Chicken Littles: Sky done fell! Draft Thread 2011

pcbothwel · Post #1341 » by **pcbothwel** » Tue Mar 22, 2011 8:29 pm

I agree with you Faze on Williams, Kanter, and P.Jones.
Jones just gives me the Blatche/Java vibe and we cant handle that. Kanter will go through 2 of the most important development years of his life without highly competitive basketball.

I wonder how Williams would do with Booker. I could see their versatility and athleticism really bothering a lot of teams.

BTW, I saw someone on here earlier mention Buford as a possible sleeper wing in the 2nd round, But I have to ask, what does he do better than David Lighty. Lighty is bigger, stronger, more athletic, better B-Ball IQ, a great defender with good quickness and GREAT fundementals.

I really think that Lighty and Jeff Taylor are gonna be glue guys that win a few rings between the two of them. Am I the only one that thinks both of these guys are steals in the 2nd?

tontoz · Post #1342 » by **tontoz** » Tue Mar 22, 2011 8:31 pm

theboomking wrote:Dark Faze, I can't for the life of me figure out what exactly it was about the Arizona v Texas game that has you so enamoured with Williams. Williams shot 4-14, 0-3 from 3 point range, turned the ball over 4 times, and generally looked uncomfortable in the post for much of the game, to the degree that I wasn't the only one thinking it, but the commentators brought it up repeatedly. Williams had 9 rebounds, but 3 of them were offensive rebounds he got on one series in the 4th, where he kept missing the inside shot because he was bothered by the defenders around him. Granted, he had enough length and good enough position to get the rebound, but with each of those rebounds there was a missed shot from point blank range. Minus that series, he had 6 rebounds.

I'm not saying I dislike him, I'm just saying that your opinion of him is way too high for a one game evaluation, especially that game. We'll see soon enough if scouts share your view, or my view of Williams, but unless noone declares, I doubt that we'll see Williams go top 3, and he may well not be top 5.

The way he runs the floor in transition bothers me. It's like he is thinking i will get there when i get there. I didn't see any hustle at all and that is a problem for me, especially considering the importance of the game.

Halcyon · Post #1343 » by **Halcyon** » Tue Mar 22, 2011 8:43 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Awesome, NBTW! My young sons will enjoy that a lot. "Teach me how to Jimmer!"

"Top Comments
This definitely violated BYU's honor code in one way or another" YouTube, protagonist765

Ron Boone: "White guys don't know how to Jimmer"

From the vid: "Even Chuck Norris has a Jimmer poster"

My favorite part was the guy trying to impress a girl with a Jimmer mask on his face, and she goes "You're not Jimmer!"

FWIW, I'm okay with the Wizards drafting Jimmer anywhere after top 6 . Durant and Rose like the guy and they've faced him. He's a marquee guy. Why not?

I'm sold on him being a very solid NBA player, offensively speaking. Defensively speaking he may have limitations, but I see no reason why he couldn't be a very solid spot starter or 6th man. Well built to take punishment, has range from a mile away, and seems to be very crafty in creating shots for himself. He's just a "baller" so to speak; he knows how to play the game at a high level.

theboomking · Post #1344 » by **theboomking** » Tue Mar 22, 2011 9:45 pm

For those that have been crushing Harrison Barnes, here is the most recent blurb on him from the ESPN.com draft stock watch.

Harrison Barnes, F, UNC
Top 100 Rank: 4

Barnes continues his string of excellent play with two very good performances in the tournament. He had 24 points and 16 rebounds in the opening round versus Long Island. In Round 2 he had 22 points and four 3-pointers versus Washington.

Barnes is playing with a lot of confidence right now. He's hunting for his shot on the offensive end and is an aggressive defender. He can still disappear for stretches (as he did at the start of the second half against the Huskies), but when his team needs a clutch basket or a defensive stop, he has come up big over and over again. If he keeps up the strong play in the next round, he'll likely rise to No. 2 on our Big Board behind Irving.

Post #1345 » by **nate33** » Wed Mar 23, 2011 12:09 am

pcbothwel wrote:BTW, I saw someone on here earlier mention Buford as a possible sleeper wing in the 2nd round, But I have to ask, what does he do better than David Lighty. Lighty is bigger, stronger, more athletic, better B-Ball IQ, a great defender with good quickness and GREAT fundementals.

I really think that Lighty and Jeff Taylor are gonna be glue guys that win a few rings between the two of them. Am I the only one that thinks both of these guys are steals in the 2nd?

I live in Columbus Ohio and watch Ohio State all the time. I truly love Lighty as a college player but he has a very low ceiling on the NBA level. He's a fantastic defender, one of the most technically sound I've ever seen, but that's not enough on the pro level. Lighty has no perimeter game to speak of except he can hit a wide open 3 if he has all day to wind up and take the shot. He has no midrange game, no pullup jumper, and no ability to create off the dribble and finish in traffic (at least not against NBA caliber defenders). His game might be suitable as a Bruce Bowen "3&D guy, except he doesn't have the size to cover SF's and his 3-point range is questionable (he throws up an airball 3-pointer at least once every third game).

