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Re: Otto Porter 

Post#1381 » by Zonkerbl » Wed Jun 4, 2014 1:41 pm

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Illmatic12 wrote:Porter exit interview:

http://www.monumentalnetwork.com/videos ... rview-2014

Says he'll focus on shooting and ballhandling this summer. I like how he said that Ariza has been mentoring him and he's trying to emulate his playing style somewhat.. it'll be great if we can sub-in Otto for Ariza and not notice a huge dropoff. We just need him to knock down open threes on offense, and defensively learn to use his length.


I've seen him hit a lot of 3s in warmups, practice... His shooting form is a bit more refined than it was this time last year. I think he'll be a good 3 point shooter.

If he can improve his ball handling, it'll be huge. Just seeing what Kawhi Leonard is doing off the dribble and emulating some of Tony Parker's moves is mind-blowing right now to me. Hopefully Otto can improve it to where he can create something out of nothing.

John is relied a lot and Beal sees that.

Yeah, it seems he's got a solid shooting stroke. He doesn't miss in warmups, which doesn't mean much but still.. at least we know he's not a MKG

My minimum expectation for him next year is to be able to knock down open threes from Wall, that's all he has to do to earn PT.


Is it just me or does he look really depressed? I wonder if he believes he belongs in the league. Or deserves to be a #3 pick.

I'd kind of like to see some Jordan Crawford cockiness. "I believe in myself and when I'm given the opportunity I'm ready to perform." A whole season of sitting on the bench really seems to have worn him down.

Tough situation to come in as a rookie. Playoff bound team, two high quality players in front of you, incapable of playing any other position... ugh. I hope his ego survives.

On the other hand, screw that. You have to be insanely confident in yourself to succeed in the NBA. Your confidence in yourself has to survive all adversity.
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Re: Otto Porter 

Post#1382 » by hands11 » Wed Jun 4, 2014 5:08 pm

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hands11 wrote:Comparing Otto, Parker and Wiggins

Enjoy

http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compar ... ari-parker


While I want Porter to do as good as those guys just like any of the wiz fans here, comparing his sophomore season to those guys rookie campaigns is a bit off I think. Even if it is just 1 year, development matters....I do think Parker is overrated though.


I realize I did that. But those where his last college team numbers and he didn't do the circuit so his development was probably a little behind in some ways, and he played for GT which we know doesn't highlight a player offense much.

He still measures well compared to these other players. He does play defense. He rebounds and he can hit open 3s. I think Otto is going to be fine. I project him as TA with handles.

But its the off season and this is our high draft pick so like I do, I look for the bright side and shine this up. He is a Wizards so I hope he produces.

I like the opportunity for young prospects better now then I did before. They team has some direction so I expect him to produce. I firmly believe its a benefit to young players to come to something that has some form and leadership structure.
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Re: Otto Porter 

Post#1383 » by nuposse04 » Wed Jun 4, 2014 10:17 pm

hands11 wrote:
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hands11 wrote:Comparing Otto, Parker and Wiggins

Enjoy

http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compar ... ari-parker


While I want Porter to do as good as those guys just like any of the wiz fans here, comparing his sophomore season to those guys rookie campaigns is a bit off I think. Even if it is just 1 year, development matters....I do think Parker is overrated though.


I realize I did that. But those where his last college team numbers and he didn't do the circuit so his development was probably a little behind in some ways, and he played for GT which we know doesn't highlight a player offense much.

He still measures well compared to these other players. He does play defense. He rebounds and he be hits open 3s. I think Otto is going to be fine. I project him as TA with handles.

But its the off season and this is our high draft pick so like I do, I look for the bright side and shine this up. He is a Wizards so I hope he produces.

I like the opportunity for young prospects better now then I did before. They team has some direction so I expect him to produce. I firmly believe its a benefit to young players to come to something that has some form and leadership structure.


