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What Should the Wizards Should Do with the 5th Pick?

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What Should the Wizards Should Do with the 5th Pick?

Poll ended at Mon May 25, 2009 2:07 am

A. Trade the pick
49
46%
B. Draft Best Player Available (No preference)
5
5%
C. Draft Evans
11
10%
D. Draft Harden
17
16%
E. Draft Curry
7
7%
F. Draft DEJUAN BLAIR (CCJ's Advice)
3
3%
G. Draft Hill
8
8%
H. Draft ___________ (Your preference)
6
6%
 
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Re: What Should the Wizards Should Do with the 5th Pick? 

Post#1341 » by DCZards » Thu Jun 11, 2009 4:41 pm

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3 - I can live with Howard being a pothead if he can come in and play like Joe Johnson circa 2004. I'd like to keep the relationship strictly business and as long as he can perform on the court, the marijuana issues are relatively minor in comparison to party boats, unregistered gun charges, or even soliciting prostitutes. I think in the wake of his ankle injury it's the perfect time to buy low on him as it is with Elton Brand.


Josh Howard has had frequent and serious problems with both ankles. He's averaged 68 games a year the past 3 seasons and only played in 52 games last season. Why would we even consider taking a chance on someone like that...unless we're trying to field the "All-Injured Team."
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Re: What Should the Wizards Should Do with the 5th Pick? 

Post#1342 » by MF23 » Thu Jun 11, 2009 4:51 pm

I think the staff works out players because they aren't lazy. I'd guess the FO would want to work out over 50 different players and then add the work out observations into some sort of grade system. I'm starting to fall for the idea of drafting Curry. I just see him as a potential franchise player and working his talent into the roster would work IMO.

If the Wizards keep the pick my #1 choice is Curry. I think he has a lot of upside but is good enough to contribute now.
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Re: What Should the Wizards Should Do with the 5th Pick? 

Post#1343 » by LyricalRico » Thu Jun 11, 2009 4:58 pm

WizarDynasty wrote:Any decent basketball mind can see that Hill is an upgrade over Jamison in the post.


Really? Then why is his stock dropping like a rock? IIRC he's at or near 6'10 w/o shoes and athletic as all get out. If Hill's post game was NBA ready, he'd be put in the class with Griffin and Rubio as the cream of this draft. But people who evaluate NBA talent for a living are apparently considering taking very raw guard prospects over him to the point that he might slide to the lower end of the lottery. That doesn't tell you anything?

Okay, why don't you post another thread on a public forum making the statement quoted above. Or are you afraid your theory will go down in flames just like your "Marvin Williams is better than Caron Butler" theory did when you posted it on the Trade Board?
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Re: What Should the Wizards Should Do with the 5th Pick? 

Post#1344 » by LyricalRico » Thu Jun 11, 2009 5:05 pm

MF23 wrote:I think the staff works out players because they aren't lazy. I'd guess the FO would want to work out over 50 different players and then add the work out observations into some sort of grade system.


Excellent point. Any GM worth his salt would workout prospects across the spectrum because you never know what can happen. They need to be prepared to pick at #5 or to pick in the mid-late first if a trade happens. They might acquire more second round picks so they need to work those types of guys out as well.

And if you have a list of guys you like, even if they are drafted by other teams you may have the opportunity to acquire them down the road. I think Ernie is smart to work out lots of guys regardless of what his plans for the #5 may actually be.
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Re: What Should the Wizards Should Do with the 5th Pick? 

Post#1345 » by dobrojim » Thu Jun 11, 2009 5:37 pm

^

it might be called due diligence

You never know what deals might be available so you better know
as much as possible about as much as possible
A lot of what we call 'thought' is just mental activity

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Re: What Should the Wizards Should Do with the 5th Pick? 

Post#1346 » by doclinkin » Thu Jun 11, 2009 6:08 pm

dobrojim wrote:^

it might be called due diligence

You never know what deals might be available so you better know
as much as possible about as much as possible


Also provides a thumbnail sketch for scouting reports on players picked by other teams. Add to Abe's multi-billiondollar video databank and scouting thinktank. Okay, maybe not. But it should...

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Re: What Should the Wizards Should Do with the 5th Pick? 

Post#1347 » by WizarDynasty » Thu Jun 11, 2009 6:57 pm

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WizarDynasty wrote:Any decent basketball mind can see that Hill is an upgrade over Jamison in the post.


