Political Roundtable Part XVII

[stilldropin20]

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Exactly, this is why Trump/Republican approval ratings are in the toilette, they have a Let Them Eat Cake attitude.
The massive redistribution of wealth upward to the 1%, does zero for fixing Health Care and everyone knows that when/if they do a real budget as-opposed to these stupid CR's, cuts to Grandma's Medicare & SSI are coming....money for nothing else too.

For the 517,000 time inn this thread. band together. bringeth forth a tax plan we're we remove all charitable carve outs are removed and we tax all wealth at some level like $ 20 million at some outrageous rate like 75% or higher upon death. This includes all wealth in trusts and Foundations .Do that. And im in!!!

And you must remove the ability to take that wealth out of the United States Central banking system. Straight up flat out make it illegal for Americans to hold their wealth overseas.

So that, or just shut the **** up about the wealth disparity. Because it's a non-issue for you if you are not willing to do that. that is the only way to go get the money and spread it back around

There is no other pathway.

And I'm not trying to be harsh on you at all clogs. But if any of you so-called liberals want to be an actual " liberal" this is your path way. This is the hill you should die on.

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[DCZards]

That's where I'm at as well....

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If nothing else, the election of Donald Trump (and their support for him) has proven that most evangelicals and their so-called leaders are just a bunch of hypocrites who hide behind and use their phony sanctity to try to tell the rest of us that we're the wrongdoers and the ones living contrary to the will of God.

[Pointgod]

Let's face it neither party is interested in sustainable government. Republicans have shown that they are in no way deficit hawks or care about the debt. It's either you go with Republicans and sign off on the government funneling money to millionaires and billionaires and running up the military budget or you go with Democrats and have the government spend on healthcare, education and social services until they can't, which is already happening...

Or none of the above

The reality is that government whether Republican or Democratic must face realities which neither have been capable of doing. Canada faced a similar crisis in the mid 90's national debt was 70% of GDP and rising. The government prioritized expenditures and raised taxes and imposed a General Sales Tax. Since that time Canada has reduced national debt to about 30% of GDP even taking into consideration the economic ramifications of the Bush 43 collapse of the economy.

The American people are not ready for reality and the latest tax program is just making things worse. Only the Republican Party in all the advanced democracies is pushing the Voodoo economic platform of trickle down economics. Canada is a much more socialistic country than the USA but is in better financial shape.
Why
1. All of Canadian Government Pension plans are fully funded and monies have been invested in the markets. The Federal Government can not borrow from those plans.
2. Canadian Healthcare is resilient and well funded and effective and cost conscious.
3. Canada has selectively added social welfare programs such as child care, 6 months of leave for after pregnancy.
4. Changes in laws regarding pot which will be legal nationwide in July of 2018 which reduces criminality and incarceration.
5. Canada is in the top performers on educating its populous. Plus has successfully dealt with many immigrants who have either English or French as a 2nd language.
6. Canada's immigration policy adds about .8% of both immigrants and refugees every year. Most of the immigrants are bringing both job skills and entrepreneurial skills to out Nation. Our refugee program is skilled in bringing families and women and children.
7. The Federal & Provincial Governments rarely to never give subsidies or tax breaks to new foreign investment. They do offer a skilled workforce, low cost healthcare and world competitive corporate tax rates. Prime example is in the 20 finalists for the Amazon 2nd HQ Toronto is the only jurisdiction who is not offering incentives just the quality of the city, Canada and a vibrant workforce.
The reality is the American people and its populous and political must realize that there isn't a free lunch. Going back to JFK they must role up there sleeves and say its not for what the country can do for you but what you can do for your country.

I always laugh when people say that a far left populist candidate would win in the US. The country is far more conservative(even the left leaning people) than they want to admit. A national sales tax would help alleviate a lot of the deficit concerns but the population would be up in arms. I mean it’s easy to talk a good game when it comes to socialist policies but implementing them is another story. Obama tries to give people healthcare and his reward is for Americans to vote out politicians who supported the ACA and give tea party crazies more government power. Implementing policies like other Social Democratic countries requires a paradigm shift in what people prioritize.

[montestewart]

"What are you STD, some kind of tax and banking expert?"

"No, but I did stay at

the 517,000 time inn

last night"

[pcbothwel]

Not tired of winning... yet
https://www.bizjournals.com/memphis/news/2018/01/26/fedex-to-invest-3-2-billion-in-people-and.html

Memphis-based FedEx Corp. announced Friday, Jan. 26, three “major programs” that would total more than $3.2 billion in investments as a result of the U.S. Tax Cuts and Jobs Act

[stilldropin20]

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If nothing else, the election of Donald Trump (and their support for him) has proven that most evangelicals and their so-called leaders are just a bunch of hypocrites who hide behind and use their phony sanctity to try to tell the rest of us that we're the wrongdoers and the ones living contrary to the will of God.

what's next? the sky is blue? news flash: every single group, faction, or tribe in FOFS!! Every single one of them including every single group you belong. Everyone is a liar. Everyone in this thread has certainly lied through their teeth. thats' for sure. Everyone. You are all self serving hypocrites.

