Political Roundtable Part XIX

[dckingsfan]

Merrick f*****g Garland.

Norms are done and over with. The GOP will break every rule they can to stack the courts with judges that will shape the country for decades. Playing by the rules is a losing strategy that results in handing the country over to the party of grifters and Roy Moore.

Got it - we need a benign dictator of that you approve.

Guess we need to throw out SD's benign dictator...

Yeah man making fuel efficiency rules permanent that were otherwise not necessarily permanent is benign dictatorship.

Centrism!

I am reacting to your "norms are doe and over with" comment. If you truly feel this way and feel we should just execute everyone that doesn't agree with us - then I can't follow you.

If you don't believe we should follow the rule of law, then you are a trumper in my opinion - just one of a different ilk.

What I hope, is that Trump is roundly defeated in the mid-terms and then again in 2020.

What I hope doesn't happen is we replace one Trump with another...

[dckingsfan]

Seems like this is pretty much the obama game plan from November 8th until Jan 20th. The entire Obama administration and every single department acted just like this.

You know, it was Obama in 2008 when I first heard the term “elections have consequences.”

Why couldn’t this man just step aside after his party lost the way George Bush did for him?

As you rightfully point out, "elections have consequences." Obama's term as president ended on Jan. 20, 2017. So he and his administration had every legal right to continue to govern after Nov. 8, 2016, including making the changes in mileage targets that were made before Jan. 20, 2017.

So what's the problem?

Quite frankly, I think Obama did the country a favor by trying to mitigate, wherever possible, the damage that the orange idiot and his administration were likely to do.

And do we really know that the Bush Administration didn't do similar things between the time Obama was elected and the time Obama took office?

The problem is that it was an multi-lateral agreement with the states, federal government and car companies. He basically blew the agreement up. Why even bother with agreements and processes if you just ignore them in the end?

So then we shouldn't have a problem with Trump doing the same. We SHOULD have a problem with Trump ignoring agreements that were in place in the past. And we should have a problem with Obama doing the same.

I would also add that we should focus on those EPA policy rollbacks that actually make a difference like the disposal of coal dust.

[gtn130]

Got it - we need a benign dictator of that you approve.

Guess we need to throw out SD's benign dictator...

Yeah man making fuel efficiency rules permanent that were otherwise not necessarily permanent is benign dictatorship.

Centrism!

I am reacting to your "norms are doe and over with" comment. If you truly feel this way and feel we should just execute everyone that doesn't agree with us - then I can't follow you.

If you don't believe we should follow the rule of law, then you are a trumper in my opinion - just one of a different ilk.

What I hope, is that Trump is roundly defeated in the mid-terms and then again in 2020.

What I hope doesn't happen is we replace one Trump with another...

Dude, what???

I'm talking about things like making DC and Puerto RIco states or making federal laws that make elections more accessible - make Sunday election day, let voters register online etc. instead of leaving it up to the states.

Those are the 'norms' the Democrats should knock down if Dems are ever in power again - ones that weaken democracy and increase disenfranchisement.

[gtn130]

And regarding appointing justices, here the options the Dems have:

A) Stick to the norms. Only Republican presidents get to appoint Supreme Court justices when the Senate is controlled by the opposition party.

B) Justices are only appointed when the same party controls the White House and Senate.

Both options are bad for democracy, but dckingsfan finds himself picking the option that massively benefits the Republicans and is far more harmful to democracy.

[dckingsfan]

gtn - are we talking mileage rules or ???

We went from mileage rules to appointing justices.

Does Pruitt's changing of the rules on mileage targets relate to appointing justices?

Or is it just a general rant in general and not about a specific topic?