He's a man without a position. He's a shooting guard who can't shoot. His maximum upside might be that of a Mitchell Butler - a journeyman pro who might find a slot as an 11th man on a losing team as a good locker room influence. You don't use a draft pick on a guy like that. Well, maybe he's worth a late 2nd rounder, but certainly not our high 2nd round pick.

Buford is a much better player. Give him 10 pounds of muscle from a pro-caliber workout regimen, and he'll be a solid pro right away. He's a little Nick Youngish in his unwillingness to slash all the way to the rim, but other than that, his game is complete. He can handle, shoot and defend. He can create his own shot and has good enough court vision to find the open man. I'm not sure if he's quite good enough at any one thing to be a starter in this league, but I think he'll earn regular minutes.

Post #1346 » by **nate33** » Wed Mar 23, 2011 12:13 am

Halcyon wrote:
Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Awesome, NBTW! My young sons will enjoy that a lot. "Teach me how to Jimmer!"

"Top Comments
This definitely violated BYU's honor code in one way or another" YouTube, protagonist765

Ron Boone: "White guys don't know how to Jimmer"

From the vid: "Even Chuck Norris has a Jimmer poster"

My favorite part was the guy trying to impress a girl with a Jimmer mask on his face, and she goes "You're not Jimmer!"

FWIW, I'm okay with the Wizards drafting Jimmer anywhere after top 6 . Durant and Rose like the guy and they've faced him. He's a marquee guy. Why not?
I'm sold on him being a very solid NBA player, offensively speaking. Defensively speaking he may have limitations, but I see no reason why he couldn't be a very solid spot starter or 6th man. Well built to take punishment, has range from a mile away, and seems to be very crafty in creating shots for himself. He's just a "baller" so to speak; he knows how to play the game at a high level.

Jimmer is a really, really bad defender. I've never seen a guy who is such a competitor on offense while being so totally disinterested on defense. He just stands still in that zone defense until someone shoots. At best, he'll be a Jose Calderon type of player who runs and offense well but kills you at the other end of the floor. At worst, he'll be Jose Calderon but without the passing ability.

Illuminaire · Post #1347 » by **Illuminaire** » Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:13 am

Supposedly Jimmer's coaching staff quietly supports his non-defense. They know he has to carry the offensive load and don't seem to care a great deal that he basically just stands around on the other end of the court.

I don't really think that's a great mentality, but it's probably worth noting that Jimmer might figure out that he has to put actual effort in to that half of the game when he's drafted.

pcbothwel · Post #1348 » by **pcbothwel** » Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:32 am

Fair enough nate,
I just really like Lighty's well rounded game, work ethic, and on-court attitude. I am really hoping Taylor comes out though because I think his game is made for the NBA. Thoughts?

Post #1349 » by **Rafael122** » Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:26 pm

Good news is Atlanta keeps losing, they lost by like 35 last night against the Bulls.

Tristan Thompson is coming back for another year, and Jordan Hamilton said the same. Who knows if they both change their minds.

BTW, put me on the Chris Singleton bandwagon. Reading the stuff on him at DX, he'd be perfect for this team, perimeter defender, plays very good defense, disruptive. One thing that jumped out at me was a little note about him, saying he'd need a point guard who can set him up for wide open looks. That's John Wall in a nutshell.

tontoz · Post #1350 » by **tontoz** » Wed Mar 23, 2011 2:24 pm

This team needs guys who can shoot. Right now any drive attempts by the guards and any post up attempts by the bigs can easily be defended due to poor spacing.

DaRealHibachi · Post #1351 » by **DaRealHibachi** » Wed Mar 23, 2011 3:12 pm

tontoz wrote:This team needs guys who can shoot. Right now any drive attempts by the guards and any post up attempts by the bigs can easily be defended due to poor spacing.

pancakes3 · Post #1352 » by **pancakes3** » Wed Mar 23, 2011 3:50 pm

the team needs shooters RIGHT NOW. but next season? we're pretty set on shooters. Young is as pure a shooter as there is in the league. Shard is deadeye. Wall's jumper is progressing nicely. even Blatche can stroke it. what we NEED is a Center.

tontoz · Post #1353 » by **tontoz** » Wed Mar 23, 2011 4:03 pm

pancakes3 wrote:the team needs shooters RIGHT NOW. but next season? we're pretty set on shooters. Young is as pure a shooter as there is in the league. Shard is deadeye. Wall's jumper is progressing nicely. even Blatche can stroke it. what we NEED is a Center.

Nick is a free agent that some here would prefer to let go. Shard is a rental whose production has been on the decline. Blatche is shooting 30% from 16-23 feet (his career best is 39%), Wall 29%.

eitanr · Post #1354 » by **eitanr** » Wed Mar 23, 2011 5:40 pm

Considering the NBA draft is still only 3 months away regardless of a lockout, I wanted to discuss the potential players that may be on the Wizards' roster next year, at least starting with our likely first pick.

Now many are not a fan of discussing this until the ping pong balls fall, but I like going over the possibilities.