Really? Then why is his stock dropping like a rock? IIRC he's at or near 6'10 w/o shoes and athletic as all get out. If Hill's post game was NBA ready, he'd be put in the class with Griffin and Rubio as the cream of this draft. But people who evaluate NBA talent for a living are apparently considering taking very raw guard prospects over him to the point that he might slide to the lower end of the lottery. That doesn't tell you anything?

Okay, why don't you post another thread on a public forum making the statement quoted above. Or are you afraid your theory will go down in flames just like your "Marvin Williams is better than Caron Butler" theory did when you posted it on the Trade Board?


First off we are making a comparison between a 33 year old non shot blocking 6'7.75Antwon Jamison that has no post game to speak off versus a 22 year old explosive, 31 inch no step-35 inch two step, midrange jumping, shotblocking, 6'9.25 powerforward with a high motor and without a questionable background and automatically is the best defensive rebounder on the team.
Obviously NBA scouts must not realize that Blatche is not that good if he can't beat out Jamison for the starting powerforward slot and he has been on team for 4 years. Apparently Blatche must have a major deficiency if he can't beat out an over the hill non shotblocking , non defensive playing 33 year old powerforward.
These scouts apparently don't watch wizards games and understand that Jamison is the worst starting defensive powerforward in the eastern conference and has never even made all nba third team once in his entire 11 year career. Not one powerforward on the roster can be considered a dominant defensive rebounder so getting a powerforward that is consider by many a dominant rebounder makes him even more valuable to us since we don't HAVE a dominant rebounder on the team and I assume that since you challenged my statement....i can make the assumption that you feel Jamison has an effective post game at age 33 going up against the average eastern conference starting p/f. I highly disagree. Hence, Hill is a major upgrade over Jamison, Blatche, and Songalia since none of them have ever shown to be consistently above average defensive rebounders like Hill has already demonstrated in his short career. Anyone that thinks McGee has the lateral quickness to be a starting p/f really needs to get their head examined, he is a center in the Kareem Abdul Jabar mold.
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Re: What Should the Wizards Should Do with the 5th Pick? 

Post#1348 » by McGeeNArenas » Thu Jun 11, 2009 7:03 pm

MF23 wrote:I think the staff works out players because they aren't lazy. I'd guess the FO would want to work out over 50 different players and then add the work out observations into some sort of grade system. I'm starting to fall for the idea of drafting Curry. I just see him as a potential franchise player and working his talent into the roster would work IMO.

If the Wizards keep the pick my #1 choice is Curry. I think he has a lot of upside but is good enough to contribute now.



Before I belittle your post,

did you really mean to say Curry is a FRANCHISE player?

Like a Lebron, Wade, Kobe, Howard, Duncan, KG, Arenas, Amare, Bosh etc type of Franchise player? Someone we can build around?

anxiously waiting your reply.
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Re: What Should the Wizards Should Do with the 5th Pick? 

Post#1349 » by Dat2U » Thu Jun 11, 2009 7:21 pm

McGeeNArenas wrote:
MF23 wrote:I think the staff works out players because they aren't lazy. I'd guess the FO would want to work out over 50 different players and then add the work out observations into some sort of grade system. I'm starting to fall for the idea of drafting Curry. I just see him as a potential franchise player and working his talent into the roster would work IMO.

If the Wizards keep the pick my #1 choice is Curry. I think he has a lot of upside but is good enough to contribute now.



Before I belittle your post,

did you really mean to say Curry is a FRANCHISE player?

Like a Lebron, Wade, Kobe, Howard, Duncan, KG, Arenas, Amare, Bosh etc type of Franchise player? Someone we can build around?

anxiously waiting your reply.


Well Curry measures up pretty well with those players when it comes to b-ball IQ & skillset and honestly that's not something to overlook. Personally I don't think he's athletic enough to be a franchise player but he will be pretty damned good IMO. Maybe even an all-star quality point guard.

I've liked Curry better than Harden for months and now would even put him slightly above Evans on my board. Curry will not be as bad a defender as people think and honestly I think Gil may be more successful at guarding bigger SGs than quicker PGs.
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Re: What Should the Wizards Should Do with the 5th Pick? 