[stilldropin20]

Pruitt is killing it for the trump agenda. But we get it. You don’t like trump. Resist Trump at all costs. There is only one way to govern. You’re way. Elections only have consequences when your guy wins.


http://www.businessinsider.com/why-trump-should-keep-scott-pruitt-at-epa-2018-4


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[dckingsfan]

And instead of throwing a hissy fit about some rule that probably doesn't make sense (more and more trucks are being built and less cars - which are regulated). Run on this:

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/12/health-care-top-issue-for-voters-could-hurt-republicans-in-midterms.html

[gtn130]

And instead of throwing a hissy fit about some rule that probably doesn't make sense (more and more trucks are being built and less cars - which are regulated). Run on this:

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/12/health-care-top-issue-for-voters-could-hurt-republicans-in-midterms.html

The person throwing a hissy fit is you lol.

I literally began my first post with "who cares?"

[stilldropin20]

Seems like this is pretty much the obama game plan from November 8th until Jan 20th. The entire Obama administration and every single department acted just like this.
You know, it was Obama in 2008 when I first heard the term “elections have consequences.”

Why couldn’t this man just step aside after his party lost the way George Bush did for him?

As you rightfully point out, "elections have consequences." Obama's term as president ended on Jan. 20, 2017. So he and his administration had every legal right to continue to govern after Nov. 8, 2016, including making the changes in fuel mileage targets that were made before Jan. 20, 2017.

So what's the problem?

Quite frankly, I think Obama did the country a favor by trying to mitigate, wherever possible, the damage that the orange idiot and his administration were likely to do.

And do we really know that the Bush Administration didn't do similar things between the time Obama was elected and the time Obama took office?

I actually don’t have a problem with governing through January 20. That’s fair. But booby trapping the DOJ? Preemptively coordinating all kinds of leaks to dirty it up and muck it up as much as possible? Not cool. They have now giving trump all kinds of ammo to make a complete mess of things when he exits.

As for Bush when he left office. I think he purposefully rolled out the red carpet for Obama because mainstream media was right there to call him a racist at every single turn if he did anything like what Obama did to trump. And that was probably the right move by the Bush administration. I didn’t like Bush as a president at all nor virtually any decision he made while in office but when he left…that was Classy. He exited stage left and fully allowed the next guy in line to fully govern and unite the country after an election. Why didn’t Obama do the same? Because of birther crap? That’s petty and country suffered.

And we were long overdue for an African-American president so bush did the right thing. The markets at also just crashed so it was a time to unite and come together and solve problems with bipartisan legislation. And frankly Bush was even more bewildered and even more over his head than Obama. So he was more than happy to let go of the reins.


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[Wizardspride]

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[DCZards]

SD20, I don't think you want to use the word "classy" in any discussion that compares Trump and Obama. Does #45 even know how to spell the word?

[dckingsfan]

And instead of throwing a hissy fit about some rule that probably doesn't make sense (more and more trucks are being built and less cars - which are regulated). Run on this:

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/12/health-care-top-issue-for-voters-could-hurt-republicans-in-midterms.html

The person throwing a hissy fit is you lol.

I literally began my first post with "who cares?"

My apologies - I really didn't mean YOU throwing a hissy fit. It was the general hissy fit thrown about the mileage rules.

And if your first post was "who cares" then

You have it right - it doesn't matter - there are much bigger fish to fry.

[dckingsfan]

We did okay for him down in Houston too

https://www.texastribune.org/2018/04/03/orourke-says-he-raised-staggering-67m-first-quarter-2018/

[Wizardspride]

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[cammac]

We did okay for him down in Houston too

https://www.texastribune.org/2018/04/03/orourke-says-he-raised-staggering-67m-first-quarter-2018/

Indications he is in single digits plus I don't believe that Cruz is that popular and he spent much of his 1st term running for President. Cruz has a very low likability factor but tough for Democrats.

[closg00]

We did okay for him down in Houston too

https://www.texastribune.org/2018/04/03/orourke-says-he-raised-staggering-67m-first-quarter-2018/

Indications he is in single digits plus I don't believe that Cruz is that popular and he spent much of his 1st term running for President. Cruz has a very low likability factor but tough for Democrats.

