Official Trade Thread XIX: 3/14/12 - 6/22/12

Post #1361 » by **LyricalRico** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:02 pm

Holy cow, fugop! That's awesome! And I can even see the other teams doing it. If the Bulls want a little more, I'd even include Mack and/or Singleton.

GUYANNAGRIZZLI · Post #1362 » by **GUYANNAGRIZZLI** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:19 pm

It would be a big mistake to acquire Hedo who is overpaid (2 year contract left), old and has only been efficient with Orlando
when he played for Pheonix it didn't worked for him
This guy must stay where he is and also playing for the Wiz isn't enthousiasming him at all IMO

Post #1363 » by **Ruzious** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:34 pm

FAH1223 wrote:
Upper Decker wrote:I don't know why, and I have nothing to base this off but I'm intrigued by Moultrie. He has good length for a PF, scouts say he's a good perimeter shooter and should be a solid rebounder in the pro's. Seems like a good fit, but I don't know much about him, and I don't see how the Wiz get a late lotto/mid-first to pick him up.

horrible defender

Yeah, in the games I saw of him, he showed very little interest in defense, but he does have the tools to be a very good defender. There's no doubt that he could flop unless he gets a lot more serious, but the talent is there.

Higga · Post #1364 » by **Higga** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:53 pm

fugop wrote:In light of the news that Chicago may want to trade Deng for a lotto pick, what about something like this:

Washington trades:
#3 Pick
Rashard Lewis

Washington receives:
#6 pick
Luol Deng
Kyl Korver
CJ Watson

Portland trades:
#6 pick
#11 pick

Portland receives:
#3 pick

Chicago trades:
Luol Deng
Kyle Korver
CJ Watson

Chicago Receives:
#11 pick
Rashard Lewis

With the #6, we take Waiters, or Beal if he falls. Our lineup next year:

Wall/Watson/Mack
(Beal-Waiters)/Korver/Crawford
Deng/Singleton
Vesely/Booker
Nene/Seraphin

Watson and Korver would be on expiring deals. Deng has another year left on his deal. Deng is 27 years old, but has an injury history.

That's a damn good trade. I'd make it in a heartbeat.

fishercob · Post #1365 » by **fishercob** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:16 pm

nate33 wrote:That would be an incredible trade for us!

I could see Chicago going for it too. They get younger and tank for a season while Rose is out while grooming their #11 pick. Meanwhile, they clear a bunch of cap room and prepare to reload for the 2013/14 season when Rose gets back. It's a bold move that requires one step back to move two steps forward, but there's logic to it.

Portland is the big question. I don't think they trade #6 + #11 for #3. Not in this draft.

I dont think Chicago does this. Korver and Watson are both non-guaranteed (did I even see somewhere that they won't pick up Watson's option?), so there's no savings by dumping them. Essentially for them it's Deng for a year of $13.7M for dead money and a #11. They can do better.

Also, I don't think POrtland gives up #11 to move up 3 spots.

Post #1366 » by **LyricalRico** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:38 pm

^ What if CHI got the #7 instead of the #11? We wouldn't get Deng, but could still upgrade our depth.

Wiz trade: Lewis, Singleton, Crawford, and Mack
Wiz receive: M.Williams, Klieza, Brewer, Watson, and #23

Bulls trade: Deng, Brewer, and Watson
Bulls receive: Lewis, Singleton, Crawford, and #7

Raptors trade: Calderon, Klieza, and #7
Raptors receive: Deng and Mack

Hawks trade: M.Williams and #23
Hawks receive: Calderon

Atlanta saves a year of salary for a guy who they benched and they replace Hinrich. Toronto gets a starting quality SF to try to compete next season. Chicago cuts some longterm salary and acquires a lottery pick plus young talent. Washington replaces youth with solid veterans and gets another first.

Nene/Seraphin
Booker/Vesely
Williams/Klieza
Beal(#3?)/Brewer
Wall/Watson

Great defensive team with a decent amount of shooting (assuming Beal lives up to his potential). We take BPA at #23. Should be able to compete for a playoff spot, but our cap flexibility is still in tact.

