Official Trade Thread XIV: 6/14/10 - 12/22/10

[mhd]

My latest to get out of Lewis' contract:

TRADE 1: Wiz trade Lewis to Bucks for Redd (has to be done because Lewis cannot be traded for any other players because he was just traded).

TRADE 2:
Wiz trade: McGee+Hinrich for Drew Gooden+Batum+Dooling
Bucks trade: Maggette+Gooden+Dooling for Hinrich+Camby
Portland trades: Batum+Camby for McGee+Maggette

NEW LINEUPS:
Wiz:
PG: Wall/Dooling
SG: Young/Martin
SF: Batum/Howard
PF: Gooden/Booker
C: Blatche/Seraphin/Yi

Bucks:
PG: Jennings/Hinrich
SG: Salmons/Delfino
SF: Lewis/Mbha a Moute
PF: Illyasova/Camby
C: Bogut/Camby

Por:
PG: Miller/Mills
SG: Roy/Rudy
SF: Matthews/Maggette
PF: Aldridge/Cunningham
C: McGee/Phrysbilla

WHY FOR THE WIZ?
They save major cap savings to go after FAs this year and Batum is a much needed young defensive, 3 point shooting SF.

WHY FOR THE BUCKS?
1) They want to win now. Camby, Hinrich, and Lewis all provide upgrades in defense (Hinrich and Camby), rebounding (Camby), and outside shooting (Hinrich and Lewis)

WHY FOR THE BLAZERS?
1) McGee gives them a needed young Center. With a glut of wings, Batum is expendable. Maggette also provides bench scoring.

[Ruzious]

This is genuinely depressing. Gil may not be "Gil" anymore, but he is the most incandescent player I've ever seen in a Wizards/Bullets uni. It's a damn shame that injuries and the stupid, STUPID guns incident stole this guy from us. The miserable, sniping, no-call-getting, non-smiling ground-bound guy we have now is not Gil... but damn, this is how it has to end?

Honestly, it ended a long time again, sash. It was past time to move on. Now everybody can take the 1,000 lb weights off their backs and hopefully move past the blame games.

As for trades, the Wiz have about 25 small forwards on the roster. It'd be nice to trade 1 or 3 and get a backup PG.

[AceDegenerate]

This is genuinely depressing. Gil may not be "Gil" anymore, but he is the most incandescent player I've ever seen in a Wizards/Bullets uni. It's a damn shame that injuries and the stupid, STUPID guns incident stole this guy from us. The miserable, sniping, no-call-getting, non-smiling ground-bound guy we have now is not Gil... but damn, this is how it has to end?

Honestly, it ended a long time again, sash. It was past time to move on. Now everybody can take the 1,000 lb weights off their backs and hopefully move past the blame games.

Just like it's been long past the time to move on from the Grunfeld era, it won't stop the fanboys from clinging on and saying otherwise though will it?

[Ruzious]

This is genuinely depressing. Gil may not be "Gil" anymore, but he is the most incandescent player I've ever seen in a Wizards/Bullets uni. It's a damn shame that injuries and the stupid, STUPID guns incident stole this guy from us. The miserable, sniping, no-call-getting, non-smiling ground-bound guy we have now is not Gil... but damn, this is how it has to end?

Honestly, it ended a long time again, sash. It was past time to move on. Now everybody can take the 1,000 lb weights off their backs and hopefully move past the blame games.

Just like it's been long past the time to move on from the Grunfeld era, it won't stop the fanboys from clinging on and saying otherwise though will it?

If you're trying again to pick a fight with me, you're going about it the wrong way - since I called for Grunfeld's firing before the gun incident.

[AceDegenerate]

Yeah because any time I make a comment around here I'm trying to "pick a fight". Get real.

[AceDegenerate]

Anyway, everybody can rest easy based on the fact that the Wizards organization has such a long history of coming out on the winning end of these sorts of trades...

Oh wait.

[Astonished]

Michael Lee:

I heard Gilbert Arenas was really appreciative that the #wizards sent him to the place where he really wanted to be. He's in great spirits.

[Ruzious]

Yeah because any time I make a comment around here I'm trying to "pick a fight". Get real.

Yes, well over half your posts have been about picking fights.