Nice that he is raising some money, but he has zero chance to win TX.

[cammac]

Disaster averted!

A New Richmond-area teenager who carried an AR-15 rifle in his car raised concerns among coworkers after saying he was going "to shoot kids,"

According to a criminal complaint:The official said he'd learned from employees that Cherrier had made threats of violence, kept an assault rifle in the trunk of his car and discussed "purchasing armor piercing ammo, and a bullet proof vest, to shoot a bunch of kids," the complaint states.

Deputies found several "Don't Tread on Me" flags on the walls of Cherrier's room

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/4/5/1754818/-Potential-AR-15-gun-massacre-of-kids-averted-in-Wisconsin

[cammac]

Jeff Sessions will likely go down as the worse AG in American history.
But it could have been worse. Spanky MacTrump was considering firing Sessions and replacing him with Scott Pruitt. Beam me up Scotty caught in another lie:

Environmental Protection Agency chief Scott Pruitt both knew about and supported massive raises for two of his longtime aides, despite denying having any knowledge of the action, The Washington Post reported on Thursday.

Citing two EPA officials familiar with the decision and a White House official, the Post said Pruitt instructed agency officials to give a $56,765 raise to Sarah Greenwalt and a $28,130 raise to Millan Hupp. Both women worked with Pruitt in Oklahoma where he served as attorney general and followed him to Washington, according to The Atlantic, which first reported the salary bump

He had quoted to Fox News!

“I found out this yesterday and I corrected the action, and we are in the process of finding out how it took place and correcting that going forward,” Pruitt said after attempting to duck the question several times. Henry later asked if the EPA chief was “embarrassed” by the size of the raises

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/scott-pruitt-raises-washington-post_us_5ac7199ae4b07a3485e2eb9b

[Jamaaliver]

The issues with China are escalating.

If DJT had issue with China's trade deficit and intellectual property theft, he should have kept the US in the Trans Pacific Partnership. It was designed to help alleviate the influence of China on these exact issues.

Spoiler:

Trump withdrew the U.S. from the TPP as soon as he took office in January 2017, saying he preferred to negotiate bilateral trade deals. Japan spearheaded the drive to keep it alive among the remaining 11 members, in a bid to balance China’s growing clout in the region. It was finally agreed last month.

"If they recognize the situation, the U.S. can work with Japan and with Asean as well, and even draw in Europe, so that we can create fair and open rules on trade and investment for all countries," Amari said. Bloomberg News

Trump says trade war is "already lost," and he "probably won't" attend White House Correspondents Dinner

President Trump said in a radio interview aired Friday that the U.S. isn't in a trade war because the trade war is "already lost,".

Mr. Trump explained why he is going after China on tariffs. On Thursday night, Mr. Trump announced he has directed the U.S. Trade Representative to consider an additional $100 billion in new tariffs on China, in response to China's decision to slap $50 billion in tariffs on U.S. imports. China's $50 billion was a response to the White House's announcement of $50 billion in tariffs on China. But Mr. Trump insisted that the U.S. isn't in a trade war — in the past he has called trade wars "good, and easy to win" — because the U.S. already "lost" a trade war.

"Well, fellas, we've already lost the trade war," the president said. "We don't have a trade war. We've lost the trade war because for many years, whether it's Clinton or the Bushes, Obama, all of our presidents before, for some reason it just got worse and worse. And now it's $500 billion in deficits and a theft of $300 billion in intellectual property. So you can't have this."

CBS News

[dckingsfan]

We did okay for him down in Houston too

https://www.texastribune.org/2018/04/03/orourke-says-he-raised-staggering-67m-first-quarter-2018/

Indications he is in single digits plus I don't believe that Cruz is that popular and he spent much of his 1st term running for President. Cruz has a very low likability factor but tough for Democrats.

Nice that he is raising some money, but he has zero chance to win TX.

We are going to try our damndest