Official Trade Thread Part XLV

[NatP4]

I’d be all over Paul Reed. Great player, with a bright future. Just turned 24.

Philly could use a number of guys off our roster: Wright, Shamet, Gallinari, Muscala.

[Frichuela]

Surprised no one has brought this up yet…I wonder “what” we’d get in return…

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[80sballboy]

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Not much, but I guess he's not going to play much so might as well get something.

[nate33]

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Not much, but I guess he's not going to play much so might as well get something.

Yeah, I'm dubious on how such a deal could work out.

With the amount of salaries being included in any Lillard trade, it's certainly possible that the Shamet's salary could be slipped in under the 125% rule sort of like how we absorbed Dinwiddie into the Westbrook deal. But where I'm dubious is that Miami is probably going to be absorbing a lot of extra salary in the Lillard for picks and filler transaction in the first place - the salary absorbed would be part of what makes the trade palatable for Portland. I seriously doubt there will be extra room available for Miami to roll in Shamet as well - particularly in light of the new CBA that makes it more and more difficult for tax apron teams to add talent.

I'd love to unload Shamet if we can get anything positive in return. It's nothing against him, but he is a bit too old and a bit too mediocre to be in our long term plans. I'd rather give his minutes to Johnny Davis, Bilal Coulibaly, Corey Kispert, and Jordan Poole.

[payitforward]

I’d be all over Paul Reed. Great player, with a bright future. Just turned 24.

Philly could use a number of guys off our roster: Wright, Shamet, Gallinari, Muscala.

Agreed... only problem is that I think they are high on him too!

[payitforward]

Absolutely.
He's that odd case of a player who gets worse rather than better, but he's still useful -- for somebody but not us.

Should be able to get a R2 pick or a young kid at another position. But we might need to wait until the billiard balls get moved around the table a bit....

[80sballboy]

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Not much, but I guess he's not going to play much so might as well get something.

Yeah, I'm dubious on how such a deal could work out.

With the amount of salaries being included in any Lillard trade, it's certainly possible that the Shamet's salary could be slipped in under the 125% rule sort of like how we absorbed Dinwiddie into the Westbrook deal. But where I'm dubious is that Miami is probably going to be absorbing a lot of extra salary in the Lillard for picks and filler transaction in the first place - the salary absorbed would be part of what makes the trade palatable for Portland. I seriously doubt there will be extra room available for Miami to roll in Shamet as well - particularly in light of the new CBA that makes it more and more difficult for tax apron teams to add talent.

I'd love to unload Shamet if we can get anything positive in return. It's nothing against him, but he is a bit too old and a bit too mediocre to be in our long term plans. I'd rather give his minutes to Johnny Davis, Bilal Coulibaly, Corey Kispert, and Jordan Poole.

At 26, Shamet would be younger than Kuzma (27), Cooks (27), Tyus (27) Muscala (32) and Gill (30), if he's still around. I assume 34-year old Gallo will be gone.

[nate33]

Not much, but I guess he's not going to play much so might as well get something.

Yeah, I'm dubious on how such a deal could work out.

With the amount of salaries being included in any Lillard trade, it's certainly possible that the Shamet's salary could be slipped in under the 125% rule sort of like how we absorbed Dinwiddie into the Westbrook deal. But where I'm dubious is that Miami is probably going to be absorbing a lot of extra salary in the Lillard for picks and filler transaction in the first place - the salary absorbed would be part of what makes the trade palatable for Portland. I seriously doubt there will be extra room available for Miami to roll in Shamet as well - particularly in light of the new CBA that makes it more and more difficult for tax apron teams to add talent.

I'd love to unload Shamet if we can get anything positive in return. It's nothing against him, but he is a bit too old and a bit too mediocre to be in our long term plans. I'd rather give his minutes to Johnny Davis, Bilal Coulibaly, Corey Kispert, and Jordan Poole.

At 26, Shamet would be younger than Kuzma (27), Cooks (27), Tyus (27) Muscala (32) and Gill (30), if he's still around. I assume 34-year old Gallo will be gone.

Yeah, and I'd happily get rid of Cooks, Gill, Gallo and Muscala too. It's okay to keep one or two as veteran mentors, but if they were all gone, I wouldn't mind at all.

Kuzma and Tyus are slightly different because they are actually starting caliber NBA players. Yeah, they're too old to be part of our future core, but it's okay to have one or two vets who can carry some of the load so that the youngsters don't have to take on a role they're ultimately not suited to handle. Also, there's the real possibility that they play themselves into higher trade value because they will have the opportunity to do so.

[80sballboy]

Yeah, I'm dubious on how such a deal could work out.