Below is who I would suggest drafting pending on where that ping pong ball fell.

1. Draft Kyrie Irving and look to deal him for the number 2 pick.
-I think the Wizards are the only team in the bottom 7 or so that would not want to draft Kyrie Irving out right with the 1st pick. With this being the case, Washington could potentially simply draft Irving and send him to team number 2 in a deal to swap picks.
Here are some examples:
A. To Cleveland and swap Lewis for Jamison/Gibson (dumps Lewis' deal for an expiring and a useful backup PG for Wall).
B. To Sacramento for Omri Casspi and their pick
C. To Cleveland (pending on where their picks fall) along with Atlanta pick for their LAC pick as well as their own pick.
D. To Minnesota for 18th and their pick.
E. To Toronto for their pick and future protected 1st Rd pick
F. To Detroit for their pick and future protected 1st Rd pick
G. To Utah for their pick (via NJ) and GSW protected 1st rd pick

2. Jared Sullinger
-I think ultimatley this is the one guy who can really make an immediate impact on the organization moving forward. The team needs a low post presence to make the offense easier for Wall and Sully is a nice complimen to McGee in the front court.

3. Derrick Williams
-DW is the consolation prize. I see him as a Chris Bosh/Josh Smith finesse 4 who has the potential to take his man off the dribble at the 4 slot and can be a force in the open court with Wall. Perhaps not an ideal 4 as Sully would be for the team, but it could be interesting.

4. Perry Jones
-Jones is looking more like Anthony Randolph than the Kevin Durant comparisons he once drew. Still, Jones has the potential to be a top flight up tempo 4 ala Stoudemire or Shawn Kemp who could look nice running the floor with Wall.

5. Harrison Barnes
- First non PF here. Barnes has shown some flashes that could compare him to a combination of Danny Granger and a young Paul Pierce. Would be worth selecting at this slot as he could become the future 3 of the team.

6. Enes Kanter
- Big rugged Euro PF/C who can develop into at the very worst a nice bulky big for the Wiz and at best could be the euro version of Kevin Love minus the 3 point range.

7. Terrence Jones
-I see him as a low risk SF who can play the quick 4 at times ala Jeff Green. He also seems to have a little Lamar Odom in him and an overall high bball IQ. He would be an extremely useful talent moving forward for the franchise.

The Wiz likely will not land a pick below 7th since it will be impossible to do pending their record.

pancakes3 · Post #1355 » by **pancakes3** » Wed Mar 23, 2011 6:46 pm

so you're saying we should draft a shooter, let nick walk, then start crawford and barnes, letting our $20 million albatross sit on the bench all in the name of spacing?

tontoz · Post #1356 » by **tontoz** » Wed Mar 23, 2011 6:58 pm

pancakes3 wrote:so you're saying we should draft a shooter, let nick walk, then start crawford and barnes, letting our $20 million albatross sit on the bench all in the name of spacing?

What? Where did i say let Nick walk? I have been arguing for months that he needs to be resigned. Even with Nick resigned they need more shooting. What they don't need is a guys like Faried or Terrence Jones who can't shoot.

But since you brought up the subject of centers what center is there in the draft? My current top pick in the draft would be Kanter who could probably spend some time at C but as far as I know the 4 is his natural position.

tontoz · Post #1357 » by **tontoz** » Wed Mar 23, 2011 10:38 pm

Sekou Smith used to be the Hawks beat writer and now works for NBA.com. Now that he isn't their beat writer he doesn't have to play nice. He just gave an interview with an Atlanta station and it was pretty blunt.

http://media.790thezone.com/Podcasts/13 ... -23-11.mp3

The Hawks have lost 12 games by 15 or more points. That is only 2 fewer than the Kings.

They play Philly tonight and Philly is 3.5 games behind them. Philly could possibly catch them the way things are going now.

Halcyon · Post #1358 » by **Halcyon** » Wed Mar 23, 2011 11:55 pm

We do have a draft thread, you know...

Anyway I would really like to see more film and news on Kanter. He's the biggest ? for me that I am intrigued with right now.

Geaux Wiz · Post #1359 » by **Geaux Wiz** » Wed Mar 23, 2011 11:57 pm

What do you guys think of Kawhi Leonard (San Diego SF)? From what I've seen he's projected to go in early teens (which i would think would be a steal), so he'll most certainly be out of reach with the ATL pick, but if we could trade up or down I think it'd definitely be worth it.

pcbothwel · Post #1360 » by **pcbothwel** » Thu Mar 24, 2011 12:16 am

Geaux Wiz wrote:What do you guys think of Kawhi Leonard (San Diego SF)? From what I've seen he's projected to go in early teens (which i would think would be a steal), so he'll most certainly be out of reach with the ATL pick, but if we could trade up or down I think it'd definitely be worth it.

If he falls to our Atl pick I would take him, but he is a 3 all the way. Except, he has a very poor handle and no real shot as he gets most of his points of put backs. I like his work ethic, length, and athleticism, but I think a guy like singleton, Hamilton, Thompson, or Honeycutt will be there at the ATL pick.