I do agree that the GT is somewhat...not ideal to show off a wing player as a juggernaut prospect, but there are some athletic drawbacks Porter still has to overcome (I don't think he has a very good quick jump, like cody zeller). I actually don't mind he was pushed around easily this season (although I thought he boarded well at times), I was more concerned about his shooting. I knew he could shoot in GT, hopefully it was just jitters because of his tumultuous season. I'd like to ship Webster out of here should we sign Ariza, so he KNOWs his time is coming. I think a slightly rich man's Ariza may very well be his upside (better playmaker/boarder).
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Re: Otto Porter 

Post#1384 » by hands11 » Thu Jun 5, 2014 12:12 am

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hands11 wrote:
nuposse04 wrote:
While I want Porter to do as good as those guys just like any of the wiz fans here, comparing his sophomore season to those guys rookie campaigns is a bit off I think. Even if it is just 1 year, development matters....I do think Parker is overrated though.


I realize I did that. But those where his last college team numbers and he didn't do the circuit so his development was probably a little behind in some ways, and he played for GT which we know doesn't highlight a player offense much.

He still measures well compared to these other players. He does play defense. He rebounds and he be hits open 3s. I think Otto is going to be fine. I project him as TA with handles.

But its the off season and this is our high draft pick so like I do, I look for the bright side and shine this up. He is a Wizards so I hope he produces.

I like the opportunity for young prospects better now then I did before. They team has some direction so I expect him to produce. I firmly believe its a benefit to young players to come to something that has some form and leadership structure.


I do agree that the GT is somewhat...not ideal to show off a wing player as a juggernaut prospect, but there are some athletic drawbacks Porter still has to overcome (I don't think he has a very good quick jump, like cody zeller). I actually don't mind he was pushed around easily this season (although I thought he boarded well at times), I was more concerned about his shooting. I knew he could shoot in GT, hopefully it was just jitters because of his tumultuous season. I'd like to ship Webster out of here should we sign Ariza, so he KNOWs his time is coming. I think a slightly rich man's Ariza may very well be his upside (better playmaker/boarder).


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A rich mans TA wouldn't suck now would it. I call it TA with better handles.

I'm really looking forward to next season for Otto. Either way, TA no TA, Webster no Webster, I think we are going to see a good bit of Ottoman. At least 16-18 mins a game. And if he does well, closer to 20-24

With Wall and Beal farther along in their development now, I think they can turn more attention to Otto. Attention they couldn't give him last year. Injury. Playoffs. It just wasn't in the cards.

And with that and Wall and Beal still needing some focus, I think they may be ready to cut their ties of Kevin S.

He would have to really step huge in summer league or international play in order to earn a spot. Would be nice insurance to have him in the wings a year from now, but I just don't see him being that important to him when they have other things to focus on. And after Otto, the next big piece to merge in is likely a big name FA. Seems Kevin will always be in the background here. He would be better off going to a team like GS or Memphis. A team that is 2-3 years ahead of where the Wizards are in their development as a playoff team. I wouldn't want to see him land with another rebuilding team. I think he would be better with a more established team that needs a sprinkle of a young big to add some fresh legs.

I like Kevin on teams like Portland, GS, Memphis, Dallas, Brooklyn, maybe Atlanta.. Something like that.
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Re: Otto Porter 

Post#1385 » by Illmatic12 » Thu Jun 5, 2014 12:41 am

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I've seen him hit a lot of 3s in warmups, practice... His shooting form is a bit more refined than it was this time last year. I think he'll be a good 3 point shooter.

If he can improve his ball handling, it'll be huge. Just seeing what Kawhi Leonard is doing off the dribble and emulating some of Tony Parker's moves is mind-blowing right now to me. Hopefully Otto can improve it to where he can create something out of nothing.

John is relied a lot and Beal sees that.