With the amount of salaries being included in any Lillard trade, it's certainly possible that the Shamet's salary could be slipped in under the 125% rule sort of like how we absorbed Dinwiddie into the Westbrook deal. But where I'm dubious is that Miami is probably going to be absorbing a lot of extra salary in the Lillard for picks and filler transaction in the first place - the salary absorbed would be part of what makes the trade palatable for Portland. I seriously doubt there will be extra room available for Miami to roll in Shamet as well - particularly in light of the new CBA that makes it more and more difficult for tax apron teams to add talent.

I'd love to unload Shamet if we can get anything positive in return. It's nothing against him, but he is a bit too old and a bit too mediocre to be in our long term plans. I'd rather give his minutes to Johnny Davis, Bilal Coulibaly, Corey Kispert, and Jordan Poole.

At 26, Shamet would be younger than Kuzma (27), Cooks (27), Tyus (27) Muscala (32) and Gill (30), if he's still around. I assume 34-year old Gallo will be gone.

Yeah, and I'd happily get rid of Cooks, Gill, Gallo and Muscala too. It's okay to keep one or two as veteran mentors, but if they were all gone, I wouldn't mind at all.

Kuzma and Tyus are slightly different because they are actually starting caliber NBA players. Yeah, they're too old to be part of our future core, but it's okay to have one or two vets who can carry some of the load so that the youngsters don't have to take on a role they're ultimately not suited to handle. Also, there's the real possibility that they play themselves into higher trade value because they will have the opportunity to do so.

Tyus might be our best chance of getting a non-lottery first-round pick by the trade deadline. I feel that he'll shed the "best backup point guard in the NBA" moniker in the first three months of the season.

[pcbothwel]

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Not much, but I guess he's not going to play much so might as well get something.

Yeah, I'm dubious on how such a deal could work out.

With the amount of salaries being included in any Lillard trade, it's certainly possible that the Shamet's salary could be slipped in under the 125% rule sort of like how we absorbed Dinwiddie into the Westbrook deal. But where I'm dubious is that Miami is probably going to be absorbing a lot of extra salary in the Lillard for picks and filler transaction in the first place - the salary absorbed would be part of what makes the trade palatable for Portland. I seriously doubt there will be extra room available for Miami to roll in Shamet as well - particularly in light of the new CBA that makes it more and more difficult for tax apron teams to add talent.

I'd love to unload Shamet if we can get anything positive in return. It's nothing against him, but he is a bit too old and a bit too mediocre to be in our long term plans. I'd rather give his minutes to Johnny Davis, Bilal Coulibaly, Corey Kispert, and Jordan Poole.

I have to think that Winger and co are still trying to expand the Beal trade to allow us to get a bigger TPE. Sending Shamet to someplace like Brooklyn could net us a ~20M TPE when rolled into the Beal trade. That to me is more interesting than an expiring + future 2nd.

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Yeah, and I'd happily get rid of Cooks, Gill, Gallo and Muscala too. It's okay to keep one or two as veteran mentors, but if they were all gone, I wouldn't mind at all.

Now you're talking!
& if we were to keep 1 of the four, I'd prefer it be Cooks, b/c we haven't really had a look at him, he excelled in Australia, he's dirt cheap, & he's under our control for 3 years. If he turns out to be good, he'll be a useful trade chip.

Kuzma and Tyus are slightly different because they are actually starting caliber NBA players. Yeah, they're too old to be part of our future core, but it's okay to have one or two vets who can carry some of the load so that the youngsters don't have to take on a role they're ultimately not suited to handle. Also, there's the real possibility that they play themselves into higher trade value because they will have the opportunity to do so.

Agree again. Above all b/c, whatever else is true, we need a marketable name on the team.

Plus, right now we have 16 guys w/ guaranteed contracts. It'd be nice to have roster room to sign at least one more young guy if someone stood out in SL (not just on our team, obviously) & to keep Vukcevic if it looks like a good idea.

Which means at least 3 of the 16 need to go: Wright, Gallo & Muscala are the most obvious -- simply b/c they are the oldest. Gill too I guess, but he's a 4, & Kuz is the only other one on the roster.

[NatP4]

I’d love to go after Killian Hayes. Plenty of young guards take 3-4 full seasons before becoming efficient. He plays great defense, and is a really good playmaker. 8 assists to 3 turnovers per 36.

About to turn 22. There’s plenty of upside still. Marcus Smart didn’t become decently efficient and able to shoot until year 5 at 24 years old.

[payitforward]

Not much, but I guess he's not going to play much so might as well get something.

Yeah, I'm dubious on how such a deal could work out.

