Official Trade Thread XXII (2/6/13 - 4/1/13)

[AFM]

I would do that in a quick minute. I don't see anyone in this draft being as big of a beast as Cousins.

[rockymac52]

I just don't see the reason for the Kings to do that trade. The only plausible scenario is the one you mentioned at the end, but if they decided to trade Cousins, I'm positive they could get a much better offer than that.

[theboomking]

I just don't see the reason for the Kings to do that trade. The only plausible scenario is the one you mentioned at the end, but if they decided to trade Cousins, I'm positive they could get a much better offer than that.

How about Nene, our 1st and filler for Cousins and filler. I am not sure how much this upgrades us talent wise, but it does give us a lot of young talent with a fairly high ceiling. If Beal, Cousins and Wall all max out their talent, we would have a very good, but not elite core.

[J-Ves]

I just don't see the reason for the Kings to do that trade. The only plausible scenario is the one you mentioned at the end, but if they decided to trade Cousins, I'm positive they could get a much better offer than that.

The Wizards could also add in their 2014 1st, top 3 protected. Might make the deal more appealing for the Kings, and I figure a core of Wall/Beal/Cousins/Nene would be playoff caliber, so the pick would be out of the lottery.

The only problem is can the wizards afford to sign him and Wall next offseason?

[jivelikenice]

If we trade for Cousins, we have to keep Néne. I just don't trust Cousins on this team w/o a vet who won't be afraid to lay into him....Okafor isn't that type of mentor/leader.

[mhd]

My latest:

Bucks trade: Sanders+Gooden+Illyasova for Love+Singleton
Wiz trade: 2013 1st rounder (assume its in the 6-9 range)+Seraphin+Vessley (exp)+Singleton for Gooden+Sanders
Minny trades: Love for Illyasova+Seraphin+Vessley+Wiz 2013 1st rounder

NEW LINEUPS:
Bucks:
PG: Jennings/Smith
SG: Reddick/Ellis (assume he doesn't opt out)
SF: Dunleavy/Mbah a Moute
PF: Love/Henson
C: Dalembert/Ayon

Wiz:
PG: Wall/Price
SG: Beal/Temple
SF: Webster/Ariza
PF: Nene/Booker
C: Sanders/Emeka

Minny:
PG: Rubio/Ridnour
SG: Buddinger/Barea
SF: AK/Shved
PF: Illyasova/Williams
C: Pekovic/Seraphin

WHY FOR THE BUCKS?
1) All indications are that they will resign Reddick & Jennings, so they decide to pull the trigger and land an offensive dynamo in Kevin Love to man the PF spot. They have Henson as a Sanders-esque replacement, and they can resign Dalembert to fill in at center. They also get rid of Gooden in the deal.

WHY FOR THE WIZ?
1) They need a young big to build with Wall & Beal. Sanders is a game changing defensive big who would work well with Wall and Beal and the WIzards' defensive focus.

WHY FOR THE Timberwolves?
1) They will resign Pekovic who will command a ton in FA, so they get a stretch 4 in Illyasova who costs half as much as Love does and isn't putting out feelers that he wants to leave. They also get a likely mid lotto pick (in addition to their own) to draft a wing and another big. They could end up with potentially Zeller/Len and Olapido/Shabaaz if they get lucky.



I'd try and shop Emeka around b/c he's certainly raised his value and see if we could try and snatch a much needed combo guard or stretch 4.

[AFM]

No way in hell would I give up our lottery pick for Sanders.

[jivelikenice]

How do the Nuggets stand with the salary cap? Are they in a position where they will have to dump salary with Lawson's extension kicking in?? Maybe they become willing to part with Wlson Chandler or Gallo?

[TGW]

No way in hell would I give up our lottery pick for Sanders.

I would in a heartbeat. The kid averages over 9 points, 9 rebounds, and 3 blocks a game. That is better production than any of the bigs in this draft can offer aside from maybe Noel.

[gambitx777]

That's just not true! There are some really nice big's in this draft, Olynyk and Muscala, and others all have promising futures in the NBA. I would not just dump a first rounder in to sanders. With that being said, If that trade went down I would not hate it i would just not agree with it. I am not giving up on this draft ! ! !

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

With high lottery pick prospects looking pretty dim I'd be more open to a deal like this now:

Wizards trade:
C Emeka Okafor
F/C Kevin Seraphin
2013 1st round pick

Kings trade:
C DeMarcus Cousins
G/F John Salmons (2 years left, final year not guaranteed)

I would also do this deal with Nene traded instead of Okafor. Okafor rebounds misses better and he's a shot blocker who would complement DeMarcus better than Nene. DeMarcus can be the passing big like Nene.

The reason I like this deal, Dat, is John Wall has turned the corner and is heading to greatness. Now we know he's going to be here a long time. He plays even better with Cousins and vice versa.

[fishercob]

I just don't see the reason for the Kings to do that trade. The only plausible scenario is the one you mentioned at the end, but if they decided to trade Cousins, I'm positive they could get a much better offer than that.

I guess it depends on where our pick ends up. If we jump up to the top 3, would SAC/SEA consider? Would we?

I think any team trading for Cousins needs assets and the right situation. We assume DC is the right situation because of Wall and the fact that he and COusins enjoyed success together. Plus, the Wiz seem to have a really strong locker room right now.

OKC's got a host of assets -- the TOR pick, Lamb, Jones, CHA's 2nd, their own 1st, but there's no way they could pay Cousins when his contract comes up without going way into the lux tax.

Cleveland has some assets -- cap space, lotto pick, Tristan, Waiters, Varajeo. My sense is they want to keep all those guys and keep building. I don't know that that locker room is a great fit for Cousins (or that it isn't).