Yeah, it seems he's got a solid shooting stroke. He doesn't miss in warmups, which doesn't mean much but still.. at least we know he's not a MKG

My minimum expectation for him next year is to be able to knock down open threes from Wall, that's all he has to do to earn PT.


Is it just me or does he look really depressed? I wonder if he believes he belongs in the league. Or deserves to be a #3 pick.

I'd kind of like to see some Jordan Crawford cockiness. "I believe in myself and when I'm given the opportunity I'm ready to perform." A whole season of sitting on the bench really seems to have worn him down.

Tough situation to come in as a rookie. Playoff bound team, two high quality players in front of you, incapable of playing any other position... ugh. I hope his ego survives.

On the other hand, screw that. You have to be insanely confident in yourself to succeed in the NBA. Your confidence in yourself has to survive all adversity.

I didn't follow him much before we drafted him, but maybe that's just his personality? Some guys are just like that.. idk

Either way, we'll find out how confident he really is on the floor next year. He has no excuse not to at least be a solid rotational player for us
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Re: Otto Porter 

Post#1386 » by hands11 » Thu Jun 5, 2014 2:09 am

Illmatic12 wrote:
Zonkerbl wrote:
Illmatic12 wrote:Yeah, it seems he's got a solid shooting stroke. He doesn't miss in warmups, which doesn't mean much but still.. at least we know he's not a MKG

My minimum expectation for him next year is to be able to knock down open threes from Wall, that's all he has to do to earn PT.


Is it just me or does he look really depressed? I wonder if he believes he belongs in the league. Or deserves to be a #3 pick.

I'd kind of like to see some Jordan Crawford cockiness. "I believe in myself and when I'm given the opportunity I'm ready to perform." A whole season of sitting on the bench really seems to have worn him down.

Tough situation to come in as a rookie. Playoff bound team, two high quality players in front of you, incapable of playing any other position... ugh. I hope his ego survives.

On the other hand, screw that. You have to be insanely confident in yourself to succeed in the NBA. Your confidence in yourself has to survive all adversity.

I didn't follow him much before we drafted him, but maybe that's just his personality? Some guys are just like that.. idk

Either way, we'll find out how confident he really is on the floor next year. He has no excuse not to at least be a solid rotational player for us


I did follow him.

Actually, I thought he sounded more mature and comfortable then other interviews. I don't think the red shirt year will hurt his confidence. Its not like he was Bennett. Otto was injured then the team was focused on a playoff run. He expresses that he gets that. I expect Otto to fight even harder to make sure nothing like that happens again.

As for when we will find out. We will get to see him in summer ball first just over a month away.

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Re: Otto Porter 

Post#1387 » by Knighthonor » Tue Jul 1, 2014 5:12 am

Have the Wizards given up on Otto Porter?

With the new season on the way, the Wizards are in a new situation at the SF position once again.
Porter may be needed to fill some shoes of injured players,

Or the Wizards can sign some above avg talent at SF.
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Post#1388 » by dlts20 » Tue Jul 1, 2014 5:21 am

I and I believe the Wiz have alot of faith in Porter. I dont think they are signing any other 3 but Ariza. Its either resign TA or no one, atleast not to play over Porter. No way they sign someone who is just above average to start over Porter. They will go with Otto if TA is not back and I think they feel comfortable with that, as I do
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Post#1389 » by Knighthonor » Tue Jul 1, 2014 6:13 am

dlts20 wrote:I and I believe the Wiz have alot of faith in Porter. I dont think they are signing any other 3 but Ariza. Its either resign TA or no one, atleast not to play over Porter. No way they sign someone who is just above average to start over Porter. They will go with Otto if TA is not back and I think they feel comfortable with that, as I do

But Webster may be down as well.
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Post#1390 » by dlts20 » Tue Jul 1, 2014 8:46 pm

