Official Trade Thread XXII (2/6/13 - 4/1/13)

tontoz · Post #1361 » by **tontoz** » Thu Mar 21, 2013 7:54 pm

Sample size is always a major issue when it comes to shooting. It is great to see Wall taking and making 3s but it is still less than a month's worth of games we are talking about.

I am not about to go making any predictions but i will be very happy if Wall becomes just an average perimeter shooter.

GhostsOfGil · Post #1362 » by **GhostsOfGil** » Fri Mar 22, 2013 5:32 pm

John Wall always had the ability to hit the occasional 3. But his shooting looks to be a product of his confidence. I'm not sure I'm ready to say he figured out how to shoot... So I'm a little worried that he'll start missing them just as fast as he started making them.

Dark Faze · Post #1363 » by **Dark Faze** » Fri Mar 22, 2013 7:55 pm

Tonights a great test for Wall. We're injured/limited offensively, he's facing a lot of length who's vulnerable to PNR/speedy PG play, against a star studded lineup that desperately wants to win some games.

sfam · Post #1364 » by **sfam** » Fri Mar 22, 2013 8:11 pm

GhostsOfGil wrote:John Wall always had the ability to hit the occasional 3. But his shooting looks to be a product of his confidence. I'm not sure I'm ready to say he figured out how to shoot... So I'm a little worried that he'll start missing them just as fast as he started making them.

It's a step in the right direction. Wall does not have a consistent jump shot yet, but its clear that when he's confident he can drain it. He's almost like the golfer with the great game when his driver is working, but who's game falls apart when he starts slicing his drives. Wall needs to spend the offseason working on it so that even when he's not confident, his shot can still fall, and perhaps turn his confidence around.

Post #1365 » by **LyricalRico** » Sat Mar 23, 2013 4:09 pm

What about this: Nene and our 2013 first to Utah for Kanter+Heyward? If Ariza opts out, we'd have max cap space this summer and and would still have flexibility in 2014 when Okafor's deal is up. And, of course, we get our PF of the future.

Ed Wood · Post #1366 » by **Ed Wood** » Sat Mar 23, 2013 4:17 pm

That would be unreasonably good, unfortunately unless something unexpectedly fortunate were to happen to the pick. I can't imagine but that both Hayward and Kanter are pretty highly valued and while Nene is better than Al Jefferson the Jazz have to be contemplating the best way to excise him from the roster to give Kanter and Favors more time as it is. I suppose there's some small chance that this turns out to be one of those situations in which an actual NBA decision maker would value more highly a veteran with some pretty well established positives than someone outside the game does but I doubt it.

It'd be pretty cool though, if that happened.

edit: Actually Nene probably isn't better than Jefferson. He's a better defender and a better facilitator and so I think I'd prefer to have him but not so much that I'd give up anything at all to swap the one for the other.

Upper Decker · Post #1367 » by **Upper Decker** » Sat Mar 23, 2013 4:19 pm

Doesn't Utah already have the GSW pick? So they'll have #11, #13, and #17 in this draft? That's a whole lot of meh! If they want a player like Nene they should just resign Jefferson.

hands11 · Post #1368 » by **hands11** » Sun Mar 24, 2013 4:30 am

Why are people focused on Trevor A opting out ? Has he shown anything that leads toward the idea that he would want to leave ?

When I look at the Wizards roster, SF seems to be pretty much covered. Its the least of my worries. They have two players who can play there. Both are still young. Both have slightly different skills. That is where they are the deepest. Webster is the better spot up shooter and leader. Trevor is longer and a better defender. Either could step up there game and become a legit starter.

If I'm the Wizards, I do what I can to keep him and Webster. 12M on two SFs, either of who can start is not a bad thing.

They could ride it out with those two while they address other needs that are bigger.

7-0 center bench back up
Nene replacement - he is good but they need a younger version that is a step better.
stretch 4
back up PG.
buck up SG

WizardsWorld · Post #1369 » by **WizardsWorld** » Sun Mar 24, 2013 9:10 am

LyricalRico wrote:What about this: Nene and our 2013 first to Utah for Kanter+Heyward? If Ariza opts out, we'd have max cap space this summer and and would still have flexibility in 2014 when Okafor's deal is up. And, of course, we get our PF of the future.

I'm not huge on these Kanter deals.... but if we end up falling down to like 8th or 9th pick and cant grab Porter... then this is a deal I could live with. However like someone else said I cant see the young and rebuilding Jazz interested in this deal... If they wanted a vet big theyd be better off just resigning Jefferson or Milsap and keeping Kanter/Heyward.