[AceDegenerate]

Yeah because any time I make a comment around here I'm trying to "pick a fight". Get real.

Yes, well over half your posts have been about picking fights.

Right, as have yours.

Like this one to Induveca @ the top of page 81 of this thread:

And yet he's still playing 27 minutes a game and will likely to continue playing 27 minutes a game. Right?

Yeah, I thought so.

[Ruzious]

Yeah because any time I make a comment around here I'm trying to "pick a fight". Get real.

Yes, well over half your posts have been about picking fights.

Right, as have yours.

Like this one to Induveca @ the top of page 81 of this thread:

And yet he's still playing 27 minutes a game and will likely to continue playing 27 minutes a game. Right?

Yeah, I thought so.

I'm not the one denying I pick fights.

[Ruzious]

Getting back to trade suggestions, Al Thornton seems like the odd man out to me. And the Wiz need a 3rd guy capable of playing the point. Dallas sent 2 of their young guards to the D League. And with Butler now their starting 2 (according to RealGM's depth chart, anyway) and noone else behind Marion at the 3, maybe a Dom Jones for Al Thornton trade makes sense for both teams - with the Wiz chipping in a 2nd round pick since Jones has a higher upside. Jones' ability to play either guard position is a big plus going forward - though he's got to improve his jump shot - certainly doable. He is a physical tough defender who can penetrate.

[mhd]

Getting back to trade suggestions, Al Thornton seems like the odd man out to me. And the Wiz need a 3rd guy capable of playing the point. Dallas sent 2 of their young guards to the D League. And with Butler now their starting 2 (according to RealGM's depth chart, anyway) and noone else behind Marion at the 3, maybe a Dom Jones for Al Thornton trade makes sense for both teams - with the Wiz chipping in a 2nd round pick since Jones has a higher upside. Jones' ability to play either guard position is a big plus going forward - though he's got to improve his jump shot - certainly doable. He is a physical tough defender who can penetrate.

With Jet Terry and Kidd, Dallas need youth and they spent 3 million to get Jones. Doubt they trade him away this soon. Honestly, I hope we try and trade Hinrich. Perhaps a McGee+Hinrich+Thorton for Batum+Andre Miller+filler trade could be done?

[mhd]

Bucks fans have said point blank to Maggette+Gooden+Redd for Lewis+Hinrich deal. Gooden's deal sucks (lasts two years after Maggette expires), but I thought I read it was not as big as it was.

[Ruzious]

Getting back to trade suggestions, Al Thornton seems like the odd man out to me. And the Wiz need a 3rd guy capable of playing the point. Dallas sent 2 of their young guards to the D League. And with Butler now their starting 2 (according to RealGM's depth chart, anyway) and noone else behind Marion at the 3, maybe a Dom Jones for Al Thornton trade makes sense for both teams - with the Wiz chipping in a 2nd round pick since Jones has a higher upside. Jones' ability to play either guard position is a big plus going forward - though he's got to improve his jump shot - certainly doable. He is a physical tough defender who can penetrate.

With Jet Terry and Kidd, Dallas need youth and they spent 3 million to get Jones. Doubt they trade him away this soon. Honestly, I hope we try and trade Hinrich. Perhaps a McGee+Hinrich+Thorton for Batum+Andre Miller+filler trade could be done?

That's effectively a Batum for McGee trade, because Miller would be gone after a year - just like Hinrich. It would leave the Wiz front court without its top talent. Is Batum really that good?

[mhd]

Getting back to trade suggestions, Al Thornton seems like the odd man out to me. And the Wiz need a 3rd guy capable of playing the point. Dallas sent 2 of their young guards to the D League. And with Butler now their starting 2 (according to RealGM's depth chart, anyway) and noone else behind Marion at the 3, maybe a Dom Jones for Al Thornton trade makes sense for both teams - with the Wiz chipping in a 2nd round pick since Jones has a higher upside. Jones' ability to play either guard position is a big plus going forward - though he's got to improve his jump shot - certainly doable. He is a physical tough defender who can penetrate.

With Jet Terry and Kidd, Dallas need youth and they spent 3 million to get Jones. Doubt they trade him away this soon. Honestly, I hope we try and trade Hinrich. Perhaps a McGee+Hinrich+Thorton for Batum+Andre Miller+filler trade could be done?