I didnt say we wont bring anyone in. If TA leaves then someone else would come in but they arent going to be hunting for some stud to start. They would want Porter to start and just get a servicable backup
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Post#1391 » by Dat2U » Tue Jul 1, 2014 9:31 pm

dlts20 wrote:I and I believe the Wiz have alot of faith in Porter. I dont think they are signing any other 3 but Ariza. Its either resign TA or no one, atleast not to play over Porter. No way they sign someone who is just above average to start over Porter. They will go with Otto if TA is not back and I think they feel comfortable with that, as I do


I have to see it to believe it. Were about to have two veteran SFs on the roster signed long term AFTER Porter was drafted, potentially making more than $15 million per season. Including Porter, we may be looking at $20 mil per invested in one position. That tells me they have very little faith in Porter and their own scouting department.
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Post#1392 » by dlts20 » Tue Jul 1, 2014 9:51 pm

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dlts20 wrote:I and I believe the Wiz have alot of faith in Porter. I dont think they are signing any other 3 but Ariza. Its either resign TA or no one, atleast not to play over Porter. No way they sign someone who is just above average to start over Porter. They will go with Otto if TA is not back and I think they feel comfortable with that, as I do


I have to see it to believe it. Were about to have two veteran SFs on the roster signed long term AFTER Porter was drafted, potentially making more than $15 million per season. Including Porter, we may be looking at $20 mil per invested in one position. That tells me they have very little faith in Porter and their own scouting department.

I totally disagree. Webster signed before Porter. They would move him like yesterday if they could. They still drafted Porter after the Webster contract because they liked him so much. The odd man out was Ariza but he was the shocker with the great season. None of that has anything to do with Porter
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Re: Otto Porter 

Post#1393 » by Nivek » Tue Jul 1, 2014 9:56 pm

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dlts20 wrote:I and I believe the Wiz have alot of faith in Porter. I dont think they are signing any other 3 but Ariza. Its either resign TA or no one, atleast not to play over Porter. No way they sign someone who is just above average to start over Porter. They will go with Otto if TA is not back and I think they feel comfortable with that, as I do


I have to see it to believe it. Were about to have two veteran SFs on the roster signed long term AFTER Porter was drafted, potentially making more than $15 million per season. Including Porter, we may be looking at $20 mil per invested in one position. That tells me they have very little faith in Porter and their own scouting department.

I totally disagree. Webster signed before Porter. They would move him like yesterday if they could. They still drafted Porter after the Webster contract because they liked him so much. The odd man out was Ariza but he was the shocker with the great season. None of that has anything to do with Porter


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Post#1394 » by Deivy202 » Tue Jul 1, 2014 9:56 pm

Porter will get more playing time no matter what. I dont even think wz r that high on resigning him we needa save mpney plus porter haa higher potential than ariA and haa better dribbles and passing game than ariza.

Porter might surprise some
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Post#1395 » by hands11 » Tue Jul 1, 2014 10:08 pm

dlts20 wrote:I didnt say we wont bring anyone in. If TA leaves then someone else would come in but they arent going to be hunting for some stud to start. They would want Porter to start and just get a servicable backup


Well they could go after a HOF vet like P Peirce for a year to play the role of TA which wouldn't suck at all. I have wanted him here on a short contract in the past.

PP for one year, sign me up. Great tutor for Otto while he gets through his rookie year.

Not following the people spinning the TA, Otto, Webster stuff. Its pretty clear what they did and its been detailed a ton of times.

They believe in Otto. TA worked out and he is worth more to them as resigned asset then to let him walk. Webster got paid for what he did and the combo of Otto and him are insurance in case TA walks. And since Webster can play some SG, it all works. Lots of options. Move who you need to later. Continuity. Makes total sense.

Otto is not ready to start on a playoff bound team. That would be maybe the following year. He got injured and that changed the time line. Good thing they had the options they did/do.
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Post#1396 » by dlts20 » Wed Jul 2, 2014 1:40 am

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I have to see it to believe it. Were about to have two veteran SFs on the roster signed long term AFTER Porter was drafted, potentially making more than $15 million per season. Including Porter, we may be looking at $20 mil per invested in one position. That tells me they have very little faith in Porter and their own scouting department.