With the amount of salaries being included in any Lillard trade, it's certainly possible that the Shamet's salary could be slipped in under the 125% rule sort of like how we absorbed Dinwiddie into the Westbrook deal. But where I'm dubious is that Miami is probably going to be absorbing a lot of extra salary in the Lillard for picks and filler transaction in the first place - the salary absorbed would be part of what makes the trade palatable for Portland. I seriously doubt there will be extra room available for Miami to roll in Shamet as well - particularly in light of the new CBA that makes it more and more difficult for tax apron teams to add talent.

I'd love to unload Shamet if we can get anything positive in return. It's nothing against him, but he is a bit too old and a bit too mediocre to be in our long term plans. I'd rather give his minutes to Johnny Davis, Bilal Coulibaly, Corey Kispert, and Jordan Poole.

I have to think that Winger and co are still trying to expand the Beal trade to allow us to get a bigger TPE. Sending Shamet to someplace like Brooklyn could net us a ~20M TPE when rolled into the Beal trade. That to me is more interesting than an expiring + future 2nd.

The Beal trade still hasn't been reported in? I.e. made final?

The more future picks the better. OTOH, what would you have in mind to do with a $20m TPE at present?

[pcbothwel]

Yeah, I'm dubious on how such a deal could work out.

With the amount of salaries being included in any Lillard trade, it's certainly possible that the Shamet's salary could be slipped in under the 125% rule sort of like how we absorbed Dinwiddie into the Westbrook deal. But where I'm dubious is that Miami is probably going to be absorbing a lot of extra salary in the Lillard for picks and filler transaction in the first place - the salary absorbed would be part of what makes the trade palatable for Portland. I seriously doubt there will be extra room available for Miami to roll in Shamet as well - particularly in light of the new CBA that makes it more and more difficult for tax apron teams to add talent.

I'd love to unload Shamet if we can get anything positive in return. It's nothing against him, but he is a bit too old and a bit too mediocre to be in our long term plans. I'd rather give his minutes to Johnny Davis, Bilal Coulibaly, Corey Kispert, and Jordan Poole.

I have to think that Winger and co are still trying to expand the Beal trade to allow us to get a bigger TPE. Sending Shamet to someplace like Brooklyn could net us a ~20M TPE when rolled into the Beal trade. That to me is more interesting than an expiring + future 2nd.

The Beal trade still hasn't been reported in? I.e. made final?

The more future picks the better. OTOH, what would you have in mind to do with a $20m TPE at present?

1) My understanding is that the Poole extension does not kick in until tomorrow (7/6). If that is the case, then the whole trade is held up.
2) ~20M TPE has a lot of interesting options. Lonzo, Fournier, Morris, Duncan Robinson, Powell... But my bet would be Valanciunas.

[closg00]

Glad to see Portland & Philly playing hardball with Dame/Harden, and their suiters, it will be interesting to see how it shakes-out.

[nate33]

I’d love to go after Killian Hayes. Plenty of young guards take 3-4 full seasons before becoming efficient. He plays great defense, and is a really good playmaker. 8 assists to 3 turnovers per 36.

About to turn 22. There’s plenty of upside still. Marcus Smart didn’t become decently efficient and able to shoot until year 5 at 24 years old.

Good thinking. He's a classic "second draft" type of guy. I think we're already at the point where Detroit will trade him for peanuts. And if not that, they'll keep him this season but he won't get the minutes to improve, so they'll ultimately let him walk this summer in free agency.

[mhd]

I’d love to go after Killian Hayes. Plenty of young guards take 3-4 full seasons before becoming efficient. He plays great defense, and is a really good playmaker. 8 assists to 3 turnovers per 36.

About to turn 22. There’s plenty of upside still. Marcus Smart didn’t become decently efficient and able to shoot until year 5 at 24 years old.

Good thinking. He's a classic "second draft" type of guy. I think we're already at the point where Detroit will trade him for peanuts. And if not that, they'll keep him this season but he won't get the minutes to improve, so they'll ultimately let him walk this summer in free agency.

I mean, we could have swapped him for Morris if Detroit was ready to give up on him and we didn’t. Maybe the new FO doesn’t like him

[gambitx777]

I hope we can get in on some kind of dame or harden mega deals and steal something good!

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[Mulhollanddrive]

Suns fan here, just wondering your thoughts on Jordan Goodwin?

Do you see him on our team as a Starter, Rotation Player or Depth?

Is he okay on offense or does it feel like he has a lot to learn as a PG and with shooting?

[gambitx777]

Suns fan here, just wondering your thoughts on Jordan Goodwin?

Do you see him on our team as a Starter, Rotation Player or Depth?

Is he okay on offense or does it feel like he has a lot to learn as a PG and with shooting?

He's a 24 year old undrafted guy who really put in a lot of work. He's a solid bench player and will probably get minutes for you at point !

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