Official Trade Thread XIV: 6/14/10 - 12/22/10

[Ruzious]

Bucks fans have said point blank to Maggette+Gooden+Redd for Lewis+Hinrich deal. Gooden's deal sucks (lasts two years after Maggette expires), but I thought I read it was not as big as it was.

Yeah, I still haven't figured out what Milw was smoking when they signed Gooden. I wouldn't touch that contract.

Its an interesting concept if we want to go into FA this year (we'd save 15 Million in cap space) doing the deal. If the 10 mil garuntee is true, than Maggette and Lewis equal out and expire the same time. Then, its Gooden for 2 more year at a relatively reasonable rate. Considering he's been traded 1000 times, perhaps we could find a buyer.

True, it's worth considering - giving us more short-term considerations.

[Ruzious]

Getting back to trade suggestions, Al Thornton seems like the odd man out to me. And the Wiz need a 3rd guy capable of playing the point. Dallas sent 2 of their young guards to the D League. And with Butler now their starting 2 (according to RealGM's depth chart, anyway) and noone else behind Marion at the 3, maybe a Dom Jones for Al Thornton trade makes sense for both teams - with the Wiz chipping in a 2nd round pick since Jones has a higher upside. Jones' ability to play either guard position is a big plus going forward - though he's got to improve his jump shot - certainly doable. He is a physical tough defender who can penetrate.

With Jet Terry and Kidd, Dallas need youth and they spent 3 million to get Jones. Doubt they trade him away this soon. Honestly, I hope we try and trade Hinrich. Perhaps a McGee+Hinrich+Thorton for Batum+Andre Miller+filler trade could be done?

We're not trading Hinrich. We need PG depth with Wall's injury issues.

I like Ruzious' idea. I like any idea that sends out Thornton and brings back a serviceable guard. Any chance we could trade Thornton to Golden State for Acie Law? It's not that I particularly covet Law, it's just that he's a moderately disappointing player from the same draft class - so it's pretty much a lateral move for both teams, contract-wise and talent-wise.

Yeah, I wouldn't mind a Thornton for Law trade. I saw Law the other day on tv, and he looked quick. He might not be a total bust - just needs the confidence he seemed loaded with in college.

[pcbothwel]

I feel like Josh Howard will prove to be quite a bargin for the 3 million hes gettin paid. Maybe a 3-way with MIL. like mhd mentioned above with us sending Howard and gooden to contender for 2yr contract (expiring might be wishful thinking). I could easily see the Knicks, Jazz, Thunder, etc. needing a player like Howard in the Play-offs. Thoughts?

[forbes20]

I think this is a beauty....four team, and everyone makes out and Melo is happy.
Successful Trade Scenario: Trade ID #5773422

Washington Trade Breakdown
Incoming Players: Elton Brand, Andre Iguodala, Wilson Chandler, Chauncey Billups
Outgoing Players: Rashard Lewis, Kirk Hinrich, Andray Blatche, Josh Howard,

Philadelphia Trade Breakdown
Incoming Players: Rashard Lewis, Anthony Randolph
Outgoing Players: Elton Brand, Andre Iguodala

New York Trade Breakdown
Incoming Players: Carmelo Anthony
Outgoing Players: Eddy Curry, Wilson Chandler, Anthony Randolph, #1 NY

Denver Trade Breakdown
Incoming Players : Kirk Hinrich, Andray Blatche, Josh Howard, Eddy Curry, #1 from NY
Outgoing Players: Carmelo Anthony, Chauncey Billups

I think this works for all teams involved.