So what? where do we go from here?

here's a hint. its called a negotiation. at some point the cry babies are going to have stop whining. stop crying. stop labeling. stop everything. all the damn name calling histrionics and negotiate. Because your whining as a means to negotiate is NOT working very well for you.

and talk about a "stupid base." whose base is more stupid? the base whose leaders whine and cry and call names all day long, 7 days per week, 365 days per year? Or the base whose leaders negotiate quickly succinctly and to get stuff done.

In real estate we call this managing expectations. We call it the same damn thing in dentistry.

What it boils down to is that Democratic/liberal politicians are liars that can NOT manage expectations well at all. They can never deliver on their lies. Why not just stop campaigning on a trail of lies. Stop lying to your base. Stop getting them all hot and bothered over bull crap.

Dems: Learn something from trump. Do your damn research. Then deliver a succinct message when campaigning and deliver on those pledges when you get in office. This way when the american people speak both sides can more easily accept the decision of the american people. I think that is a huge reason why the left is still crying on this election and still trying to over turn it instead of gearing up for 2020. and if this is how you "gear up" then what a bunch of babies. straight up whiny cry babies. who on earth would want to be governed by a bunch of sore losers??? Seriously? why would you guys want to take that route and elect leaders who employ that tactic. That's leadership??? In sports, you guys are the chess player that flips the board upside down, screams a bunch of nonsense and then storms out. Quitting. dems need to grow up already. damn.

grow a pair and negotiate like adults.

[dckingsfan]

Or none of the above

The reality is that government whether Republican or Democratic must face realities which neither have been capable of doing. Canada faced a similar crisis in the mid 90's national debt was 70% of GDP and rising. The government prioritized expenditures and raised taxes and imposed a General Sales Tax. Since that time Canada has reduced national debt to about 30% of GDP even taking into consideration the economic ramifications of the Bush 43 collapse of the economy.

The American people are not ready for reality and the latest tax program is just making things worse. Only the Republican Party in all the advanced democracies is pushing the Voodoo economic platform of trickle down economics. Canada is a much more socialistic country than the USA but is in better financial shape.
Why
1. All of Canadian Government Pension plans are fully funded and monies have been invested in the markets. The Federal Government can not borrow from those plans.
2. Canadian Healthcare is resilient and well funded and effective and cost conscious.
3. Canada has selectively added social welfare programs such as child care, 6 months of leave for after pregnancy.
4. Changes in laws regarding pot which will be legal nationwide in July of 2018 which reduces criminality and incarceration.
5. Canada is in the top performers on educating its populous. Plus has successfully dealt with many immigrants who have either English or French as a 2nd language.
6. Canada's immigration policy adds about .8% of both immigrants and refugees every year. Most of the immigrants are bringing both job skills and entrepreneurial skills to out Nation. Our refugee program is skilled in bringing families and women and children.
7. The Federal & Provincial Governments rarely to never give subsidies or tax breaks to new foreign investment. They do offer a skilled workforce, low cost healthcare and world competitive corporate tax rates. Prime example is in the 20 finalists for the Amazon 2nd HQ Toronto is the only jurisdiction who is not offering incentives just the quality of the city, Canada and a vibrant workforce.
The reality is the American people and its populous and political must realize that there isn't a free lunch. Going back to JFK they must role up there sleeves and say its not for what the country can do for you but what you can do for your country.

I always laugh when people say that a far left populist candidate would win in the US. The country is far more conservative(even the left leaning people) than they want to admit. A national sales tax would help alleviate a lot of the deficit concerns but the population would be up in arms. I mean it’s easy to talk a good game when it comes to socialist policies but implementing them is another story. Obama tries to give people healthcare and his reward is for Americans to vote out politicians who supported the ACA and give tea party crazies more government power. Implementing policies like other Social Democratic countries requires a paradigm shift in what people prioritize.

I think this is where we are 100% in agreement (I think). The Ds have moved left, the Rs have moved right (faster) and the population is still moderately conservative in the middle.

And to fix our problems - we need a paradigm shift of some sort - how it stands just isn't working.

[cammac]

The reality is that government whether Republican or Democratic must face realities which neither have been capable of doing. Canada faced a similar crisis in the mid 90's national debt was 70% of GDP and rising. The government prioritized expenditures and raised taxes and imposed a General Sales Tax. Since that time Canada has reduced national debt to about 30% of GDP even taking into consideration the economic ramifications of the Bush 43 collapse of the economy.

