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=rasheer-fleming--yaxel-lendeborg--collin-murray-boyles--thomas-sorber
Sorber.
Agreed he is likely the player the FO would target at this spot. Youth and upside being the key reason. Solid as they come. Smart. His jumper looks functional though he has no range or confidence in it right now. He's the best of this bunch already in blocks steals etc. His freshman stats are better than CMB which says a lot. Question marks? At times his lateral footspeed looks a tad slow, at least when it comes to defending in space. Functional for a 4/5 but I can see teams hoping to switch a quicker forward onto him if they can draw him outside the paint. That said his assist rate forecasts solid defense and he already plays like a veteran, he'll only get smarter with reps. I like him in that 23 range, though I think he goes higher. He has hidden athleticism he didn't really have to display this year. Room to get much stronger.
Fleming.
Tankathon has Fleming one pick ahead of Sorber. But if Sorber is healthy enough to work out with teams or at the combine athletic testing I think he shows out and climbs the draft chart. Either way, I'm happy with whichever falls to our pick if that's how it plays out. Rasheer is an older player than the others in this bunch (though only 5 months older than the freshman Derik Queen). However he's still developing swiftly. He has the exact profile I like to see in NCAA prospects: his key stats get solidly better every year. When a player's FT % takes a jump you know you have a gym rat. He's up to the mid 70% now. Better still Fleming's 3pt shooting climbed to 40% this year on solid volume. The key with him is the purported 7'5" wingspan. With that reach and stretch he should be able to defend 5's at times. The number is credible when you see him dunk. Doesn't really have to jump much to dunk it. His fingertips are up by the iron already. Often the long armed types have a slow wind up and extra motion on their jumper. He's got some of that, but the shot is repeatable and reliable this year. Adding that sort of range gives him extra utility on a team that prizes versatility, and needs shooters.
CMB.
The activity on defense is what jumps out to me. Smart as hell, tough but undersized. I think he is a candidate for a surprising fall. What he does well won't show up in workouts and he will underwhelm in combine measurements. However, what he does well shows up in games. The in game smarts are top level with this kid. The team that gets him is going to have a coaches favorite and a defensive captain. He reads to me as a 12 year journeyman, the sort of glue guy who has a role on any team but sometimes gets overlooked due to his unconventional frame and play style. On this team though he instantly adds a competitive fire on defense and reliable rebounding. Low center of gravity rebounders do translate in the NBA, even if he will have to adjust to make his game work. If he falls to our pick in the 20's you have to think about it.
Yaxel.
The old man of this bunch at 23, but a late late bloomer transferring out of JuCo. The guy plays with such joy that he is hard to ignore. Tracking his progress in the NIT he destroyed Fleming's team, then followed that with a 7 assist game. He's projected to go 2nd round but absolutely has 1st round talent. This is another player who is growing as you watch, improving his efficiency while his usage increases. Some team falls in love with him in workouts. I see him as this year's Tari Eason type, where you smack your head later for passing him up.
Honestly I wish I could pick any two of this bunch, it's hard to choose.
I agree with these players as prospects for our 2nd pick, and I do especially like Fleming, but IMO we should also strongly consider Danny Wolf. At PF as a 7 footer with guard like skills and playmaking, with his ability to rebound and set picks, he could be a perfect fit. At Michigan he developed a great 2 man game with center Golden, where he had a knack for drawing the defense and finding Golden for the open shot, and I would anticipate he could do the same here with Sarr. And he can play center when you want to run a small ball lineup or for added depth.
At Michigan he showed he can play in fast paced system, and even run point. Here he wouldn't play PG, which should cut down his TOs, but he'd be used in the high post, utilizing his ability to set picks and pass. His ability to box out, rebound, handle the ball and initiate the break would be an asset. He can score inside and out, and can play run and gun or slow and grind,
I'd give Sorber the advantage in terms of what this front office tends to look for as far as youth, length, superior defense, high character, work ethic, he checks the boxes. But Wolf has good positional size, high motor, and would offer more diversity offensively and 3pt shooting.
https://tankathon.com/players/compare?players=thomas-sorber--danny-wolf
BearlyBallin wrote:Dang it Memphis is in 8th place in the West. I don’t think they can fall any farther down but they better win a game in the Play-In. I want Sorber or Fleming with that Memphis pick.
dckingsfan wrote:BearlyBallin wrote:Dang it Memphis is in 8th place in the West. I don’t think they can fall any farther down but they better win a game in the Play-In. I want Sorber or Fleming with that Memphis pick.
Yep, L4 in a row. 2-8 over their last 10.
They will be in the play-in and then we need some luck that they win into the regular playoffs. If not, they would likely be the 13th or 14th pick
That would leave us with our FRP and one SRP. Sigh.
tontoz wrote:dckingsfan wrote:BearlyBallin wrote:Dang it Memphis is in 8th place in the West. I don’t think they can fall any farther down but they better win a game in the Play-In. I want Sorber or Fleming with that Memphis pick.
Yep, L4 in a row. 2-8 over their last 10.
They will be in the play-in and then we need some luck that they win into the regular playoffs. If not, they would likely be the 13th or 14th pick
That would leave us with our FRP and one SRP. Sigh.
The good news is that seeds 9-11 are the Kings/Mavs/Suns. I would think Memphis would be a clear favorite against them. It would be pretty cool if they lose the first play in game but win the 2nd. Maybe we can get lucky for a change.
Of course we will all be like
Some random troll wrote:Not to sound negative, but this team is owned by an arrogant cheapskate, managed by a moron and coached by an idiot. Recipe for disaster.