Post#1350 » by McGeeNArenas » Thu Jun 11, 2009 7:38 pm

Dat2U wrote:
McGeeNArenas wrote:
MF23 wrote:I think the staff works out players because they aren't lazy. I'd guess the FO would want to work out over 50 different players and then add the work out observations into some sort of grade system. I'm starting to fall for the idea of drafting Curry. I just see him as a potential franchise player and working his talent into the roster would work IMO.

If the Wizards keep the pick my #1 choice is Curry. I think he has a lot of upside but is good enough to contribute now.



Before I belittle your post,

did you really mean to say Curry is a FRANCHISE player?

Like a Lebron, Wade, Kobe, Howard, Duncan, KG, Arenas, Amare, Bosh etc type of Franchise player? Someone we can build around?

anxiously waiting your reply.


Well Curry measures up pretty well with those players when it comes to b-ball IQ & skillset and honestly that's not something to overlook. Personally I don't think he's athletic enough to be a franchise player but he will be pretty damned good IMO. Maybe even an all-star quality point guard.

I've liked Curry better than Harden for months and now would even put him slightly above Evans on my board. Curry will not be as bad a defender as people think and honestly I think Gil may be more successful at guarding bigger SGs than quicker PGs.


I don't believe it for a second. Curry will be a starter on a lottery team and a bench player, possibly not even the 6th man, on a contender.

I can't believe how much people are overrating this tweener. Shooting and heart alone can't make up for his size and lack of an ideal position at the next level.

The cherry on top is saying his skillset is comparable to ELITE players like Lebron or Kobe.
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Re: What Should the Wizards Should Do with the 5th Pick? 

Post#1351 » by WizarDynasty » Thu Jun 11, 2009 7:38 pm

Dat2U wrote:
McGeeNArenas wrote:
MF23 wrote:I think the staff works out players because they aren't lazy. I'd guess the FO would want to work out over 50 different players and then add the work out observations into some sort of grade system. I'm starting to fall for the idea of drafting Curry. I just see him as a potential franchise player and working his talent into the roster would work IMO.

If the Wizards keep the pick my #1 choice is Curry. I think he has a lot of upside but is good enough to contribute now.



Before I belittle your post,

did you really mean to say Curry is a FRANCHISE player?

Like a Lebron, Wade, Kobe, Howard, Duncan, KG, Arenas, Amare, Bosh etc type of Franchise player? Someone we can build around?

anxiously waiting your reply.


Well Curry measures up pretty well with those players when it comes to b-ball IQ & skillset and honestly that's not something to overlook. Personally I don't think he's athletic enough to be a franchise player but he will be pretty damned good IMO. Maybe even an all-star quality point guard.

I've liked Curry better than Harden for months and now would even put him slightly above Evans on my board. Curry will not be as bad a defender as people think and honestly I think Gil may be more successful at guarding bigger SGs than quicker PGs.

Evans is by far the best player next to Gil because he is bigger than Arenas on defensive and takes the playmaking and defensive stress off Arenas when guarding both sg's and pg's. I don't see Harden ever having the ability to effectively guard pg's and Curry will never have the ability to guard sg's. I see evans as having the ability to guard both. However, with Jamison guarding the post, Arenas is going to have more stress on his knees since opponents are dying to get into the paint since Jamison can't contest shots. With Hill, perimeter players are much more hesistent at attacking the rim since they know a shotblocker is waiting to alter their shot. Having Jamison logging heavy minutes automatically means that we need a guard that is going to excellent at stopping dribble penetration and to be able to relieve Arenas of guarding super quick perimeter players due to gil's knees. I think this fact alone eliminates some of the guard we are considering.
Haywood will always have to leave his man open since he is on the only true defense presence in the paint and each night specific plays are designed just to attack the side of post that Jamison is defending, and since Haywood always had to leave his man due to Jamison poor shot blocking presense, Haywood's man usually has an easy shot when the extra pass is made. So the player we choose has to be excellent at stopping dribble penetration since Jamison is going to logg heavy minutes defending the post.
Or we get a p/f that can give 35 high quality minutes on the court and supplants jamison as the starting p/f. We know that Blatche has failed to play at a high level whenever on the court for long stretches of time which is why Jamsion is still starter.

and this is why you don't draft sg with slow first step in lottery. they resort to crafty dribble moves to get an offensive advantage.."cough travel". Watch Harden's pivot foot move completely before he makes a dribble and shareef laughs. The guy has been getting away with this all through college due to his slow first step his shot is going to get blocked easily since he has no elevation and shoots the ball from the top of his head and he definitely doesn't have the quickness to cover point guards and relieve Gilbert's knees.
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HIll is our two way powerforward of the future with the high energy that blatche can't bring and McGee can't guard on the perimeter because of his lack of lateral quickness.
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Re: What Should the Wizards Should Do with the 5th Pick? 