Keep an eye on San Antonio. They have cap space and all their own picks. But I don't know that they have young talent the Kings would want and that they would trade.

Chicago could be a threat with the future CHA pick, Mirotic, Jimmy BUtler. Boozer only has one year longer than Cousins -- if they wanted the could amnesty Boozer before that final season. But Deng will be off the books then, and possibly replaced by the much cheaper Butler. They could play NOah/Cousins/Boozer 28-32 MPG each, deal Taj Gibson for other help, and find less expensive 4th and 5th bigs.

[nate33]

With high lottery pick prospects looking pretty dim I'd be more open to a deal like this now:

Wizards trade:
C Emeka Okafor
F/C Kevin Seraphin
2013 1st round pick

Kings trade:
C DeMarcus Cousins
G/F John Salmons (2 years left, final year not guaranteed)

I would also do this deal with Nene traded instead of Okafor. Okafor rebounds misses better and he's a shot blocker who would complement DeMarcus better the Nene. DeMarcus can be the passing big like Nene.

The reason I like this deal, Dat, is John Wall has turned the corner and is heading to greatness. Now we know he's going to be here a long time. He plays even better with Cousins and vice versa.

I disagree completely. Okafor and Cousins could not coexist because neither can play power forward. Also, Okafor's rebounding wouldn't be needed so much because Cousins is a rebounding beast. Cousins and Nene would be a better combination. Nene would back up Cousins at C, and play another 20 minutes at PF alongside him. I also agree with jivelikenice that Nene is a stronger leader who would probably do a better job of keeping Cousins in line.

[Ruzious]

And it may be a snapple judgment to basically say John Wall is equivalent of Isaiah Thomas Sac version one day and 5 games later say he is equivalent of Isaiah Thomas Det version.

[Illuminaire]

And it may be a snapple judgment to basically say John Wall is equivalent of Isaiah Thomas Sac version one day and 5 games later say he is equivalent of Isaiah Thomas Det version.

True, but Snapple is delicious.

[payitforward]

Some really mind-blowing stuff going back and forth here -- wow!

John Wall has had a few good games, and now he's "heading for greatness...." Amazing. I was calling for the brakes to be put on just in respect of concluding that he was definitively improved!

And Cousins? He isn't even good -- why don't we look at the actual numbers he actually puts up in actual games right here in the real world not our imaginations? And you want to give up, some of you, two first round picks? A lottery pick and a pick the following year (which upon making that trade would be sure to be another lottery pick!)? And take back John Salmons too?

As I said... mind-blowing.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... ljo01.html

NBA player of the week, 22 years old. PER is up (18.7), as are TS%, EFG%, DRtg, and WS/48.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... elog/2013/

Games scores in March have been scores that stars and superstars get. (10 is average)

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... lits/2013/

March Splits (10 games): .524 FG, .545 3P%, .854 FT, 20.1 points, 4.5 rebounds 7.7 assists

I would say Wall is heading toward stardom.

[payitforward]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/walljo01.html

NBA player of the week, 22 years old. PER is up (18.7), as are TS%, EFG%, DRtg, and WS/48.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... elog/2013/

Games scores in March have been scores that stars and superstars get. (10 is average)

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... lits/2013/

March Splits (10 games): .524 FG, .545 3P%, .854 FT, 20.1 points, 4.5 rebounds 7.7 assists

I would say Wall is heading toward stardom.

You said "greatness," and one of the characteristics of places like this where there is zero penalty for being wrong is tons of overstatement (followed by remembering when one is right, forgetting when one is wrong, and providing excuses when the wrong judgments are pointed out).

What I'd say about John Wall is that he is a fantastic athlete with a lot of potential to be a terrific NBA player. Over the last few games he's shown what he can do when he doesn't display his shortcomings. If he stays that way, sure, he'll achieve "stardom" or "greatness".

In your sig. below, you say he "figured it out in 3 games." You do realize that Randy Foye once scored 29 points in one quarter of an NBA game. Of course, we both know that you can't conclude anything about a guy's career off a single quarter.

Nor off a handful of games. I'll be delighted if he turns out an outstanding NBA point guard; that's what I want. Not a John Wall hater.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I did say greatness and I do think he has figured it out. I will be the first to admit if I'm wrong.

pif, I've bashed the heck out of Wall for three years, but on 3/12/13 he got my attention.

Wall is 6-11 on threes in March after going 3-42 from three last season. He was at one point, 1-17 from three this season. Wall figured out how to make a three!

What that does is make him much, much, much tougher to guard and a much, much, much better player. Teams have to worry about him going to the rack and now they have to worry about him pulling up. Every one of his teammates, who benefitted previously with Wall the facilitator suddenly have to worry about a guy who is now shooting three like Kyrie Irving.

I made an inference or two, pif. You can keep hate alive and you are well-taken to point out the small sample size I am working with. "Hype" probably comes from the word "hyperbole". I'm not exaggerating anything Wall had done the last 10 games but it is a leap to say that he will do it from now on.

I have taken a leap of faith here. We both will see how Wall plays. I'm comfortable with the idea that Wall can be a verbal leader and he can shoot from distance with accuracy. Most of all, I think he is showing his doubters.

If he's doing this at 22 how good will he be at age 26.

[payitforward]

...I'm not exaggerating anything Wall had done the last 10 games but it is a leap to say that he will do it from now on.... I have taken a leap of faith here. ...

Yup, you sure have! Which is another way of saying exactly what I said!

If you are right I'll be just as happy about it as you are. Let it be...