Official Trade Thread XVII: 6/29/11 - 1/20 /12

[shrink]

Minnesota looks to be offering Love a sub-max deal.
http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/ ... 0-million/

If we could trade for Love without losing our 2012 draft pick, we'd be far better. Love would add the rebounding, outlet passing, and floor spacing that this team sorely lacks and would be an incredible match with Wall.

I'd trade McGee, our 2013 pick unprotected, and whatever other player they want.

It's lazy reporting.

That's exactly a max deal for four years.

13,603,750 14,624,031 15,644,313 16,664,594 = 60,536,688 4yrs

[theboomking]

They are shorting him the possible 5th year at 20 million. A guaranteed 5th year at 20 million is a huge difference.

Love already is playing in Minnesota. Small market teams typically have to overspend to attract and keep stars, not underspend.

[llcc25]

Minnesota looks to be offering Love a sub-max deal.
http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/ ... 0-million/

If we could trade for Love without losing our 2012 draft pick, we'd be far better. Love would add the rebounding, outlet passing, and floor spacing that this team sorely lacks and would be an incredible match with Wall.

I'd trade McGee, our 2013 pick unprotected, and whatever other player they want.

I'd be down for this but I don't think MIN would consider unless it involved our 2012 pick. If we conclude that Love is better than any of the prospects coming out short term, I say we pull the trigger b/c Love has proven his worth. Let's ask for MIN mid 1st rd pick this year in return though.

We max Love, amnesty Lewis, go hard after Harden or EGordon, and package Blatche, Singleton or Vesely for stop gap veteran center that can hold his own along the lines of Dalembert. We use MIN's mid 1st (Utah's lotto protected 2012 pick) and pick up a shooting SF to fill out rotation:
PG-Wall, Mack
SG-Harden/Gordon, Mason
SF-Singleton or Vesley/FA or draft SF
PF-Love, Booker
C-Dalembert,, Seraphin

I like our chances against philly and indy with this lineup...
MIN also comes out a winner in this deal: McGee upgrades their C position. D Williams can move to natural PF position or they have flex of trading for pick to get both Davis (with our pick) and Lamb.

[shrink]

Look - there is just so much wrong with this whole line of thinking.

1. Only MIN can offer a 5th year.

2. MIN can offer more, because they can offer 7.5% raises, and other teams can only offer 4.5%

3. MIN can make the offer now -- so Love doesn't have to hope he doesn't get injured all season to jeopardize that first big contract.

4. For max players, adding the fifth year isn't as big a deal. If the contracts are shorter, they get leverage to force their way out one year earlier, a la LeBron and everyone else. If they stay healthy, that $20 mil contract will still be there.

1-4 .. you can only offer him less money, later.

5. Certainly if MIN was going to trade Love, they could get a better offer than this. He was just voted #8 in trade value on the Trade Board.

/buzzkill

[nate33]

llcc25, Harden isn't a free agent until 2013. Stop talking as if it's a viable option to pursue him this summer.

[llcc25]

llcc25, Harden isn't a free agent until 2013. Stop talking as if it's a viable option to pursue him this summer.

my bad. for some reason i thought i read somewhere he was RFA this year but i was wrong. given that okc is talks right now to extend westbrook the max, i thought he'd be available. ok i can wait til next year if we miss out on either EGordon or Lamb in draft this year

[nate33]

I'd love to acquire Harden, but it's a pretty difficult plan to execute logistically.

We will be completely without a SG next season. We need to find one. It's hard to find a respectable SG and sign him to a 1-year contract, particularly for a sucky team like the Wizards. So we must either sign a long term solution at SG next year and pay him a fair salary (which would take up our cap room for Harden), or we have to endure a season with hot garbage at the SG position. But if we fail to acquire a decent SG, we will basically be committing to another "throwaway" season. I don't know if the salvageable youngsters on the team (Wall, Booker, Vesely, Singleton, maybe McGee) can endure psychological trauma of another hopeless season.

[nate33]

Here's an idea:

At the trade deadline:
Blatche + Seraphin + Crawford for David Lee

On draft day:
John Wall for Kemba Walker and Charlotte's lotto pick (#5). Include one of Vesely or Booker if necessary.

