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Official Trade Thread Part XLVI

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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLVI 

Post#1341 » by doclinkin » Fri Jul 12, 2024 10:38 pm

Clippers interested in Tyus Jones


Tyus Jones, HoopsHype’s top free agent on the board, is continuing to receive interest as a sign-and-trade candidate from several teams, including the Los Angeles Clippers, league sources told HoopsHype.

The Clippers can dangle some combination of the expiring contracts of PJ Tucker and Russell Westbrook and could offer draft pick compensation or Bones Hyland to the Washington Wizards for helping to facilitate a potential sign-and-trade trade.

With the Clippers re-signing James Harden, adding Kevin Porter Jr. in free agency, and reportedly in line to acquire Kris Dunn via a sign-and-trade, Hyland could potentially become expendable.

Jones, who just turned 28, started all 66 games he played in Washington last season and averaged career-highs in points (12), field goal percentage (.489), 3-point range (.414), and assists (7.3).


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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLVI 

Post#1342 » by payitforward » Fri Jul 12, 2024 11:54 pm

I'm not surprised at the interest in Tyus, who had an absolutely great season for us. One of his 2 or 3 best ever -- & he hasn't had any bad seasons!
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLVI 

Post#1343 » by closg00 » Thu Jul 18, 2024 8:47 pm

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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLVI 

Post#1344 » by Dat2U » Thu Jul 18, 2024 9:30 pm

payitforward wrote:I'm not surprised at the interest in Tyus, who had an absolutely great season for us. One of his 2 or 3 best ever -- & he hasn't had any bad seasons!


Yet he still remains unsigned and no one seems interested in re-signing him.

PGs that don't put pressure on the defense just aren't in demand.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLVI 

Post#1345 » by tontoz » Fri Jul 19, 2024 7:42 pm

Jones can shoot/pass/take care of the ball and that does have value. I just dont think he is as valuable as he thinks. His lack of defense and rim pressure make it hard to visualize him as a quality starter.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLVI 

Post#1346 » by WallToWall » Mon Jul 22, 2024 1:26 am

Regarding Tyus ...
Sign him to a nice [declining?] contract. Keep him till the trade deadline, and spend the next 1/2 season giving him enough time to not go rusty and still show what he can do. Come playoff time, there will be teams looking for backup PG, or even a starter. Injuries happen, older players decline, etc. Then he will become valuable to other teams again.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLVI 

Post#1347 » by Frichuela » Mon Jul 22, 2024 1:43 am

WallToWall wrote:Regarding Tyus ...
Sign him to a nice [declining?] contract. Keep him till the trade deadline, and spend the next 1/2 season giving him enough time to not go rusty and still show what he can do. Come playoff time, there will be teams looking for backup PG, or even a starter. Injuries happen, older players decline, etc. Then he will become valuable to other teams again.


Sign Tyus and then what? let Bub Carrington ride the pine? No thanks. Just let him sign with someone else. I rather they start developing and giving minutes to Bub from the beginning,

Tyus/Brondon/Poole will surely get 100% of the minutes at PG and the bulk of minutes at SG.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLVI 

Post#1348 » by payitforward » Mon Jul 22, 2024 2:31 pm

Right now we are at 14 plus 2 guys on whom we have options -- Butler & Omoruyi. I assume we're planning to keep Butler. I.e. no roster spot available for Tyus.

We also have Champagnie & Vuk on 2-way deals. If we're really adding Funk (why?), that's that.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLVI 

Post#1349 » by gambitx777 » Tue Jul 23, 2024 9:38 pm

payitforward wrote:Right now we are at 14 plus 2 guys on whom we have options -- Butler & Omoruyi. I assume we're planning to keep Butler. I.e. no roster spot available for Tyus.

