Badonkadonk wrote:stilldropin20 wrote:We consume enough goods right here, in the good ol fashion USofA that we can become 100% self sufficient. Trump should get the Republicans together right now and float a law out there right now we’re all good consumed in the United States of America must be produced manufactured and procured solely from American goods.
Additionally we should tax all key exports at 50% right here right now.
Withdraw from NATO, the UN, the WTO, NAFTA, everything.
Not sure you understand how markets, capital flows and basic wealth generation actually happens, but if your goal is to punt the US economy to the dark ages and expedite the coronation China's economic dominance, then that's exactly what you should do.
I do NOT think you fully take into account all of the "threats" i outline in my theoretical trade negotiations.
Can you imagine what will happen to the entire world if the us withdraws from NATO and the UN? Based on this trade escalation with China? And what i'm really talking about is the USA taking its ball and going home. The end game would be how many other countries come with us?? I suspect 95% of the world sides with the USA including many asian, african, and central american countries and regions where good could still be made as cheaply. And I guarantee that nearly every single country from Europe joins the USA in ousting China. China would be forced to cave in. This is why its called negotiations through strength.
We would force the entire world right then and right there to decide their fate. Seriously How many countries want to be our ally over China??? To be our trade partner over china? To supply the US with Goods and services over China? To receive financial aid from the USA instead of china? To have military protection from the USA over china????
Come on. You haven't thought this through. nearly all of Europe would immediately join the USA. For all of Cammac's silly vitriol, Canada and mexico would join us immediately. All of these countries want a better deal with China. Mexico and centreal america benefit when China suffers as mexico will end up producing more goods....central and south america will all follow the USA and mexico where ever we go. they all want the USA to remain in NATO and the UN. They all want to retain the USA as a trade partner and military police of the world. No one wants to be in the cross hairs of the USA that has an "america first" policy. They all want to be a friend not a foe.
the only hope for all of these other countries that oppose the USA and oppose an "america first" policy is that the globalist via their global billionaires regain control of the USA (again) via their globally owned media and now social media. Right now, the American people have somewhat retained control of its nation again and the globalists are (somewhat) on the outside looking in.
Democrats are the party of the globalist.
The globalist want us to give up our wealth.
right now our wealth is still held in 4 major things: 1. extensive natural resources, 2. gold reserves (to pay for military if and or when WW3 breaks out and paper currency is severely less valued in world markets). 3. Current stock Military strength/weapons. 4. wealth held by the people (via land and savings/investments-in our markets).
. All of which tie together to afford us the most allies in case ww3 breaks out.
Quite simply we can self sustain our forces longer than any other country can. This is a great strength of ours. This is where our wealth is held. We purchased it through the 80's-current times. Obama tried to weaken us here so we could not negotiate from strength. trump has reversed that. we still have the most military might. and trump just "borrowed" nearly $1trillion more to re-inforce it. this is where your tax dollars go. So you may as well let those tax dollars go to a good cause. And an america first policy where your jobs, earning power, and lower income taxes is a good cause. If you are and American, at least. cammac is not. Pointgod is not. I repeat. they are not american, So who gives a fuq what they have to say about any of this????Anti-American globalists (AKA democrats) have been putting their hand picked, bought and paid for politicians in our highest offices for decades, centuries even, to remove that wealth from our country and spread it around the world so that these globalist can retain more of that wealth via their global holdings.
Where do you guys think China got their money from to invest in infrastructure to become a trading nation??????? Use your heads. Global investment bankers invested in China in the 70's and 80's to create the China you see today. Why enrich them at the expense of our own middle class????????
In short, badonkadonk, I think you overestimate how many countries would choose china over the USA. I doubt china gets more than 2-3 major countries to pick them over the USA...maybe Russia, maybe north korea and who else???? In effect, the USA could remove any country it targeted from the UN and from NATO
if the USA launched full-scaled assault on an "us or them" policy. China wants no part of that. Russia doesn't either.
They are simply bluffing. We know it. Trump knows it. All of trumps cabinet knows it. every person in congress knows it. (The problem is that many of those members of congress are bought and paid for by the globalists and global media is doing its part to scare the american people that better trade deals for the USA is bad thing!!!!! 
All of this is simply a large and all-encompassing "trade negotiation." If the USA went "all-in" and induced the entire rest of the world to induce banking and trade sanctions on China where china would no longer be given 3rd world status, no longer be allowed to manipulate their currency which allows them to produce goods so inexpensively where their citizens are grossly underpaid, no longer steal anyone intellectual property, and instead force China to make trade fair and balanced trade deals with all of the countries...that would be a GOOD THING for everyone not named China.
Or....Or....Or...This "trade war" can deescalate. And China can simply pay for its use of our intellectual property and accept tariffs until it balances it trade deficit with us??
You tell me whats better?
keep in mind we have another MAJOR ace up the sleeve in the amount of debt China has purchased from the USA. we can in fact manipulate our own economy, issue debt free notes(instead of bonds) in the amount of that debt (all of our debt really) and CRUSH the value of that debt over night. While the "american people" and our markets would not nearly be as affected as the rest of the world. China owns almost $5-6 trillion of our debt. If the USA immediately issued debt free NOTES instead of bonds in the amount of 5-6 trillion, the inflation that would be induced is in effect, defaulting on that debt. China would be set back at least half of a century. As would japan. The oil nations that own a sizable chunk of that debt would be the only countries that survive as they have the cleanest business model. just keep pumping oil. But we dont have to pay them back nor japan. Just china. We could make a separate deal with them to spare them the financial collapse. But the Bank of China would go under immediately. it would be decades before the BIS could force any type of reparation if any at all. and again, as I have said over and over, we can nationalize our entire central banking system with the stroke of the pen. We can reverse the federal banking act of 1913. keep the system. but "the people" would own it instead of the banks. It's our damn money. It's our damn debt. the collateral for the bank is our income taxes. We should own the damn central banking system, anyway!!! Ahhhh, but those fuqqing global bankers. Strong is their hold. Relentless is their tenacity.
like i said, its a full rebuild.