Draft:
Anthony Davis (#1)
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist (#5)

Free agency:
Sign Eric Gordon to a descending contract starting at the max
Resign McGee at $10M per year
Sign Rudy Fernandez at $4M a year (this part is optional)

Next year:
PG Walker/Mack
SG Gordon/Fernandez
SF Gilchrist/Singleton
PF Lee/Booker/Vesely
C McGee/Davis

That team wins right away. There are lots of shooters and lots of competitors.
- All traces of the old Wizard mindset (which may have already infected Wall) are gone except McGee.
- All the forwards and centers except Lee defend.
- Walker is more NBA ready than Wall and my sense is he's a better leader.
- Davis has some quality players around him so he doesn't get thrust into a starter's role prematurely.
- As soon as Davis gets better than either McGee or Lee, he takes the starting role.
- Davis and Gilchrist aren't due for big contracts until Lee and Gordon's hefty contracts expire.

[Illuminaire]

I think our strategy will be largely dictated by where we end up in the lottery. If we're getting Davis, I think we declare "mission accomplished" and go all in on Eric Gordon, or throw mid-level money at Ray Allen or OJ Mayo.

If we're picking in the 3-4 slot, maybe we just draft MKG and hope he can play some 2-guard. Which, us being the Wizards, is what's going to happen - except we'll get stuck with Drummond and eternal rebuild hell.

(Sorry, overcast day, feeling pessimistic)

[Illuminaire]

Nate's pipe dream

This is one of the few scenarios where I'd gladly trade Wall. It will never happen, but I'd be down if it did!

[Mr. Grundle]

Here's an idea:
...

I'd do it. Imagine the defensive possibilities if MKG could play some 2:

PG: Walker
SG: MKG
SF: Singleton
PF: Davis
C: McGee

[nate33]

Here's an idea:
...

I'd do it. Imagine the defensive possibilities if MKG could play some 2:

PG: Walker
SG: MKG
SF: Singleton
PF: Davis
C: McGee

Or
PG: Walker
SG: MKG
SF: Singleton
PF: Vesely
C: Davis

[Induveca]

Nate, love your plan. Go apply for the GM job. That is a team I'd love to watch.

I don't believe in trading Wall but if it landed us Walker and Kidd-Gilchrist I'd do it in a heartbeat.

[llcc25]

Here's an idea:
...

I'd do it. Imagine the defensive possibilities if MKG could play some 2:

PG: Walker
SG: MKG
SF: Singleton
PF: Davis
C: McGee

I see so many problems with this young lineup. where would the consistent points come from? where are the proven veteran in this lineup we can rely upon?

Realistically, Wall is not being dealt. So I say we offer EGordon max, sign Batum to respectable $6-7m/year deal. Trade Mcgee, Blatche for Scola/Dalembert...amnesty Rashard
I ran the #'s and we woould be under the cap with this:

PG:Wall
SG:Gordon
SF:Batum/Singleton
PF:Scola/Davis
C:Dalembert

IMO, this team has good balance of young and proven players. It is definitely better team than the above.

[nate33]

That's the "get a stop" defensive lineup, not the normal starting lineup. There's no problem with getting points out of this lineup:

PG Kemba Walker
SG Eric Gordon
SF Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
PF David Lee
C Javale McGee

[nate33]

You've got to quit it with this notion of trading McGee for Scola. Scola is 31 years old. You don't give up potentially a core piece in McGee for a 31 year old. I get the strategy of acquiring veteran help, but you do that with cap room, not by trading your high-potential players.

[montestewart]

That's the "get a stop" defensive lineup, not the normal starting lineup. There's no problem with getting points out of this lineup:

PG Kemba Walker
SG Eric Gordon
SF Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
PF David Lee
C Javale McGee

Yes, and where there are quality scorers in the lineup, it can take pressure off other players. MKG, Walker and Mcgee could be more efficient as secondary options. Find a vet 3&D type, and that's a pretty fantastic lineup. (Or maybe that's Singleton eventually.) Nice job.

[Illuminaire]

That's a 45 win team with potential to push the high-50s soon if Davis develops as expected.

[LyricalRico]

I'm down for all of that, nate. I just don't think we can pull it off. Lee is more valuable than that IMO and Charlotte's cupboard is so bare that I think they would rather have two young talents instead one (maybe if they had a better roster they might go for it). I also have no faith that we would get the #1 again, even if we have the worst record.

What about Wall+Blatche+filler to HOU for Lowry+Martin+pick? Assuming HOU's pick is a lotto pick, that's darn attractive. McHale would have to see Wall as a franchise player.

[nate33]

What about Wall+Blatche+filler to HOU for Lowry+Martin+pick? Assuming HOU's pick is a lotto pick, that's darn attractive. McHale would have to see Wall as a franchise player.

No. No. No!

You don't trade Wall for guys that have no superstar potential.