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fishercob wrote:Chris Singleton -- #4 (!)Lockdown defender with 3-point range and, though he is a late bloomer on offense, he is ready-made for the NBA with the versatility needed to defend the 2-3-4 positions. Also showed great toughness and a desire to play by returning from a broken foot, whereas many would have shut it down and not risked the NCAA tournament.
fishercob wrote:Hoopalotta wrote:[Kanter is]A legit big-time face-up 4 who can bang and dominate down low
That seems like a rather gross contradiction - if you bang and dominate down low, you're pretty well not a face-up 4. Nope, I'd be looking at the other end of the physical spectrum there with advanced ball handling skills to boot. If Kanter's matched against 4's on offense, he should post them up or just hover around the basket.
Off the cuff, I'd also say that Turkey is definitely not the sort of country where we should be finding age uncertainty, so that should be settled one way or another shortly.
Just because someone attacks via a face-up game doesn't mean they don't bang. Look at KG, Boozer, Paul Millsap. They turn and face their man so they can beat them off the bounce or put a jumper in their face, but they're happy to initiate contact and bang on the boards. I think Gottlieb is convinced that Kanter has the skills to do just that, but also the physicality to withstand punishment with the big boys.
pancakes3 wrote:fishercob wrote:Chris Singleton -- #4 (!)Lockdown defender with 3-point range and, though he is a late bloomer on offense, he is ready-made for the NBA with the versatility needed to defend the 2-3-4 positions. Also showed great toughness and a desire to play by returning from a broken foot, whereas many would have shut it down and not risked the NCAA tournament.
that's all i needed to hear.
NBA Comparison: Luc Richard Mbah a Moute
Strengths: A small forward with terrific size and length for the position … He is an explosive leaper and has next level athleticism … A very good player in transition, he runs the floor extremely hard and is able to finish plays above the rim in open lane situations … His upper body is well built, and he has the strength to move defenders on drives to the basket … Has developed into a formidable catch and shoot threat … With his feet set he can shoot the ball with range and fairly consistently knock down jumpers from deep … Shows the ability to make shots from the NBA three point line … His biggest impact is on the defensive end, where his size, length, athleticism and terrific instincts make him a lockdown defender … He possesses all the tools to be able to translate his defense to the NBA level … Can guard multiple positions … His ability to anticipate and jump into passing lanes combined with shotblocking, make him a very rare threat on the defensive side of the ball … He is a blue-collar player and is capable of impacting the game without needing the ball in his hands or getting plays called for him … A solid rebounder, he is especially good on the O glass, where he uses his length and athleticism to get to rebounds …
Weaknesses: Not a natural wing player, he is not very smooth with the ball and does not have the ballhandling skills which would allow him to create his shot with consistency … Not a great scorer, lacks the feel and touch around the basket and depends too much on his physical prowess to get him thorough situations… Has the size and length to score with his back to the basket, but his poor footwork and bodycontrol make it hard for him to get good shots off inside … Still a very streaky shooter, especially on the move or off the dribble … He tends to shoot without squaring his body, his stroke is not the most natural, and his release comes too far off his head … His legs are fairly skinny but he is top heavy, which makes his movements awkward but it also gives him poor balance … Improved on his free throw percentage, but it’s still not where it needs to be …
Hoopalotta wrote:Well, to put it another way, I don't think Kanter has anything approaching the quickness to beat 4's off the dribble and there's not much precedent for guys his size doing so. To me, faceup-4 means your main advantage is some sort of perimeter based skill or quickness. At best, I could see Kanter working the face-up game against centers as Nene doe, but working out from 20' and putting the ball on the floor against guys like Kenyon Martin as a bread and butter sort of thing I just don't see.
nate33 wrote:Ahhh. It's nice to feel a little bit of good old fashioned optimism again. Kanter is the next Rony Siekaly. Biyombo is the next Dwight Howard. Kawhi Leonard is now a lights out shooter. Maybe we'll do okay with the 5th or 6th pick.
I need Dat2U to beat me over the head with his 2-by-4 of Reality.
So, Wall wants Derrick Williams or Enes Kanter... RT @washpostlive John Wall joined me to show off new #wizards look http://bit.ly/mu4PNS
keynote wrote:Mike Lee on twitter:So, Wall wants Derrick Williams or Enes Kanter... RT @washpostlive John Wall joined me to show off new #wizards look http://bit.ly/mu4PNS
So, no Irving?
Bickerstaff: who's up for kickball?!!
Ed Wood: Only if it's the no-pants variety.
Rafael122 wrote:keynote wrote:Mike Lee on twitter:So, Wall wants Derrick Williams or Enes Kanter... RT @washpostlive John Wall joined me to show off new #wizards look http://bit.ly/mu4PNS
So, no Irving?
I see what you did there, but we don't need another point guard and we shouldn't even think about doing some sort of dual PG system or whatever. It's Wall's team, all he needs is a backup that could play 10 minutes a game. We need a top 3 pick at this point to get either guy. I reckon once the workouts get started, Kanter will solidify himself as the 3rd best player in the draft.