The American people are not ready for reality and the latest tax program is just making things worse. Only the Republican Party in all the advanced democracies is pushing the Voodoo economic platform of trickle down economics. Canada is a much more socialistic country than the USA but is in better financial shape.
Why
1. All of Canadian Government Pension plans are fully funded and monies have been invested in the markets. The Federal Government can not borrow from those plans.
2. Canadian Healthcare is resilient and well funded and effective and cost conscious.
3. Canada has selectively added social welfare programs such as child care, 6 months of leave for after pregnancy.
4. Changes in laws regarding pot which will be legal nationwide in July of 2018 which reduces criminality and incarceration.
5. Canada is in the top performers on educating its populous. Plus has successfully dealt with many immigrants who have either English or French as a 2nd language.
6. Canada's immigration policy adds about .8% of both immigrants and refugees every year. Most of the immigrants are bringing both job skills and entrepreneurial skills to out Nation. Our refugee program is skilled in bringing families and women and children.
7. The Federal & Provincial Governments rarely to never give subsidies or tax breaks to new foreign investment. They do offer a skilled workforce, low cost healthcare and world competitive corporate tax rates. Prime example is in the 20 finalists for the Amazon 2nd HQ Toronto is the only jurisdiction who is not offering incentives just the quality of the city, Canada and a vibrant workforce.
The reality is the American people and its populous and political must realize that there isn't a free lunch. Going back to JFK they must role up there sleeves and say its not for what the country can do for you but what you can do for your country.

I always laugh when people say that a far left populist candidate would win in the US. The country is far more conservative(even the left leaning people) than they want to admit. A national sales tax would help alleviate a lot of the deficit concerns but the population would be up in arms. I mean it’s easy to talk a good game when it comes to socialist policies but implementing them is another story. Obama tries to give people healthcare and his reward is for Americans to vote out politicians who supported the ACA and give tea party crazies more government power. Implementing policies like other Social Democratic countries requires a paradigm shift in what people prioritize.

I think this is where we are 100% in agreement (I think). The Ds have moved left, the Rs have moved right (faster) and the population is still moderately conservative in the middle.

And to fix our problems - we need a paradigm shift of some sort - how it stands just isn't working.

I agree but also there is a need to take a position!
It is easy choice follow the Republican path which is further to the right with frankly less liberty for the populous and more control by a ruling elite! The other option is to follow the model of most social democracies especially the 4 English speaking ones. I think a choice is obvious!

[stilldropin20]

Not tired of winning... yet
https://www.bizjournals.com/memphis/news/2018/01/26/fedex-to-invest-3-2-billion-in-people-and.html

Memphis-based FedEx Corp. announced Friday, Jan. 26, three “major programs” that would total more than $3.2 billion in investments as a result of the U.S. Tax Cuts and Jobs Act

we are now at 167 companies. that have invested or pledged to invest over $3 trillion dollars directly back into the american worker. Over $1 trillion in the form of cash to employees in either wages or bonuses. and every company directly cited the "Trump tax plan." I believe the number of employees with a bonus or raise from this tax plan is over 30,000,000 at this point. add to that the $2000 in annual savings from the plan. and the $1500 in obamacare mandate repeal that save 10,000,000 american that tax.

Add it all up and what we are looking at is a $5000-7000 cash injection into your typical middle class family. Around $40,000,000 families. Wow!!!!!

"#crumbs" #tax"scam"

democratic leaders. pffff idiots.

#'murica is #openforbusiness

[stilldropin20]

26,511 right now. damn this muthaphucka just dumpin gasoline on this stock market!! Success breeds success. optimism works!!

Obama idiot. terrible leader. horrible!!!!!

[stilldropin20]

kill me now. increase the voting age to #minimum25tovote

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[Pointgod]

I always laugh when people say that a far left populist candidate would win in the US. The country is far more conservative(even the left leaning people) than they want to admit. A national sales tax would help alleviate a lot of the deficit concerns but the population would be up in arms. I mean it’s easy to talk a good game when it comes to socialist policies but implementing them is another story. Obama tries to give people healthcare and his reward is for Americans to vote out politicians who supported the ACA and give tea party crazies more government power. Implementing policies like other Social Democratic countries requires a paradigm shift in what people prioritize.

I think this is where we are 100% in agreement (I think). The Ds have moved left, the Rs have moved right (faster) and the population is still moderately conservative in the middle.

And to fix our problems - we need a paradigm shift of some sort - how it stands just isn't working.

I agree but also there is a need to take a position!
It is easy choice follow the Republican path which is further to the right with frankly less liberty for the populous and more control by a ruling elite! The other option is to follow the model of most social democracies especially the 4 English speaking ones. I think a choice is obvious!

See this is the thoughtful posting that was missing while you were gone. I’m of the opinion that the US has to choose a direction. Either keep Democrats in power for 2 decades or keep Republicans in power for 2 decades. All the back and forth is like a see saw. Obama had to clean up Bush’s mess, then Trump comes in and undoes everything Obama does then the next Democratic President is going to reverse what Trump has done. And so on and so forth.