We also have Champagnie & Vuk on 2-way deals. If we're really adding Funk (why?), that's that.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLVI 

Post#1350 » by closg00 » Sun Aug 4, 2024 6:03 pm

?? If-true then no protector for Alex? Do we think we can flip for a FRP later?
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLVI 

Post#1351 » by nate33 » Sun Aug 4, 2024 6:42 pm

closg00 wrote:?? If-true then no protector for Alex? Do we think we can flip for a FRP later?
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I'm sure the Wizards will be open-minded to moving him after December, but I doubt it will happen. The market has already spoken on the value of JV: it's less than the MLE. No team is going to trade much for a guy who was available for sub-MLE money 6 months earlier.

The other issue is that JV isn't really the plug-and-play type of player that a contender would look to add in preparation for a playoff run. JV is the opposite. He is a good minutes eater in the regular season but is the kind of guy who is less useful in the playoffs because he isn't a rim protector or a switchable defender.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLVI 

Post#1352 » by payitforward » Sun Aug 4, 2024 7:01 pm

gambitx777 wrote:
payitforward wrote:Right now we are at 14 plus 2 guys on whom we have options -- Butler & Omoruyi. I assume we're planning to keep Butler. I.e. no roster spot available for Tyus.

We also have Champagnie & Vuk on 2-way deals. If we're really adding Funk (why?), that's that.
Omoruyi needs too go!

For sure, tho for some reason I have a soft spot for Omoruyi. I like it when guys come out of nowhere & make the league.

That said, given that they re-signed Gill it seems inevitable that Omoruyi's option will be declined.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLVI 

Post#1353 » by payitforward » Sun Aug 4, 2024 7:03 pm

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closg00 wrote:?? If-true then no protector for Alex? Do we think we can flip for a FRP later?
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I'm sure the Wizards will be open-minded to moving him after December, but I doubt it will happen. The market has already spoken on the value of JV: it's less than the MLE. No team is going to trade much for a guy who was available for sub-MLE money 6 months earlier.

The other issue is that JV isn't really the plug-and-play type of player that a contender would look to add in preparation for a playoff run. JV is the opposite. He is a good minutes eater in the regular season but is the kind of guy who is less useful in the playoffs because he isn't a rim protector or a switchable defender.

To put it even more simply: if JV could be traded for a FRP, he would have been re-signed & traded as a way to "buy" a FRP on the cheap.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLVI 

Post#1354 » by doclinkin » Sun Aug 4, 2024 11:57 pm

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closg00 wrote:?? If-true then no protector for Alex? Do we think we can flip for a FRP later?

I'm sure the Wizards will be open-minded to moving him after December, but I doubt it will happen. The market has already spoken on the value of JV: it's less than the MLE. No team is going to trade much for a guy who was available for sub-MLE money 6 months earlier.

The other issue is that JV isn't really the plug-and-play type of player that a contender would look to add in preparation for a playoff run. JV is the opposite. He is a good minutes eater in the regular season but is the kind of guy who is less useful in the playoffs because he isn't a rim protector or a switchable defender.


I say we will see. If the refs keep calling things like they did in the 2nd half of the season, there will be room for low-post only bigs, even if they aren't racking high block numbers. Consider the teams that went deep into the play-offs this past year. Most, with the exception of the eventual champs, relied heavily on front court heavyweights. The difference with the Celts is they have reliable 3pt shooting from absolutely every position. But otherwise TWolves, Mavs, Knicks, Cavs, Bucks, Lakers, Thunder, all go large in the front court.

If Brother Jonas shows up well against heavyweight teams who expect to contend, I think we will see teams realize they need a beast on the bench as an option. If the refs call it loose all year and allow more clutching and grabbing, then drop-only centers have more value since outside defenders can play it close on outside shooters, plus stall the dribble drive attack long enough for the rim protector to recover. If teams are forced to pull up or step back into long ranged shots then the frontcourt rebounding monster has higher utility.

The teams that advanced in the playoffs were not winning with a pick and pop strategy, but with attacks at the rim. Notice Jonas went for 20 boards in game 1 vs the Thunder. Was the starter for NOP who had the best +/- on the team despite the series loss. OKC noticed, they recruited Isaiah Hartenstein to fill the position.