Why for Washington: they trade Lewis and get their sg and sf for the next 4 years to run with Wall. Iggy isn;t the best shooter but Chandler is. Iggy fills the boxscore with rebs and assists from the sg. I think Chandle is breaking out. We trade Blatche for Brand, who is everything Blatche isn't... he is older, a vet, a rebounder, plays defense, blocks shots, plays under the baskets. he has two years left at $35m (which is more than Blatches 29.5m over 4yrs), but by the time Booker and Sephine are ready, Brand will be expired. Who would you rather Wall learn from, Kirk or Billups... four guard rotation Wall, Billips, Iggy, Young. Billups has a TEAM option for next year, and we can let him walk to a contender to finish out his career.
Wall/Billups
Iggy/Young
Chandler/Thorton
Brand/Booker
McGee/Seraphin/Armstrong

NY: gets Melo and essentially gives up only Chandler and a first. gets to keep Gallinari

pHilly: Dumps $79m in salary over (not including this season) in Brand and Iggy, for $46m (not including this season) in Lewis and get a young prospect in Randolph. Clear the SG for Turner.

Denver: gets currys expiring, a 1st from NY, Blatche for their pf (KMart is expiring), and a flyer on Howard at a steal if he is healthy. better than nothing if Melo walks, and refuses to resign with NJN.

[forbes20]

sorry,.. dupe

[dopeismarcus]

Trade Blatche for anyone.

[willbcocks]

Forbes: I am all for stealing the assets of every other team in real life, but that is one of the most unrealistic trades I have seen on this board, ever.

[tontoz]

Yeah, I wouldn't mind a Thornton for Law trade. I saw Law the other day on tv, and he looked quick. He might not be a total bust - just needs the confidence he seemed loaded with in college.

Acie is quick but, like Thornton, can't shoot. I saw him a lot when he was with the Hawks. His shooting form is very awkward and ineffective. He also lacks hops so he struggles to finish inside.

He can definitely beat guys off the dribble but overall is a pretty unproductive player. However with both Howard and Rashard here it is unlikely Thornton will get any time at all so it would probably be a good move.

[mhd]

Actually, Thorton for Barea makes sense for both teams. Barea can be a 3rd PG and spark while Thorton gives Dallas a wing who can defend and be a needed athlete.

[mhd]

A WTH deal I came up with:

Wiz trade: McGee+Lewis for Brand+Batum+Andre Miller
76ers trade: Brand+Turner for Roy+Phrysbilla
Por trades Batum+Roy+Phrysbilla for Lewis+McGee+Turner

Philly gambles on Roy as it is looking like Turner doesn't fit at all next to Iggy (Roy would be an excellent fit).

Por rebuilds quickly around Turner, McGee, and Aldridge

Wiz get major cash and cap savings next year while adding a needed vet big man in Brand.

[willbcocks]

I don't see us moving Lewis. He is unmovable except for a longer contract (arenas), but we are a team rebuilding through youth, so we're not going that direction. He will be with us this year, next year if there is a strike, and then get cut (for 10 million bucks, chew on that) before 2012-2013.

I don't think we will see any significant moves this year. They're going to keep Kip as a veteran and to backup 1/2. They will give Booker/McGee/Blatche/Young/Seraphin an extended chance to prove themselves.

Josh Howard seems happy enough in his role here and Armstrong, bad as he might be, is doing what we are paying him to do.

That leaves Yi and Thornton. Maybe one of these guys will be swapped for a bad expiring pg. If so, that'll be the biggest move remaining this year. It's time to take off the shoes, light the pipe, and get ready to nap in front of the television.

[mhd]

I'd try and negotiate a buyout with lewis. There is no point in playing him. I'd rather Booker get everyone of his minutes.

[mhd]

I don't see us moving Lewis. He is unmovable except for a longer contract (arenas), but we are a team rebuilding through youth, so we're not going that direction. He will be with us this year, next year if there is a strike, and then get cut (for 10 million bucks, chew on that) before 2012-2013.

I don't think we will see any significant moves this year. They're going to keep Kip as a veteran and to backup 1/2. They will give Booker/McGee/Blatche/Young/Seraphin an extended chance to prove themselves.

Josh Howard seems happy enough in his role here and Armstrong, bad as he might be, is doing what we are paying him to do.