Dark Faze · Post #1367 » by **Dark Faze** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:10 pm

Not too sure why the Raptors would be interested in Deng. Seems pretty clear they are going to move DeRozan to SF full time and draft Lamb to play SG. 4 team trades are kind of rare anyway.

Post #1368 » by **penbeast0** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 3:06 am

People who don't know the Wiz keep making deals that give up the #3 to move Blatche . . . clearly that's not worth it. Question, with the development of KS and Ves, is it worth dealing Booker to move Blatche for another overpriced but better fitting and better locker room guy?

For example: Blatche and Booker to SAC for Francisco Garcia who is a solid if nothing special backup 3/2 with some outside shooting skills.

Nene/Seraphin
Seraphin/Vesely/J.Singleton
C.Singleton/Garcia
(Beal)/Crawford
Wall/Mack

If TRobinson is our guy, then this is even easier from our side . . .

willbcocks · Post #1369 » by **willbcocks** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 3:44 am

Booker does not move Blatche's contract because the amnesty option disappears if he's traded. It's really a situation where other teams lose a lot more taking on Blatche than we lose by not moving him, so it makes crafting a successful trade almost impossible.

Post #1370 » by **montestewart** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 3:59 am

penbeast0 wrote:People who don't know the Wiz keep making deals that give up the #3 to move Blatche . . . clearly that's not worth it. Question, with the development of KS and Ves, is it worth dealing Booker to move Blatche for another overpriced but better fitting and better locker room guy?

For example: Blatche and Booker to SAC for Francisco Garcia who is a solid if nothing special backup 3/2 with some outside shooting skills.

Nene/Seraphin
Seraphin/Vesely/J.Singleton
C.Singleton/Garcia
(Beal)/Crawford
Wall/Mack

If TRobinson is our guy, then this is even easier from our side . . .

If TRobinson is our guy, I say sign Singleton as a backup, trade Booker for some perimeter help, and amnesty Blatche. All the trades I see either take back bad contracts or give up assets, or both, negating the value of getting rid of Blatche's contract in one way or another. Amnestying accomplishes the same thing, without the cap hit, without the loss of assets. without bad contracts coming back.

Post #1371 » by **nate33** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 1:15 pm

willbcocks wrote:Booker does not move Blatche's contract because the amnesty option disappears if he's traded. It's really a situation where other teams lose a lot more taking on Blatche than we lose by not moving him, so it makes crafting a successful trade almost impossible.

Exactly. People need to stop with the Blatche trades. There is no Blatche trade acceptable to both teams that works better for us than simply amnestying him.

I feel the same way about Lewis trades. I don't really see any plausible Lewis trades that would make more sense for both teams than us simply buying him out.

GUYANNAGRIZZLI · Post #1372 » by **GUYANNAGRIZZLI** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 1:56 pm

Washington receive : Dorell Wright, GSW second round pick (35 overall)
Was trade : Booker, Crawford, Singleton

GSW receive : Kyle Lawrie, Crawford, singleton
Gsw trade : Dorell Wright, second round pick

Houston receive : Booker, Richard Jefferson
Houston trade : Lawrie

Was
Pg : Wall, Mack
Sg : Beal, Deron Lamb
Sf : Dorell Wright, Will Barton
F : Vesely, James Singleton
C : Seraphin, Nene

McGully Culkin · Post #1373 » by **McGully Culkin** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 2:14 pm

GUYANNAGRIZZLI wrote:Washington receive : Dorell Wright, GSW second round pick (35 overall)
Was trade : Booker, Crawford, Singleton

GSW receive : Kyle Lawrie, Crawford, singleton
Gsw trade : Dorell Wright, second round pick

Houston receive : Booker, Richard Jefferson
Houston trade : Lawrie

Was
Pg : Wall, Mack
Sg : Beal, Deron Lamb
Sf : Dorell Wright, Will Barton
F : Vesely, James Singleton
C : Seraphin, Nene

Yuck.