I totally disagree. Webster signed before Porter. They would move him like yesterday if they could. They still drafted Porter after the Webster contract because they liked him so much. The odd man out was Ariza but he was the shocker with the great season. None of that has anything to do with Porter


The Wizards drafted Otto Porter on June 27, 2013. Porter signed his contract on July 8, 2013. Webster signed his current contract on July 10, 2013.

thats missing the point. I never said they wouldnt have signed Webster if they knew they were getting Porter. Its clear they wanted Webster at the time and were fine drafting Porter. Its Ariza that was the odd man out who was just taking up space. Now after how well he played, its Webster who is the odd man out who they would love to get rid of but I just dont see them wanting anyone to play over Porter who was not on the team last year. I think they believe he is the goods and showed well late last season
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Post#1397 » by CobraCommander » Thu Jul 3, 2014 10:32 pm

Truth hurts but if they sign TA for a long term deal at big money they will have given up on a lottery pick after one year. The wiz are not ready to win it all next year so they need to go into next year building with the young sf that is the future instead of over spending for TA. I love TA but he will be well past his prime when wall and beal hit theirs and thus we need to find out if Porter is the person we thought we drafted or if he is a bust. Our problem is Cleveland, Philly, Atlanta and for goodness sakes- the bob- I mean Hornets are tooling up for the future and we seem to be tooling up for another run at the east conference second round! Porter is an investment in the future and TA is an investment in the right now. I think Gortat is different because we don't have a reasonable replacement for him and his game isn't predicated on physical gifts so he may be useful at 35- Ariza won't be- because you can't guard the 2 or 3 if you can't move your feet- and at 35 there are only a few guys that can.

I want the wiz to keep TA but short term and play porter over Webster even when he returns-
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Post#1398 » by hands11 » Thu Jul 3, 2014 11:09 pm

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dlts20 wrote:I and I believe the Wiz have alot of faith in Porter. I dont think they are signing any other 3 but Ariza. Its either resign TA or no one, atleast not to play over Porter. No way they sign someone who is just above average to start over Porter. They will go with Otto if TA is not back and I think they feel comfortable with that, as I do


I have to see it to believe it. Were about to have two veteran SFs on the roster signed long term AFTER Porter was drafted, potentially making more than $15 million per season. Including Porter, we may be looking at $20 mil per invested in one position. That tells me they have very little faith in Porter and their own scouting department.


I don't see that. I see they hedged their beats and it worked out so far.

Webster and TA where they to make the playoffs when Otto was a rookie and hurt and know Otto is there to step in as a red shirt rookie behind a vet. TA if they can resign him or something less on a short contact. Ideally someone on a one year deal.

Of which Paul Pierce would be perfect. He would be a great mentor to help get Otto up to speed. That's how SA does it. Its institutional knowledge that gets passed on to the younger players as they build them up to be the next anchor to team the next young players. Then add solid minded short contract players around that core.
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Post#1399 » by nate33 » Thu Jul 3, 2014 11:33 pm

CobraCommander wrote:Truth hurts but if they sign TA for a long term deal at big money they will have given up on a lottery pick after one year. The wiz are not ready to win it all next year so they need to go into next year building with the young sf that is the future instead of over spending for TA. I love TA but he will be well past his prime when wall and beal hit theirs and thus we need to find out if Porter is the person we thought we drafted or if he is a bust. Our problem is Cleveland, Philly, Atlanta and for goodness sakes- the bob- I mean Hornets are tooling up for the future and we seem to be tooling up for another run at the east conference second round! Porter is an investment in the future and TA is an investment in the right now. I think Gortat is different because we don't have a reasonable replacement for him and his game isn't predicated on physical gifts so he may be useful at 35- Ariza won't be- because you can't guard the 2 or 3 if you can't move your feet- and at 35 there are only a few guys that can.