Post #1370 » by **Ruzious** » Mon Mar 25, 2013 11:34 am

Ed Wood wrote:That would be unreasonably good, unfortunately unless something unexpectedly fortunate were to happen to the pick. I can't imagine but that both Hayward and Kanter are pretty highly valued and while Nene is better than Al Jefferson the Jazz have to be contemplating the best way to excise him from the roster to give Kanter and Favors more time as it is. I suppose there's some small chance that this turns out to be one of those situations in which an actual NBA decision maker would value more highly a veteran with some pretty well established positives than someone outside the game does but I doubt it.

It'd be pretty cool though, if that happened.

edit: Actually Nene probably isn't better than Jefferson. He's a better defender and a better facilitator and so I think I'd prefer to have him but not so much that I'd give up anything at all to swap the one for the other.

Yeah, I think Utah would look very foolish if they let Jefferson go for nothing and then traded a very promising player for Nene.

likwitdesi · Post #1371 » by **likwitdesi** » Tue Mar 26, 2013 4:23 am

With where our pick is at right now, it won't get us Kanter or Favors unfortunately. At this time, I wonder if we can do:

Wiz pick + Vesely + Seraphin (to make salaries match) for Milsap (S+T) and one of the Utah picks.

I'm guessing they are going to really want Burke.

Dat2U · Post #1372 » by **Dat2U** » Tue Mar 26, 2013 4:39 am

Can't do a S&T with picks involved. The draft comes before free agency.

gambitx777 · Post #1373 » by **gambitx777** » Tue Mar 26, 2013 6:26 am

I'm still all for trading Wall and going after burke. But thats just me I just hope and pray that we do not waste second round picks like we normally do. There is some nice underrated and over looked talent that's going to be available in the second round of this draft.

DANNYLANDOVER · Post #1374 » by **DANNYLANDOVER** » Tue Mar 26, 2013 6:37 am

gambitx777 wrote:I'm still all for trading Wall and going after burke. But thats just me I just hope and pray that we do not waste second round picks like we normally do. There is some nice underrated and over looked talent that's going to be available in the second round of this draft.

lol you definitely fantasize too much on the trade thread. Trade Wall for Burke? won't trade a first round pick in this draft for Sanders because of guys like Olynyk? :lol:

TheKingOfVa360 · Post #1375 » by **TheKingOfVa360** » Tue Mar 26, 2013 4:18 pm

gambitx777 wrote:I'm still all for trading Wall and going after burke. But thats just me I just hope and pray that we do not waste second round picks like we normally do. There is some nice underrated and over looked talent that's going to be available in the second round of this draft.

Trading Wall for Burke would be one of the worst trades in NBA history. This is a bad draft :lol:

likwitdesi · Post #1376 » by **likwitdesi** » Tue Mar 26, 2013 5:14 pm

Dat2U wrote:Can't do a S&T with picks involved. The draft comes before free agency.

Can we agree to draft players for each other and then make a trade?

TGW · Post #1377 » by **TGW** » Tue Mar 26, 2013 5:43 pm

gambitx777 wrote:I'm still all for trading Wall and going after burke. But thats just me I just hope and pray that we do not waste second round picks like we normally do. There is some nice underrated and over looked talent that's going to be available in the second round of this draft.

Okay...so who do you trade Wall for? If that's the plan, you'd better get a helluva return for Wall...like a franchise bigman. Other than that, and your plan is not a good one.

Post #1378 » by **miller31time** » Tue Mar 26, 2013 8:15 pm

Man, I remember posting just under 2 months ago that the Wizards should sell high on their 1st round pick because it was going to lose value quickly as Wall and Nene came back. At that point, we were just starting to win some games but I don't think NBA GM's would take us seriously at all (thus giving our pick some serious bang for the buck).

Really wishing we followed through with that...

hands11 · Post #1379 » by **hands11** » Wed Mar 27, 2013 3:33 am

miller31time wrote:Man, I remember posting just under 2 months ago that the Wizards should sell high on their 1st round pick because it was going to lose value quickly as Wall and Nene came back. At that point, we were just starting to win some games but I don't think NBA GM's would take us seriously at all (thus giving our pick some serious bang for the buck).

Really wishing we followed through with that...

And did what ?

Post #1380 » by **miller31time** » Wed Mar 27, 2013 4:31 am

hands11 wrote:
miller31time wrote:Man, I remember posting just under 2 months ago that the Wizards should sell high on their 1st round pick because it was going to lose value quickly as Wall and Nene came back. At that point, we were just starting to win some games but I don't think NBA GM's would take us seriously at all (thus giving our pick some serious bang for the buck).

Really wishing we followed through with that...

And did what ?

Improved the team by trading a 1st rounder that had high perceived value along with a mid-sized contract for a player who could help this team.

If you want me to name specific trades, I'm not going through the trade checker for the numerous opportunities but I think it's pretty obvious our pick had higher value a few months ago and a trade then would have netted us a better package than (A) what it would fetch now or (B) what the drafted player will bring to our team.