Jan Vesely Part II: He a Bust

[Nivek]

Its sad many called this before he was even drafted, thanks Ernie now no more drafting Euros early!!!

That'd be the wrong lesson, actually.

The real lesson would be to properly evaluate players before drafting them. Ask important questions like: Is this guy good at basketball or is he just tall and athletic? How's his PRODUCTION for his level of competition? Does he have actual basketball skills like shooting, passing, ball handling? Is he tough physically and mentally? What kind of personality does he have?

I should make a flowchart of Ernie's draft evaluation matrix.

[tontoz]

Its sad many called this before he was even drafted, thanks Ernie now no more drafting Euros early!!!

That'd be the wrong lesson, actually.

The real lesson would be to properly evaluate players before drafting them. Ask important questions like: Is this guy good at basketball or is he just tall and athletic? How's his PRODUCTION for his level of competition? Does he have actual basketball skills like shooting, passing, ball handling? Is he tough physically and mentally? What kind of personality does he have?

I should make a flowchart of Ernie's draft evaluation matrix.

You should have seen what someone posted about you not long ago. They were talking about why you haven't been posting and someone speculated that EG hired you as a consultant. I was like

Given your track record criticizing EG i think he would rather eat dirt than ask you for an opinion. Not that your criticism hasn't been justified of course.

[MikeTheKid]

Its sad many called this before he was even drafted, thanks Ernie now no more drafting Euros early!!!

That'd be the wrong lesson, actually.

The real lesson would be to properly evaluate players before drafting them. Ask important questions like: Is this guy good at basketball or is he just tall and athletic? How's his PRODUCTION for his level of competition? Does he have actual basketball skills like shooting, passing, ball handling? Is he tough physically and mentally? What kind of personality does he have?

I should make a flowchart of Ernie's draft evaluation matrix.

Great to have Nivek back from vacay!!!

[Nivek]

Its sad many called this before he was even drafted, thanks Ernie now no more drafting Euros early!!!

That'd be the wrong lesson, actually.

The real lesson would be to properly evaluate players before drafting them. Ask important questions like: Is this guy good at basketball or is he just tall and athletic? How's his PRODUCTION for his level of competition? Does he have actual basketball skills like shooting, passing, ball handling? Is he tough physically and mentally? What kind of personality does he have?

I should make a flowchart of Ernie's draft evaluation matrix.

You should have seen what someone posted about you not long ago. They were talking about why you haven't been posting and someone speculated that EG hired you as a consultant. I was like

Given your track record criticizing EG i think he would rather eat dirt than ask you for an opinion. Not that your criticism hasn't been justified of course.

I heard about the consultant accusation from a friend. No such luck...well, I was about to make a joke about my bank account needing the help, but I know what they wanted to pay for consultant work a few years back, and it wouldn't have helped.

In reality, I was vacationing in California. When the Blair/Humphries moves were made, I was someplace in Big Sur, stopping (often) along the Pacific Coast Highway to see the sights. Which were pretty damn impressive. Carmel is like something out of a storybook. We saw whales at McWay Falls. Saw elephant seals just before dark at San Simeon. Saw rocks "painted" white by birds. My son cleverly found poison oak.

[Ruzious]

Its sad many called this before he was even drafted, thanks Ernie now no more drafting Euros early!!!

That'd be the wrong lesson, actually.

The real lesson would be to properly evaluate players before drafting them. Ask important questions like: Is this guy good at basketball or is he just tall and athletic? How's his PRODUCTION for his level of competition? Does he have actual basketball skills like shooting, passing, ball handling? Is he tough physically and mentally? What kind of personality does he have?

I should make a flowchart of Ernie's draft evaluation matrix.

You should have seen what someone posted about you not long ago. They were talking about why you haven't been posting and someone speculated that EG hired you as a consultant. I was like

Given your track record criticizing EG i think he would rather eat dirt than ask you for an opinion. Not that your criticism hasn't been justified of course.

Nivek has to keep it on the down-lo for now, but we know what really happened.

[AFM]

Nivek aka Ernie's Right Hand Man

[montestewart]

I should make a flowchart of Ernie's draft evaluation matrix.

Yes, you should. The Matrix: Draft Evaluation. With EG as Neo, and Terd as Orpheus.

[mohammed10]

Yes, you should. The Matrix: Draft Evaluation. With EG as Neo, and Terd as Orpheus.

Don't you mean Terd emerging from the orifice?

[jmrosenth]

How big of a bust was Vesley? Only ONE other player drafted top 6 since the NBA-ABA merger has failed to last more than 3 seasons not due to injury or drugs. ONE.

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/ ... y-quickly/

Picking Vesley was way worse than picking Kwame, and it's not even close.

[closg00]

The only question that remains is will Jan Vesely become the heart and soul of Fenerbahce Ulker?

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

How big of a bust was Vesley? Only ONE other player drafted top 6 since the NBA-ABA merger has failed to last more than 3 seasons not due to injury or drugs. ONE.

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/ ... y-quickly/

Picking Vesley was way worse than picking Kwame, and it's not even close.

I knew it was a bad thing that James Gist (a former Terp player) was the considerably better statistical player on Jan Vesely's team.