TGW wrote:Does that have an affect on the pick?
TGW wrote:tontoz wrote:dckingsfan wrote:Yep, L4 in a row. 2-8 over their last 10.
They will be in the play-in and then we need some luck that they win into the regular playoffs. If not, they would likely be the 13th or 14th pick
That would leave us with our FRP and one SRP. Sigh.
The good news is that seeds 9-11 are the Kings/Mavs/Suns. I would think Memphis would be a clear favorite against them. It would be pretty cool if they lose the first play in game but win the 2nd. Maybe we can get lucky for a change.
Of course we will all be like
Does that have an affect on the pick?
Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:What happens to AJJ, George, Kispert, and Coulibaly if Harper is the pick?Dat2U wrote:Dark Faze wrote:Do we think there’s any chance this FO would go with Bailey over Harper for fit reasons given what they gave up to land Bub?
I don’t think it’s that big of a deal to have Harper and Bub. But it would be a competition because I don’t think either are two guards and likely wouldn’t be a good fit on the court together.
Oh no. Dylan is a 6-6 shot creator and big time slasher & finisher. You grab him if your lucky enough to have the chance to.
He's also versatile enough to play on or off the ball. While not being an elite defender, he is theoretically is quick enough to guard 1s and strong enough to guard 2s.
I think in time he could play with either Poole or Carrington or Smart and be fine.
SUPERBALLMAN wrote:I agree with these players as prospects for our 2nd pick, and I do especially like Fleming, but IMO we should also strongly consider Danny Wolf.
doclinkin wrote:SUPERBALLMAN wrote:I agree with these players as prospects for our 2nd pick, and I do especially like Fleming, but IMO we should also strongly consider Danny Wolf.
Yeah I saw Danny Wolf pop out in a stat search when he was at Yale. I have question marks about his defense but only since I want a guy who can bully players on the interior, intimidate and deter penetration. We have smart sweet passing players at various positions but I'm looking for a bit more 'rugged' than 'sweet'.
Honestly I think I'd rather have Yaxel than Danny Wolf. Even if he's older, there's a next level of athleticism on that guy that I think is not fully tapped out yet. He's been getting stronger and better as he grows in the game. Here seen putting up 16 pts 17 boards 3 assts 3 steals 2 blocks (7 TO's though) in a win over Rasheer Fleming and St Joe's in the NIT.
Then against Santa Clara he fixes the TO problem and puts up 22/11r/7ast/2b/3s with zero turnovers:
Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Benjammin, I'm like the captain of the Titanic, only I alternate watch with AFM on the Wiz Board, S.S. DQ.
I don't think anyone else agrees with me, either, FWIW.
tontoz wrote:TGW wrote:Does that have an affect on the pick?
Based on what i have read on here the pick is top 14 protected so if Memphis loses both play in games we don't get the pick.
doclinkin wrote:The real question for me is what to do at 6, given that the strongest chance is that we fall there. We are not passing Utah again in the tankstakes. Hopefully the basketball gods reward us for trying, but whatever man. We the Wiz.
I predict:
1. Coop.
2. Harp.
3. Ace.
4. Edge.
5. Maluach. I know the mocks have him lower but I think GMs are just playing it close to the vest. I would not be surprised to see him gone at 3.
At 6 is where the real question marks begin. You can't really make an inarguable case for anybody at that point. All have flaws and shortcomings. I can see the front office taking Asa Newell on upside and length. I'm aware of guys like Tre and Fears who are capable and willing scorers. The DDQ crowd is loud and proud and if you are able to bank on him not being lazy in his conditioning then he probably has higher upside than most in the draft after him.
Personally I wonder if I go with CMB at that spot. Yes he has a knock against him that you can't improve: he is short for his position. But he has the sort of game intensity where he will absolutely max out his talent over his career, as long as his health allows. He just gives max effort on both ends all game long and it shows up in his +/- stats. I think he is a player that has a solid chance to be marked as one of the tops in this draft class by the end of his career.
Yeah I don't like he's a non shooter. Though given that we have (inefficient) gunners at all positions we benefit most by having a mobile rebounder on the blocks. Yeah he is not a rim protector. But his mobility on offense suggests he'll make up the difference by deterring penetration via positioning and deflected passes. My chief knock on him is that he would instantly raise our floor by winning the rebounding battle night in and night out, but his absolute upside might be too low to carry us alone. So instead he'd endanger our top 8 pick and deny us a chance at a real star in the next lottery.
Still. Kid has a star quality to how he plays the game. Especially on defense. A Draymond, Lu Dort sort of thing where he will be the best defender on the floor at any position. And unknown if he can improve on his strength and athleticism as well. He moves so well on defense that if he can sculpt his mass to muscle maybe there is hidden upside there as well. I dunno.
THEN we add Sorber/Fleming/Yaxel lower down. Whichever is available at the Grizz pick. (I think Sorber goes earlier, but one of the group should fall). Suddenly we have monsters all over the front court. As a plus side, being stocked up front we can massage losses out of the group by juggling the playing time to ensure we get developmental minutes for all. Whichever one is playing too well gets benched to give a tryout to the other mug. That crew is definitely not 'sweet':
Poole/Bub
Bub/Key
Bilal/Key/CMB
CMB/Yaxel
Sarr/Vuk
Draft a guard in 26, ship Poole for value. Seems a good core to add Alijah Arenas, Dash Daniels, Isiah Harwin, or Darryn Peterson if we're finally lucky. THAT would be sweet.