I want the wiz to keep TA but short term and play porter over Webster even when he returns-

Signing Ariza does not mean they gave up on a lottery pick. There are 96 minutes for Beal, Ariza and Porter at the SG and SF positions, more if someone can steal some PF minutes in a small ball configuration. All that is needed is for Webster to be moved in the next year or so. That's easily doable if he gets healthy. (And if he doesn't get healthy, then there's still no minutes crunch.)

And Ariza will not be "well past his prime" when Beal and Wall hit their primes. Wall is already in his prime. Beal is hopefully going to hit his this year, and if not, he'll do so in one more year. Ariza should have 4 good years left at his age. He'll be only 32 at the end of his next 4-year contract.
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Post#1400 » by CobraCommander » Fri Jul 4, 2014 12:04 am

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CobraCommander wrote:Truth hurts but if they sign TA for a long term deal at big money they will have given up on a lottery pick after one year. The wiz are not ready to win it all next year so they need to go into next year building with the young sf that is the future instead of over spending for TA. I love TA but he will be well past his prime when wall and beal hit theirs and thus we need to find out if Porter is the person we thought we drafted or if he is a bust. Our problem is Cleveland, Philly, Atlanta and for goodness sakes- the bob- I mean Hornets are tooling up for the future and we seem to be tooling up for another run at the east conference second round! Porter is an investment in the future and TA is an investment in the right now. I think Gortat is different because we don't have a reasonable replacement for him and his game isn't predicated on physical gifts so he may be useful at 35- Ariza won't be- because you can't guard the 2 or 3 if you can't move your feet- and at 35 there are only a few guys that can.

I want the wiz to keep TA but short term and play porter over Webster even when he returns-

Signing Ariza does not mean they gave up on a lottery pick. There are 96 minutes for Beal, Ariza and Porter at the SG and SF positions, more if someone can steal some PF minutes in a small ball configuration. All that is needed is for Webster to be moved in the next year or so. That's easily doable if he gets healthy. (And if he doesn't get healthy, then there's still no minutes crunch.)

And Ariza will not be "well past his prime" when Beal and Wall hit their primes. Wall is already in his prime. Beal is hopefully going to hit his this year, and if not, he'll do so in one more year. Ariza should have 4 good years left at his age. He'll be only 32 at the end of his next 4-year contract.


Respectfully - I somewhat disagree- TA had his best year and scored 14 points and had 6 rebounds at 29 years old and if porter doesn't do better than that than in the next 3 years then IMO they should have traded the porter pick for future considerations. The only way porter is going to get better is to get major minutes. Starter or first off the bench minutes- if the wiz sign TA for major money, we will be committing that TA is our starting 3 for at least the next 2 or so years.

I don't think Wall is in his prime. Wall is 24- a 20 and 10 point guard (that's all nba) but scared to shoot a open 3 in crunch time and passes up open shots at the rim to pass to covered men in the corner firing sub 40% 3 pointers (That's d league logic) on a MAX contract!? - let's pray that Wall will improve even if it's just his basketball Judgement! I think it takes a few years for nba players to learn to stop depending on their athletsim and start using their mind to maximize their potential. Wall hasn't figured that out yet- let's hope he does!

Beal isn't as dependent on his physical gifts as wall- so he may hit his prime earlier than wall especially with him learning by playing with the USA team. I think the USA team experince is going to show him how to prep and play at the highest level. I also hope it shows him he is one of the best in the world. That confidence could give the impression that he needs to dominate the non-elite 2 guards. There is something to be said for personal expectations- like he looks at average guards and be like "this dude is toast... He can't see me"-

I acknowledge Ariza could be great at 31-32. But that supports the fact that mid to late 20s early 30s are nba primes--- and wall and beal not there-

No hate or troll- just my opinions

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