The teams that advanced in the playoffs were the teams that rebounded the best.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/best-rebounding-team-in-playoffs-this-year

Would not be surprising if that trend continued and contending teams notice. Yes the market has not caught up with the way the games have been called. Or maybe front offices don't believe it will stick. That fans like high scoring games. Maybe. But given that nobody is stopping 3pt shooting, I think winning teams will load up on front court boardsmanship to snatch all those outside shots that do miss. You can do that with long armed swarming rebounders at all positions, but if you have a guy with a +30% rebound rate, you don't need to commit your whole team to the task and can defend the transition attack better.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLVI 

Post#1355 » by payitforward » Mon Aug 5, 2024 1:05 am

This is spot on, doc.

Here's a simple arithmetic way to look at it.

The way 3-point shooting helps teams win games is that it makes 50% more points available from a single shot, yet 3 pt attempts go in more than 2/3 as often as 2 point shots.

IOW, if Joe Blow shoots 2-pointers at 50% & 3-pointers at 36%, then I want him shooting 3-pointers. Duh.

OTOH, if 2-pt misses turn into offensive boards more often than 3-pt misses, you have to factor that in as you decide how many you shoot of either kind. Ditto if 2 point attempts are fouled more often than 3 point attempts.

Obviously, the analysis would have to be far more fine-grained (& multi-variant) than the above, but you get my point.
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLVI 

Post#1356 » by Skybox » Mon Aug 5, 2024 5:14 pm

How is Brogdon still there? I figured he wouldn't even be fitted for a jersey...him too, I bet (no offense-just different priorities atm)
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Post#1357 » by Frichuela » Tue Aug 6, 2024 4:58 pm

Following the Lauri news, is there a chance we trade Kuz to the Warriors?

Kuzma for Wiggins+2025 1st (top 5 protected) + 2030 (protection lowered to top-8 from top-20) would be a dream...

I'd be happy to add a Kispert for Moody swap if need be...

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Post#1358 » by Frichuela » Tue Aug 6, 2024 5:00 pm

Skybox wrote:How is Brogdon still there? I figured he wouldn't even be fitted for a jersey...him too, I bet (no offense-just different priorities atm)


Brogdon makes a lot of sense for ORL and your DEN 2025 1st is an appetizing prize for the Wizards....maybe a trade happens by the trade deadline?
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Re: Official Trade Thread Part XLVI 

Post#1359 » by Skybox » Tue Aug 6, 2024 7:06 pm

Frichuela wrote:
Skybox wrote:How is Brogdon still there? I figured he wouldn't even be fitted for a jersey...him too, I bet (no offense-just different priorities atm)


Brogdon makes a lot of sense for ORL and your DEN 2025 1st is an appetizing prize for the Wizards....maybe a trade happens by the trade deadline?



I'd love that...ORL has extended and re-upped guys, so salary matching would have to be worked out.

I guess it would be Cole Anthony & Gary Harris...but, now I'd be hesitant to give up those guys (both have good deals and are very viable rotation players) for an expiring Brogdon. ORL should have pursued him before re-upping everyone.
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Post#1360 » by CntOutSmrtCrazy » Tue Aug 6, 2024 7:52 pm

Frichuela wrote:Following the Lauri news, is there a chance we trade Kuz to the Warriors?

Kuzma for Wiggins+2025 1st (top 5 protected) + 2030 (protection lowered to top-8 from top-20) would be a dream...

I'd be happy to add a Kispert for Moody swap if need be...

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Jazz are rebuilding and not suckers enough to trade a do it all forward for a low-ball return like we did. This is what a well run franchise does even if you hate Ainge. Lauri is 4 years older than Deni, too.

Keep dreaming if you think Kuzma will ever net anything more than a filler and a mid-first (and you are going to need a desperate team like Dallas was, but I guess there are one or two of those every year). This offseason is basically gone to show us that we are obviously the only franchise that has such a high opinion of Kyle Kuzma the basketball player. Being a nice guy off the court and a good player on the court are two different stories that some keep trying to conflate to burnish Kuzma's standing in this league among front offices.

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