2012 NBA Draft - Part IV

[DCZards]

Common-on Ernie, find a way to get NO's 10th pick they are shopping.. Man, this is when you really need a guy like Pritchard or Presti who can pull-off mulitple moves on draft night.

I'm hope we're not about to rake EG over the coals if he doesn't get NO's 10th pick. We fans always have our wish list and ideal trades...GMs have to live in the real world.

[fishercob]

Chad Ford's Twitter: Bradley Beal 6'3.25" in socks, 6'4.75'' in shoes, 6'8'' wing span and 8'3'' reach. Pick him, he measures out extremely well.

The 8'3" reach is uninspiring, to be honest and it does call in to question Beal ability to play bigger than his height. Here are some of the successful NBA guys in DX database with an 8'3 reach or less:

Eric Gordon
Ben Gordon
Marcus Thornton
Kyrie Irving
Derrick Rose
Kirk Hinrich
Mo Williams
Avery Bradley
Devin Harris
Deron Williams
Monta Ellis
Jodie Meeks
JJ Redick


Not a lot of guys that finish at the rim or are considered successful defenders against bigger wings. It's not to say that Beal won't be a great NBA guy, but the measurement doesn't excite me considering Harden measured at 8'7.5', Tony Allen 8'6", etc. I dunno.

[Rafael122]

I disagree, he's a two guard. MKG is 6'5.75 in socks, 6'7.5'' in shoes, has a 7 inch wing span and 8'8.5'' reach. So put that in perspective, Beal is three inches shorter and their wingspans are close.

Anthony Davis has a 9 inch standing reach...and he's 7 inches taller than Beal, perspective.

[closg00]

Common-on Ernie, find a way to get NO's 10th pick they are shopping.. Man, this is when you really need a guy like Pritchard or Presti who can pull-off mulitple moves on draft night.

I'm hope we're not about to rake EG over the coals if he doesn't get NO's 10th pick. We fans always have our wish list and ideal trades...GMs have to live in the real world.

Understood, just hoping we can wheel- and- deal our way into a 2nd first round pick some-how. I don't think our last draft turned-out as well as it could have.

[nate33]

Chad Ford's Twitter: Bradley Beal 6'3.25" in socks, 6'4.75'' in shoes, 6'8'' wing span and 8'3'' reach. Pick him, he measures out extremely well.

I'm actually a little bit disappointed. His wingspan is solid and his height is a bit better than I thought, but I was hoping for a better standing reach since he appears to have a short neck. In reality, his standing reach is at the lower end of shooting guards and he looks more like a combo guard. Here's a list of guys with similar measurements to Beal:

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Name            Year   HTnoSH     HTwSH      Weight  Span     Reach
Bradley Beal    2012   6' 3.75"   6' 4.25"           6' 8"    8' 3"
Kirk Hinrich    2003   6' 2.75"   6' 3.75"   186     6' 6"    8' 2.5
Eric Gordon     2008   6' 2"      6' 3.25"   222     6' 9"    8' 3"
Marcus Thornton 2009   6' 2.75"   6' 3.75"   194     6' 5"    8' 3"
O.J. Mayo       2008   6' 3.25"   6' 4.25"   200     6' 6"    8' 3.5
Iman Shumpert   2011   6' 4.25"   6' 5.5"    222     6' 9.5"  8' 3.5
Rodney Stuckey  2007   6' 3.75"   6' 4.5"    207     6' 7.25" 8' 4.5

I guess some of it depends on whether you like wingspan or standing reach better. I think standing reach is more important for a big man who generally needs height to block shots, but one can argue that a guard might prefer wingspan because they need width and long arms to reach laterally for steals.

[nate33]

MKG is 6'5.75 in socks, 6'7.5'' in shoes, has a 7 inch wing span and 8'8.5'' reach.

Guys like MKG:

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Name            Year   HTnoSH     HTwSH      Weight  Span     Reach
Kidd-Gilchrist   2012   6'5.75"    6'7.5"             7'0"     8'8.5"
Tyreke Evans     2009   6'4"       6'5.25"    221     6'11.25" 8'8" 
Josh Childress   2004   6'5.75"    6'7.25"    196     6'11"    8'9" 
Blake Griffin    2009   6'8.5"     6'10"      248     6'11.25" 8'9" 
Xavier Henry     2010   6'5.25"    6'6.5"     210     6'11.25" 8'9" 
Al Thornton      2007   6'5.75"    6'7"       221     7'1"     8'8" 
Chris Singleton  2011   6'7.75"    6'9"       230     7'1"     8'7.5"
Luc Richard Mbah 2008   6'5.75"    6'7.5"     221     7'0.5"   8'7.5"

He's certainly got legit SF size.

[fishercob]

Here are all your measurements:


https://twitter.com/chadfordinsider/sta ... to/1/large
https://twitter.com/chadfordinsider/sta ... to/1/large


Go crazy, fellas.