[FAH1223]

Or none of the above

The reality is that government whether Republican or Democratic must face realities which neither have been capable of doing. Canada faced a similar crisis in the mid 90's national debt was 70% of GDP and rising. The government prioritized expenditures and raised taxes and imposed a General Sales Tax. Since that time Canada has reduced national debt to about 30% of GDP even taking into consideration the economic ramifications of the Bush 43 collapse of the economy.

The American people are not ready for reality and the latest tax program is just making things worse. Only the Republican Party in all the advanced democracies is pushing the Voodoo economic platform of trickle down economics. Canada is a much more socialistic country than the USA but is in better financial shape.
Why
1. All of Canadian Government Pension plans are fully funded and monies have been invested in the markets. The Federal Government can not borrow from those plans.
2. Canadian Healthcare is resilient and well funded and effective and cost conscious.
3. Canada has selectively added social welfare programs such as child care, 6 months of leave for after pregnancy.
4. Changes in laws regarding pot which will be legal nationwide in July of 2018 which reduces criminality and incarceration.
5. Canada is in the top performers on educating its populous. Plus has successfully dealt with many immigrants who have either English or French as a 2nd language.
6. Canada's immigration policy adds about .8% of both immigrants and refugees every year. Most of the immigrants are bringing both job skills and entrepreneurial skills to out Nation. Our refugee program is skilled in bringing families and women and children.
7. The Federal & Provincial Governments rarely to never give subsidies or tax breaks to new foreign investment. They do offer a skilled workforce, low cost healthcare and world competitive corporate tax rates. Prime example is in the 20 finalists for the Amazon 2nd HQ Toronto is the only jurisdiction who is not offering incentives just the quality of the city, Canada and a vibrant workforce.
The reality is the American people and its populous and political must realize that there isn't a free lunch. Going back to JFK they must role up there sleeves and say its not for what the country can do for you but what you can do for your country.

I always laugh when people say that a far left populist candidate would win in the US. The country is far more conservative(even the left leaning people) than they want to admit. A national sales tax would help alleviate a lot of the deficit concerns but the population would be up in arms. I mean it’s easy to talk a good game when it comes to socialist policies but implementing them is another story. Obama tries to give people healthcare and his reward is for Americans to vote out politicians who supported the ACA and give tea party crazies more government power. Implementing policies like other Social Democratic countries requires a paradigm shift in what people prioritize.

Most popular part of the ACA is the most progressive or 'socialist' part - expanded Medicaid.

We have to remember the ACA was original a Republican idea going to Richard Nixon in 1972.

The Dems from FDR/Truman till Jimmy Carter (and perhaps Clinton) were talking about some sort of national healthcare system.

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[DCZards]

what's next? the sky is blue? news flash: every single group, faction, or tribe in FOFS!! Every single one of them including every single group you belong. Everyone is a liar. Everyone in this thread has certainly lied through their teeth. thats' for sure. Everyone. You are all self serving hypocrites.

Are you including yourself in that group of "everyone." Because some of us on this thread believe you're leading the parade when it comes to lying.

But, of course, none of us come close to telling the number of lies that our Liar-in-Chief in the WH does. As I heard one news analyst say recently, "Trump lies on auto-pilot."

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[cammac]

I know that my next statement is against American pride but so be it! The government system in the USA doesn't work in fact it has become a farce.While the separation of powers was a goal of the founding fathers and was very admirable in its concept. Then with the addition the electoral college has strangled democracy. Rarely has any President had both houses with him through his tenure. This is now a likelihood that at least the house and less likely the Senate will change hands during the midterms. Which will blunt an administrations ability to govern.

The Parliamentary system is much more efficient the Prime Minister is the leader of the party which gets the most seats in Parliament. But it also lends itself for the ability of running more parties that influence a wider range of opinion. If a party doesn't get a majority which has happens in the Parliamentary system. The Prime Minister must gauge his legislation to incorporate ideas from the opposition. In Canada some of the most productive government have been minority government. The Senate or House of Lords in the Parliamentary system are basically figureheads. But the Supreme Court is much more of a factor and is very autonomous from Parliament. Its existence is to be the watch dog of the populous and a to maneuver the constitution in a direction that incorporates changes in society.
If the USA had a Parliamentary system I could see at least 4 viable parties Libertarian/Tea Party, Orthodox Republicans, Orthodox Democrats and Progressives plus a few fringe parties like the Greens.

I expect to be bombarded but what the heck it's the internet.

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What's this? does not compute!! Will rogers!!!

#wizardspridewillnotlietoday??

[Pointgod]

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Both parties are the same.....

[gtn130]

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Both parties are the same.....

Please stay focused on sustainable government