Since Kentucky lost to UConn in the Final Four, Enes Kanter has been a bit of a mystery. Keeping a low profile, Kanter has been stashed away in Chicago for a month now at Attack Athletics training with the same man who worked out with MJ, Kobe and DWade: none other than Tim Grover (and his staff). Coming away impressed after checking him out a little over two months ago in Lexington, SLAM and CityLeagueHoopsTv were invited to come in and check out Enes before anyone else. We walked out of the gym in Chicago pondering whether or not Enes could ultimately wind up as the No. 1 pick in the 2011 NBA Draft.
The first thing that was noticeable about Kanter was how much better his body looked. Not that he was ever out of shape in the first place, the 6-11 Turk went from around 270 pounds in March to a shredded 258 pounds as of Monday. He claims that he wants to play at “around 265 or 270 pounds” in the NBA, but get his weight back up the right away. Either way, you couldn’t help but be amazed at the progress that he’s made on his body in such a short time frame. When pressed about what Grover and his camp have been working with him the most on, he immediately brought up his conditioning.
“They’ve been trying to get me in shape and I feel like I’m ready right now. I’m in great shape,” boasted the 18-year-old. “We are also working on my quickness and shot. In the NBA, I want to play both center and power forward. I want to be able to face-up and shoot the ball too.”
Having the chance to watch Enes shoot nearly 200 jumpers throughout the two workouts, we can tell you that this cat has certainly improved his J-work. He was nearly automatic inside of the European three point line, showing his potential to stretch the D as a 4/5 (whether he likes it or not, I’m sure he’s going to play some center). When the big man stepped out beyond the NBA arc, he showed off a smooth release and had solid, but not spectacular results shooting 13/25 and 15/25 respectively. More importantly, Enes made considerable improvement speeding up the release of his shot and cleaning up the loose ends of his form. “We worked on my form a lot because I used to drop my left hand every time and now they yell at me ‘left hand up!’ each time I shoot,” explained Kanter with an infectious smile. “Before, my elbow was out a little bit when I shot. Now it’s not, and I’m shooting the ball much better.”
In workouts of this setting, it’s often hella difficult to completely gauge all of a player’s skills. Many skills such as rebounding, basketball IQ, team defense, and things of that nature are impossible to get a legit feel for in something like this. But we were able to check out Enes doing his thing down on the blocks. The European sensation made a number of routine left and right hand hooks before finishing the workout with a dunk exhibition, including him nearly taking off from the free-throw line.
theboomking wrote:Interviewer: "I would like to see Derrick Williams of Arizona. Do you have a wish list of a guy you'd like to have if you had the number one pick?
Wall: "Uh yeah, I'd like to see him or Enes Kanter. I think those are the two big guys that could help us..."
Interviewer:"You're a guy that likes to compete night in and night out...where do you think the teams improvement will come from"
Wall: "Power forward and center"
I guess Wall isn't in love with Blatche and McGee.
theboomking wrote:Interviewer: "I would like to see Derrick Williams of Arizona. Do you have a wish list of a guy you'd like to have if you had the number one pick?
Wall: "Uh yeah, I'd like to see him or Enes Kanter. I think those are the two big guys that could help us..."
Interviewer:"You're a guy that likes to compete night in and night out...where do you think the teams improvement will come from"
Wall: "Power forward and center"
I guess Wall isn't in love with Blatche and McGee.
theboomking wrote:Interviewer: "I would like to see Derrick Williams of Arizona. Do you have a wish list of a guy you'd like to have if you had the number one pick?
Wall: "Uh yeah, I'd like to see him or Enes Kanter. I think those are the two big guys that could help us..."
Interviewer:"You're a guy that likes to compete night in and night out...where do you think the teams improvement will come from"
Wall: "Power forward and center"
I guess Wall isn't in love with Blatche and McGee.
Bickerstaff: who's up for kickball?!!
Ed Wood: Only if it's the no-pants variety.
illyasova wrote:theboomking wrote:Interviewer: "I would like to see Derrick Williams of Arizona. Do you have a wish list of a guy you'd like to have if you had the number one pick?
Wall: "Uh yeah, I'd like to see him or Enes Kanter. I think those are the two big guys that could help us..."
Interviewer:"You're a guy that likes to compete night in and night out...where do you think the teams improvement will come from"
Wall: "Power forward and center"
I guess Wall isn't in love with Blatche and McGee.
Well wall is most def. right, Enes is so versatile who can play both 4 and 5, also has both post game and face up skills. He is gonna just turn into 19 on may 20th. His age is valid cause he was born in Zurich in Switzerland when his dad was mastering and as we all know it is impossible there to play with age. Also, one more tape of him working with Tim Grover. His body just look impressive and i do not even wanna talk about his athletism.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNK8siaYI7M
Rafael122 wrote:It looks like Kanter can run the floor. Doesn't look stiff at all.
