Discuss Ernie Grunfeld's GM skills here (Part 2)

[leswizards]

they are already in the luxury tax and still looking to sign Noel. Completely misinformed

Looking and doing are 2 different things. I am not misinformed, instead I am skeptical that any player will be signed unless they unload bad contracts.

[MVPofDC]

The fact that there is a thread dedicated to just how bad EG is makes me LOL

[FAH1223]

The fact that there is a thread dedicated to just how bad EG is makes me LOL

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Saw this piece last week, and while I’m glad things worked out with Mike Scott, this quote made me think of closg00’s “Lazy Ernie” moniker.

Out of the league, Scott stopped working out and eating right. He ballooned to almost 280 pounds. "I was lazy," he says now. His trajectory pointed one way: out of the NBA. "I can't lie and say that didn't cross my mind," he says.

As free agency approached, he decided to fight. He lost almost 40 pounds, and let teams know he was ready. He drew only two minimum offers. Washington said they would sign him without seeing him work out first. "Given the year I had," Scott says, "that really surprised me."

I don’t know if it’s commonplace for GMs to waive a workout for free agents trying to get back in the league, but the fact that Mike Scott was surprised by it, tells me it is not.

I wonder if EG was truly bidding against himself and the other minimum offer Scott received this past summer was also from the Wizards (but required a workout).

I dont know whether to laugh or shake my head.

It's completely believable. We joke about how lazy Ernie probably is but its still stunning to see actual facts pointing to the reality of it.

Well good thing dx has moved to ESPN so Lazy Ernie will only have to check out one link for scouting reports instead two.

Jon G and Kevin Pelton...no better than you and IMO me.

Them sons of b****** can get paid all that money but I can tell you that Jaren Jackson Jr is the best player out of this draft. And both of us been knowing that.

Mo Bamba is going to be better than Ayton, too.

As far as I'm concerned the only two things can stop me are Jesus and autocorrect.

" The ladder changes things so fast in the Maycomb so wrong when I spell things correctly the first time most of the time Etsy"

Latter
First place... no idea what that may come means
No idea what that Etsy means



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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

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Nerlens Noel

Jim Carrey and that other guy starred a movie called Dumb and Dumber

Ernie and John Wall on Personnel moves...

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

The fact that there is a thread dedicated to just how bad EG is makes me LOL

If I was really a douche I would say we gotta have a thread on how good he is at keeping his job or how he in Teddy or download lovers but I don't believe that's fair...

Auto-correct errors are fun cuz you know what I said

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Team 2018-19
Washington Wizards $12,650,00

Austin makes that much

[queridiculo]

The 2016 off-season keeps on giving, to think that Leonsis rewarded his stellar work that year with an extension

[gtn130]

Moreover -- & this is important -- calling his picks "not awful" b/c they included Wall, Beal & Porter is something I can't agree with. It's just not nearly as hard to pick at those spots as it is to find talent elsewhere in the draft.

Yup. To add to that, they not only were premium top-3 picks but Wall, Beal and Porter were near consensus at those spots. Ernie went with the most conservative media-friendly picks - it’s not like he reached for a player or took a gamble and proved everyone wrong. He went with the consensus opinions found on espn.com. He shouldn’t be given a ton of credit here

[nate33]

Moreover -- & this is important -- calling his picks "not awful" b/c they included Wall, Beal & Porter is something I can't agree with. It's just not nearly as hard to pick at those spots as it is to find talent elsewhere in the draft.

Yup. To add to that, they not only were premium top-3 picks but Wall, Beal and Porter were near consensus at those spots. Ernie went with the most conservative media-friendly picks - it’s not like he reached for a player or took a gamble and proved everyone wrong. He went with the consensus opinions found on espn.com. He shouldn’t be given a ton of credit here

Agreed. He gets zero credit for Wall and Beal. I'm give him some modest credit for Porter whom I don't think was a unanimous consensus. Noel was still on the board. And Cody Zeller was also highly regarded. We also had Ariza and Webster on the roster at the time (with Webster having just come off his best season).

[nate33]

Is there a worse drafting record in the league? I doubt it.

Sacramento is definitely worse. As is Orlando. You can make a case that Cleveland was pretty horrible too. I'm damning with faint praise, I know.

EG is definitely in the bottom tier among drafters, but he's not the worst.

[payitforward]

Is there a worse drafting record in the league? I doubt it.

Sacramento is definitely worse. As is Orlando. You can make a case that Cleveland was pretty horrible too. I'm damning with faint praise, I know.

EG is definitely in the bottom tier among drafters, but he's not the worst.

But, the guys who made many/most of those awful picks are gone -- they've been fired!

Now, perhaps the next guys at those franchises picked up the reins & continued driving the horses over the same cliffs, but at least their predecessors paid for their sins.

Ernie gets rewarded for his!

All the same, I freely admit that Billy King was a worse GM than Ernie Grunfeld. There might even be some others in the modern era -- can't be too many tho....