Jae Crowder's reach is the same as Beal's...

[DCZards]

I have to say folks, I think we're making FAR too much of an inch or half inch here, and an inch or two there as it relates to Beal. The real questions, imo, relate to what Beal can do on the court. Does he give max effort? Can he shoot? Does he work hard on his game? And, maybe most importantly, what does the kid have between the ears? From what I can tell and what I've read, Beal comes up big on all of those questions.

[Nivek]

Barnes 6'8'' 6'11 wing span. Big boy.

His standing reach is 8-6, which is 2.5 inches below average for a drafted SF.

[fishercob]

I have to say folks, I think we're making FAR too much of an inch or half inch here, and an inch or two there as it relates to Beal. The real questions, imo, relate to what Beal can do on the court. Does he give max effort? Can he shoot? Does he work hard on his game? And, maybe most importantly, what does the kid have between the ears? From what I can tell and what I've read, Beal comes up big on all of those questions.

DCZ, I don't think anyone is making too much of it yet . No one is saying not to draft the guy or not to love him -- just that his measurements (the ones we have so far -- nothing yet on strength or speed) are not awe-inspiring in and of themselves.

[gesa2]

Sullinger measured out well - almost identical to Robinson. Kyle O'Quinn must have the arms of an orangutan, he's 6'81/2 but with a standing reach of 9'3". Zeller is 6'11.25 but his standing reach is only 8'8".

[nate33]

Holy crap, Andre Drummond is LONG! 6-11.75 in shoes. 7-6.5 wingspan.

Quincy Miller has great length too. 9-1 standing reach

Austin Rivers has terrible size. 8-1 standing reach. His shoulders must attach to his torso somewhere near his kidneys.

[nate33]

Tyler Zeller has a terrible standing reach of 8-8. That's weird since he's over 7 feet in shoes with a 7-foot wingspan.

The comparison of Sullinger and Robinson is odd. Both guys are 6-7.75 in socks. Robinson has an amazing 7-3.25 wingspan and Sullinger's wingspan is a respectable 7-1.25. But Sullinger has a one-inch greater standing reach. It's like his shoulders are mounted on top of his torso instead of on the sides.

[nate33]

Beal looks bigger than his 201 body weight suggests.

[Rafael122]

Do remember also, Beal is only 18, he has room to grow. I mean Wall has grown a couple of inches since turning pro right?

Just saw on Twitter than the Wizards are gonna work out Austin Rivers. Interesting, sign that they are looking at another first round pick?

[nate33]

Crowder isn't really any bigger than Beal. He has a 1.25" greater wingspan, and their standing reaches are identical.

Doron Lamb is even smaller than Beal. Same standing reach, shorter wingspan.

Draymond Green is only 6'-5.75" in socks, but he has a very respectable standing reach of 8-10 and a 7-1.25 wingspan. And his 11.25 body fat suggest he has room to improve his physique. He might be my new favorite second round pick. That guy is going to be a steal and should have a long career as a quality stretch 4.

[Rafael122]

Crowder isn't really any bigger than Beal. He has a 1.25" greater wingspan, and their standing reaches are identical.

Doron Lamb is even smaller than Beal. Same standing reach, shorter wingspan.

Draymond Green is only 6'-5.75" in socks, but he has a very respectable standing reach of 8-10 and a 7-1.25 wingspan. And his 11.25 body fat suggest he has room to improve his physique. He might be my new favorite second round pick. That guy is going to be a steal and should have a long career as a quality stretch 4.

Wouldn't be surprised if the Heat or Celtics draft him.

[DCZards]

DCZ, I don't think anyone is making too much of it yet . No one is saying not to draft the guy or not to love him -- just that his measurements (the ones we have so far -- nothing yet on strength or speed) are not awe-inspiring in and of themselves.

I hear ya, fish. I guess I'm just kinda old school with stuff like this and fear that with all the data available to us nowadays we overlook some of the most important stuff.

I wonder how a guy like Joe Dumars would "measure" by 2012 standards? Seems to be his length, reach, speed, etc. would not be all that impressive on paper. Although, I could be wrong about that.

[nate33]

I think Crowder falls after these measurements. He might be there for our #46 pick.

[Ruzious]

At first glance, I thought John Hanson was the big winner - with a 7'5 wingspan and 9'3.5 standing reach, but his weight was too low - at 216. Fab Melo measured well. The 2 Jones' - Kevin and Terrence both surprised me with great wingspans (TJ had 7'2.25!) and good standing reach. Kevin's makes up for his short height - 6'6.25 without shoes, but his body fat % was too high. Royce White had solid measurements - I think he does go top 20 - though I wouldn't pick him that high. White had the biggest hands at the combine - I think last year it was Leonard.