That's effectively a Batum for McGee trade, because Miller would be gone after a year - just like Hinrich. It would leave the Wiz front court without its top talent. Is Batum really that good?

Actually, Miller expires (team option) while Hinrich doesn't, so we save cap space. I think Batum, as a 22 year old, high IQ, excellent defender and 3 point shooter, is an ideal SF to pair with Wall.

[Ruzious]

Bucks fans have said point blank to Maggette+Gooden+Redd for Lewis+Hinrich deal. Gooden's deal sucks (lasts two years after Maggette expires), but I thought I read it was not as big as it was.

Yeah, I still haven't figured out what Milw was smoking when they signed Gooden. I wouldn't touch that contract.

[nate33]

Getting back to trade suggestions, Al Thornton seems like the odd man out to me. And the Wiz need a 3rd guy capable of playing the point. Dallas sent 2 of their young guards to the D League. And with Butler now their starting 2 (according to RealGM's depth chart, anyway) and noone else behind Marion at the 3, maybe a Dom Jones for Al Thornton trade makes sense for both teams - with the Wiz chipping in a 2nd round pick since Jones has a higher upside. Jones' ability to play either guard position is a big plus going forward - though he's got to improve his jump shot - certainly doable. He is a physical tough defender who can penetrate.

With Jet Terry and Kidd, Dallas need youth and they spent 3 million to get Jones. Doubt they trade him away this soon. Honestly, I hope we try and trade Hinrich. Perhaps a McGee+Hinrich+Thorton for Batum+Andre Miller+filler trade could be done?

We're not trading Hinrich. We need PG depth with Wall's injury issues.

I like Ruzious' idea. I like any idea that sends out Thornton and brings back a serviceable guard. Any chance we could trade Thornton to Golden State for Acie Law? It's not that I particularly covet Law, it's just that he's a moderately disappointing player from the same draft class - so it's pretty much a lateral move for both teams, contract-wise and talent-wise.

[mhd]

Bucks fans have said point blank to Maggette+Gooden+Redd for Lewis+Hinrich deal. Gooden's deal sucks (lasts two years after Maggette expires), but I thought I read it was not as big as it was.

Yeah, I still haven't figured out what Milw was smoking when they signed Gooden. I wouldn't touch that contract.

Its an interesting concept if we want to go into FA this year (we'd save 15 Million in cap space) doing the deal. If the 10 mil garuntee is true, than Maggette and Lewis equal out and expire the same time. Then, its Gooden for 2 more year at a relatively reasonable rate. Considering he's been traded 1000 times, perhaps we could find a buyer.

[Ruzious]

With Jet Terry and Kidd, Dallas need youth and they spent 3 million to get Jones. Doubt they trade him away this soon. Honestly, I hope we try and trade Hinrich. Perhaps a McGee+Hinrich+Thorton for Batum+Andre Miller+filler trade could be done?

That's effectively a Batum for McGee trade, because Miller would be gone after a year - just like Hinrich. It would leave the Wiz front court without its top talent. Is Batum really that good?

Actually, Miller expires (team option) while Hinrich doesn't, so we save cap space. I think Batum, as a 22 year old, high IQ, excellent defender and 3 point shooter, is an ideal SF to pair with Wall.

That does makes it better than I thought, but I don't think we want to use that cap room this offseason. The thing I question about Batum is also a problem with Javale - intensity. I question if he has the drive or desire to become more than a good role player. Portland went out and paid good money for Wes Matthews to do what Batum does - better than Batum does it. I think if we trade Javale for anything but a big, it's gotta be for someone better than both Matthews and Batum.

[bulletproof_32]

Nothing is set in stone at this point, so I'm not going to get all riled up right now. However, I will say this. If we do a straight-up Arenas-Lewis swap with no other deal in place to move Rashard, I will not be renewing my season-tickets next year. This organization is crap if they do that deal. While I am resigned to the fact Arenas needs to go, I don't see how getting another soft big guy with a bad contract is good for this team. We'll see what happens, but if this deal goes through Leonsis will certainly be hearing from me as a season ticket holder.

I was on the phone with my brother when the trade became official and the bolded parts were basically the first two things I said (with a couple of "F bombs" thrown in).