Post#1352 » by AgentOvechkin08 » Thu Jun 11, 2009 7:59 pm

I posted this in the Trade thread, might as well post it here....

Wiretap says Wizards made offer for Ginobili


Please no.

Edit: I cant believe I did not see the thread for it
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Re: What Should the Wizards Should Do with the 5th Pick? 

Post#1353 » by Dat2U » Thu Jun 11, 2009 8:16 pm

McGeeNArenas wrote:
I don't believe it for a second. Curry will be a starter on a lottery team and a bench player, possibly not even the 6th man, on a contender.

I can't believe how much people are overrating this tweener. Shooting and heart alone can't make up for his size and lack of an ideal position at the next level.

The cherry on top is saying his skillset is comparable to ELITE players like Lebron or Kobe.


Well we just disagree on all aspects of this. IMO he's not a tweener, he does not lack an ideal position. He's legit PG thru and thru. He's got good size for a PG at 6-3 180 and showed decent strength in the athletic testing.

To me his skill level is 2nd in the draft only to Ricky Rubio. Please tell me where you find his skillset lacking.
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Re: What Should the Wizards Should Do with the 5th Pick? 

Post#1354 » by MF23 » Thu Jun 11, 2009 8:16 pm

McGeeNArenas wrote:

Before I belittle your post,



I'll go ahead and say belittle away. Please show me I don't know what I'm talking about. I've read a couple of your post and I want to read this post you were going to make.
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Re: What Should the Wizards Should Do with the 5th Pick? 

Post#1355 » by closg00 » Thu Jun 11, 2009 8:16 pm

Hmmm, I wonder why DeRozan got a solo workout with the Wiz today?
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Post#1356 » by AgentOvechkin08 » Thu Jun 11, 2009 8:35 pm

I would not put too much stock in these workouts...especially with EG.
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Re: What Should the Wizards Should Do with the 5th Pick? 

Post#1357 » by WizarDynasty » Thu Jun 11, 2009 8:48 pm

harden's work out video. 3:20 crab dribble due to a slow first step won't cut it.

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Re: What Should the Wizards Should Do with the 5th Pick? 

Post#1358 » by Donkey McDonkerton » Thu Jun 11, 2009 9:01 pm

WizarDynasty wrote:harden's work out video. 3:20 crab dribble due to a slow first step won't cut it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gf5ye0Fc ... rofilepage

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Re: What Should the Wizards Should Do with the 5th Pick? 

Post#1359 » by DCZards » Thu Jun 11, 2009 9:03 pm

WizarDynasty wrote:First off we are making a comparison between a 33 year old non shot blocking 6'7.75Antwon Jamison that has no post game to speak off versus a 22 year old explosive, 31 inch no step-35 inch two step, midrange jumping, shotblocking, 6'9.25 powerforward with a high motor and without a questionable background and automatically is the best defensive rebounder on the team.


The more you say about Hill the more it sounds like you're describing Chris Wilcox.

You also need to give AJ a little more credit. We're all are aware of his defensive shortcomings but to call him "over the hill" is a bit of an overstatement. The guy has been a consistent double-double machine for the past few days (can't say that about Wilcox) and AJ continues to soldier on even when it's obvious that he's tired and beat up.
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Re: What Should the Wizards Should Do with the 5th Pick? 

Post#1360 » by LyricalRico » Thu Jun 11, 2009 9:15 pm

WizarDynasty wrote:harden's work out video. 3:20 crab dribble due to a slow first step won't cut it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gf5ye0Fc ... rofilepage


Wow...that was completely unimpressive. Maybe that was the very end of a long workout, but I was hoping for more after his results at the combine.

I didn't see a lot of lift on his jumpshot. He didn't get very far above the rim on his dunks either, even on a full court break. He also seemed to need to gather himself to dunk when driving to the rim. Of course you have lots of guys who look great in workouts that can't really play, but I was hoping to see more from a guy projected in the top 5.

You know, with the beard, he looked like a bigger/stronger DeShawn Stevenson. Not sure that's worth a #5 overall. I posted a couple pages ago that it's possible he could slip and this video is making me consider it even more.

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