We are giving up WAY too much for Dorrell Wright and another 2nd round pick. If you looked this trade up in the dictionary, it would be under "fleeced."

Post #1374 » by **LyricalRico** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 2:54 pm

^ And we're not even getting the worst of it. HOU giving up their starting PG for two guys who would be bench players for them, possibly even third string?

:nonono:

Higga · Post #1375 » by **Higga** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 3:26 pm

GUYANNAGRIZZLI wrote:Washington receive : Dorell Wright, GSW second round pick (35 overall)
Was trade : Booker, Crawford, Singleton

GSW receive : Kyle Lawrie, Crawford, singleton
Gsw trade : Dorell Wright, second round pick

Houston receive : Booker, Richard Jefferson
Houston trade : Lawrie

Was
Pg : Wall, Mack
Sg : Beal, Deron Lamb
Sf : Dorell Wright, Will Barton
F : Vesely, James Singleton
C : Seraphin, Nene

GUYANNAGRIZZLI · Post #1376 » by **GUYANNAGRIZZLI** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 3:57 pm

Higga wrote:
GUYANNAGRIZZLI wrote:Washington receive : Dorell Wright, GSW second round pick (35 overall)
Was trade : Booker, Crawford, Singleton

GSW receive : Kyle Lawrie, Crawford, singleton
Gsw trade : Dorell Wright, second round pick

Houston receive : Booker, Richard Jefferson
Houston trade : Lawrie

Was
Pg : Wall, Mack
Sg : Beal, Deron Lamb
Sf : Dorell Wright, Will Barton
F : Vesely, James Singleton
C : Seraphin, Nene

Yeap, it may not be good
But it's a realistic trade, which is not the case of 90% of trade post in this forum

GUYANNAGRIZZLI · Post #1377 » by **GUYANNAGRIZZLI** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 4:01 pm

LyricalRico wrote:^ And we're not even getting the worst of it. HOU giving up their starting PG for two guys who would be bench players for them, possibly even third string?

Have you heard that Lowrie don't want to work anymore with Kevin Mchale
I think it's fair for Houston

Post #1378 » by **nate33** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 4:10 pm

GUYANNAGRIZZLI wrote:
LyricalRico wrote:^ And we're not even getting the worst of it. HOU giving up their starting PG for two guys who would be bench players for them, possibly even third string?

Have you heard that Lowrie don't want to work anymore with Kevin Mchale
I think it's fair for Houston

It's ridiculously bad for Houston. Lowry straight up for Booker is a bad deal in itself, but you have them absorbing Richard Jefferson's mammoth salary as well. I'm pretty sure Houston didn't struggle to get under the cap just so they could take on Richard freaking Jefferson.

How in the hell did Dorell Wright get this much trade value?

GUYANNAGRIZZLI · Post #1379 » by **GUYANNAGRIZZLI** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 4:24 pm

nate33 wrote:
GUYANNAGRIZZLI wrote:
LyricalRico wrote:^ And we're not even getting the worst of it. HOU giving up their starting PG for two guys who would be bench players for them, possibly even third string?

Have you heard that Lowrie don't want to work anymore with Kevin Mchale
I think it's fair for Houston

It's ridiculously bad for Houston. Lowry straight up for Booker is a bad deal in itself, but you have them absorbing Richard Jefferson's mammoth salary as well. I'm pretty sure Houston didn't struggle to get under the cap just so they could take on Richard freaking Jefferson.

How in the hell did Dorell Wright get this much trade value?

Maybe GSW will accept this deal without Crawford
So i think that Jefferson+Booker+Crawford is more acceptable for them
But Jefferson has big contract but he is still good and very professional veteran.

GUYANNAGRIZZLI · Post #1380 » by **GUYANNAGRIZZLI** » Wed Jun 20, 2012 4:34 pm

Dorell Wright is a 3point shooting machine at Sf
He makes two 3 pointers per game at 40% and 10ppg in 27 minutes
I think he is between 8 th to 10th better Sf in NBA
The problem is that he has only 1 year of contract left at 4 milions and Wiz could only have him 1 year