The Wizards literally could have taken Gist 6th overall and gotten better than they ultimately got from Vesely.

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[hands11]

How big of a bust was Vesley? Only ONE other player drafted top 6 since the NBA-ABA merger has failed to last more than 3 seasons not due to injury or drugs. ONE.

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/ ... y-quickly/

Picking Vesley was way worse than picking Kwame, and it's not even close.

I knew it was a bad thing that James Gist (a former Terp player) was the considerably better statistical player on Jan Vesely's team.

The Wizards literally could have taken Gist 6th overall and gotten better than they ultimately got from Vesely.

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Stay strong and true CCJ... The Ves will return. I'm half glad he is going over seas for at least one year. Probably two. Dude needs minutes and mojo. Wizards were a bad place for him to land. Would have been better in MIL or on a vet team from the word go.

Starting one year, then changing positions, then changing again, and the coming off the bench and no Wall, just to much for him to over come. Not from where he started... #6 pick. The kiss. Starting. Vesanity.

Ves has some talent. He does what he does. He has gotten bigger. He has adjusted to the idea that he has to play PF/C. Now he need minutes. Chew up on some weaker comp would be good for him. He played well in international ball last year. He rebounded 2nd best to only Booker. He steals. He can finish.

He need to hit his FTs. And add a mid range. He can get that going overseas.

Stay strong CCJ. Don't fold to the board pressure. Its not your style.

[jmrosenth]

How big of a bust was Vesley? Only ONE other player drafted top 6 since the NBA-ABA merger has failed to last more than 3 seasons not due to injury or drugs. ONE.

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/ ... y-quickly/

Picking Vesley was way worse than picking Kwame, and it's not even close.

I knew it was a bad thing that James Gist (a former Terp player) was the considerably better statistical player on Jan Vesely's team.

The Wizards literally could have taken Gist 6th overall and gotten better than they ultimately got from Vesely.

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He does what he does.

Or doesn't.

[TGW]

The only question that remains is will Jan Vesely become the heart and soul of Fenerbahce Ulker?

Yea, I forget who said that Vesley was the heart and soul of the team, but that was one of the funniest/dumbest things I've ever read on this board.

[AFM]

The only question that remains is will Jan Vesely become the heart and soul of Fenerbahce Ulker?

Yea, I forget who said that Vesley was the heart and soul of the team, but that was one of the funniest/dumbest things I've ever read on this board.

Was either Hands or WizD. I remember whoever it was also said "Ves was playing without Wall, his building block of comfort".

[closg00]

Both quotes belong in the HOF thread, but only the "building blocks of comfort" quote is there. Classic!!!


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[TGW]

The only question that remains is will Jan Vesely become the heart and soul of Fenerbahce Ulker?

Yea, I forget who said that Vesley was the heart and soul of the team, but that was one of the funniest/dumbest things I've ever read on this board.

Was either Hands or WizD. I remember whoever it was also said "Ves was playing without Wall, his building block of comfort".

[pcbothwel]

How big of a bust was Vesley? Only ONE other player drafted top 6 since the NBA-ABA merger has failed to last more than 3 seasons not due to injury or drugs. ONE.

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/ ... y-quickly/

Picking Vesley was way worse than picking Kwame, and it's not even close.

This is a little misleading as Vesely would have made an NBA team this year. He choose to go to Europe as he is already from there.
Im not saying he is good or anything, Im just giving some perspective

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

How big of a bust was Vesley? Only ONE other player drafted top 6 since the NBA-ABA merger has failed to last more than 3 seasons not due to injury or drugs. ONE.

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/ ... y-quickly/

Picking Vesley was way worse than picking Kwame, and it's not even close.

I knew it was a bad thing that James Gist (a former Terp player) was the considerably better statistical player on Jan Vesely's team.

The Wizards literally could have taken Gist 6th overall and gotten better than they ultimately got from Vesely.

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Stay strong and true CCJ... The Ves will return. I'm half glad he is going over seas for at least one year. Probably two. Dude needs minutes and mojo. Wizards were a bad place for him to land. Would have been better in MIL or on a vet team from the word go.

Starting one year, then changing positions, then changing again, and the coming off the bench and no Wall, just to much for him to over come. Not from where he started... #6 pick. The kiss. Starting. Vesanity.

Ves has some talent. He does what he does. He has gotten bigger. He has adjusted to the idea that he has to play PF/C. Now he need minutes. Chew up on some weaker comp would be good for him. He played well in international ball last year. He rebounded 2nd best to only Booker. He steals. He can finish.

He need to hit his FTs. And add a mid range. He can get that going overseas.

Stay strong CCJ. Don't fold to the board pressure. Its not your style.

I supported Vesely. He started some games with Seraphin before the Wizards went with veterans. Jan Vesely lost confidence thereafter.

hands, I never wanted Vesely. I did comment on Gist and Vesely before Jan was drafted.

I think Vesely has the physical tools to be a solid energetic player off the bench. However, his FT shooting and his timidity after this many seasons make me happy he left the NBA.

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Vesely is very likely never coming back to the NBA, hands.