That leaves Yi and Thornton. Maybe one of these guys will be swapped for a bad expiring pg. If so, that'll be the biggest move remaining this year. It's time to take off the shoes, light the pipe, and get ready to nap in front of the television.

I'm looking, bot good god is that number high. He is the definition of untradeable. He has no "upside" (something Gilbert does). He sucks, and we are stuck with the bumb. Really, the only teams that have the large cap numbers are the Bucks, Portland, Philly, and the Bobcats. The Bucks make sense to me.

[willbcocks]

I think Lewis can play a somewhat useful role on our team. He is soft but plays some defense and can shoot. Also he did just play on a winning organization for several years. And he doesn't seem to be the type to pout/cause problems if he's not getting touches. In other words, he is a bad player but probably not a distraction.

Consequently I see no hope buying him out. It will be a decision made on dollars and cents. Leonsis already said he wouldn't eat tens of millions of dollars on Gil, and the situation with him/Wall actually was becoming a distraction. Lewis knows he's not getting paid again and will probably be happy collecting his massive paycheck and swiping his time card. The potential lockout also discourages a buyout--why pay him to go away now when you can pay him to be a backup at a position of need (3/4) and might not have to pay him at all in 2011-2012? The year after that, if I have read correctly, he can be cut for 10 million (or allowed to continue playing for 22 million or so) so he'll be cut then, if not earlier through some provision in the new labor agreement.

[AceDegenerate]

It's funny that for all the talk of Gil being such a bad fit/influence/whatever with Wall that nobody has mentioned Rashard's juicing issues. Sure hope he doesn't introduce Wall to his pharmacist.

Everyone wants to pretend Rashard is going to fit in here and be just a swell guy. By all accounts he was collecting a pay check and mailing it in in Orlando for the past couple years. Even the most respected posters on their forum were saying as much. It is absolutely ridiculous to assume this guy is going to rejuvenate this team, or his career.

[willbcocks]

Oh I totally expect him to mail it in. And I did post somewhere in this massive jungle of things that I hope Contract doesn't shoot dope into any of our players' behinds.

I simply don't think he will be a distraction. Arenas was. It was not his fault--it was more like he was caught in the perfect storm, first with the gun incident (happening in DC, Abe Pollin's history and death), then with an underperforming team that got dismantled and won the lottery rights to a potential superstar at the same position.

There is a certain pathetic clarity with Contract that was absent with Gil.

[TGW]

Expect to see this lineup alot for the rest of the season:

Wall
Young
Howard
Lewis
Blatche

Methinks this team is going to make us average enough the rest of the way to bump us down from a top lottery ball contender to around 6-9. Hopefully Shart and Howard go down (is that wrong?).

[willbcocks]

That team has no interior defense. Also Wall is still a bad rookie defender at this point in time. The reason our defense was so good tonight was because Kip was out there so there were no holes on the perimeter and Miami is a perimeter team. We would have to get seriously improved production out of Wall and Blatche to win more than 25 games with that lineup.

It'll be interesting to see what Flip does with the lineup. I would start Shard but only play him 20 minutes a game. I want him out there with Wall so that Wall has someone to spread the D, but then again I don't want him out there that much.

I'd like to see

Wall
Young
Shard
Blatche
McGee

where the first sub is Howard in for Mcgee, then Hinrich in for young. I wouldn't have a problem with McGee or Young coming off the bunch as long as they get minutes.

[Dat2U]

Shart's days of playing the 3 effectively are long over. He's a stretch four and a poor one at that. He looked passable in Orlando at the 4 playing next to a monster in Dwight Howard.

Shart is Blatche's backup IMO. I guess you could look at him as a $20 million dollar replacement for Yi. Thank God Ernie filled that hole. :-/

[jimij]

I don't know Dat, Shart might be worth 20M if it means I never have to see Yi on the court again.....