& more to come no doubt. As Richard Feynman once wrote, "There's Plenty of Room at the Bottom" -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There%27s_Plenty_of_Room_at_the_Bottom

edit: here's Feynman's talk itself -- in which he founded nanotechnology! It's quite readable: http://www.phy.pku.edu.cn/~qhcao/resources/class/QM/Feynman's-Talk.pdf

[nate33]

Is there a worse drafting record in the league? I doubt it.

Sacramento is definitely worse. As is Orlando. You can make a case that Cleveland was pretty horrible too. I'm damning with faint praise, I know.

EG is definitely in the bottom tier among drafters, but he's not the worst.

But, the guys who made many/most of those awful picks are gone -- they've been fired!

Good point.

[gtn130]

Has Orlando been that bad in recent years? Probably not good but not horrendous.

-Gordon is a good player
-Oladipo also obviously good
-Isaac still has a chance to be good
-Hezonja is probably a bust but could resurrect his career and is on his second contract, so he's better than say Jan Vesley
-Elfrid Payton is kinda bad, but it's because he can't shoot. If he's drafted ~2 years earlier everyone assumes he's good for a while before 3pt shooting takes over.

This is the Troy Brown thread, whoops

[NatP4]

Hezonja was pretty good when he started last season. I wouldn’t call him a bust, only 23 still.

[NatP4]

Moreover -- & this is important -- calling his picks "not awful" b/c they included Wall, Beal & Porter is something I can't agree with. It's just not nearly as hard to pick at those spots as it is to find talent elsewhere in the draft.

Yup. To add to that, they not only were premium top-3 picks but Wall, Beal and Porter were near consensus at those spots. Ernie went with the most conservative media-friendly picks - it’s not like he reached for a player or took a gamble and proved everyone wrong. He went with the consensus opinions found on espn.com. He shouldn’t be given a ton of credit here

Agreed. He gets zero credit for Wall and Beal. I'm give him some modest credit for Porter whom I don't think was a unanimous consensus. Noel was still on the board. And Cody Zeller was also highly regarded. We also had Ariza and Webster on the roster at the time (with Webster having just come off his best season).

Beal wasn’t consensus either, Thomas Robinson and Harrison Barnes were definitely in the equation. Multiple teams were looking to trade up for him. The Cavs really wanted him.

And just look at the 1st round of that 2013 draft, just brutal, Ernie deserves credit for the Otto pick. Noel was the consensus #1 for most of the year.

[gtn130]

Hezonja was pretty good when he started last season. I wouldn’t call him a bust, only 23 still.

Yeah I thought so too. Orlando has a tendency to play guys out of position, and the makeup of their roster over the years has been a bit of a joke. The Ibaka/Biyombo/Vucevic era was something to behold. Aaron Gordon has definitely been devalued because of the situation he's been in, same can probably be said for Mario

[gtn130]

Yup. To add to that, they not only were premium top-3 picks but Wall, Beal and Porter were near consensus at those spots. Ernie went with the most conservative media-friendly picks - it’s not like he reached for a player or took a gamble and proved everyone wrong. He went with the consensus opinions found on espn.com. He shouldn’t be given a ton of credit here

Agreed. He gets zero credit for Wall and Beal. I'm give him some modest credit for Porter whom I don't think was a unanimous consensus. Noel was still on the board. And Cody Zeller was also highly regarded. We also had Ariza and Webster on the roster at the time (with Webster having just come off his best season).

Beal wasn’t consensus either, Thomas Robinson and Harrison Barnes were definitely in the equation. Multiple teams were looking to trade up for him. The Cavs really wanted him.

And just look at the 1st round of that 2013 draft, just brutal, Ernie deserves credit for the Otto pick. Noel was the consensus #1 for most of the year.

Otto had the vaunted local ties. Safest pick in the world for EG

[nate33]

Beal wasn’t consensus either, Thomas Robinson and Harrison Barnes were definitely in the equation. Multiple teams were looking to trade up for him. The Cavs really wanted him.

That's not the way I remember it.

Beal was easily the consensus pick. There was a small contingent for Barnes, and nobody else was really an option. Thomas Robinson was mentioned very early on in the process, but by the time draft day rolled around, nobody wanted him at #3. It was basically 80% in favor of Beal, 15% in favor of Barnes, and 5% in favor of anyone else. Every mock draft in creation had EG picking Beal at #3.

[NatP4]

Beal wasn’t consensus either, Thomas Robinson and Harrison Barnes were definitely in the equation. Multiple teams were looking to trade up for him. The Cavs really wanted him.

That's not the way I remember it.

Beal was easily the consensus pick. There was a small contingent for Barnes, and nobody else was really an option. Thomas Robinson was mentioned very early on in the process, but by the time draft day rolled around, nobody wanted him at #3. It was basically 80% in favor of Beal, 15% in favor of Barnes, and 5% in favor of anyone else. Every mock draft in creation had EG picking Beal at #3.

That’s because we made that big Ariza Nene trade and made it blatantly obvious that we wanted Beal.

Don’t you remember all the waiters/Beal debates???

Idk, it’s been along time.