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Political Roundtable Part XVIII

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVIII 

Post#1381 » by JWizmentality » Mon Feb 19, 2018 5:19 pm

cammac wrote:A Politico Report!
The budget request calls for a $25 million reduction in funds designated for national school safety activities, compared with 2017. President Donald Trump's budget would eliminate altogether a $400 million grant program that districts can use, for example, to prevent bullying or provide mental health assistance.

Trump's budget would also zero out the School Emergency Response to Violence program, known as Project SERV — funded at $1 million in 2017 — that in years past provided millions in funds used by the district in Newtown. However, Hill said that the grant program's funds carry over from year to year and the department projects that a current $5.2 million balance will be sufficient to meet needs through the next fiscal year.


Its not only Trump but the whole Repulsive Republican Party and the equally Repulsive Defenders!



Republicans had to pay for their massive corporate giveaway somehow. It will be on the backs of the idiots who voted for him. You get what you vote for.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVIII 

Post#1382 » by cammac » Mon Feb 19, 2018 5:26 pm

Even a Fox News contributor acknowledges what phonies the Religious Right Leadership is in fawning to the Trumpster!
[/quote]Evangelical leader Franklin Graham, the son of the nation’s most famous evangelical preacher, Billy Graham, also defended Trump.

“That was a long time ago,” Graham told CNN’s Don Lemon in dismissing the porn star story. “I’m more interested in who a person is today. I believe he’s a changed person.”

Graham saves his fiery condemnations for what he calls the “godless progressive agenda of Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton.”[/quote]

That led Tara I. Burton to conclude in an article on Vox that Jeffress’ indifference about Trump’s nasty earlier comments about "shithole countries" in fact “revealed the dark heart of Christian nationalism: It is as much…about jingoism and ethno-nationalism as it ever has been about Christian values.”


http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/374480-juan-williams-evangelicals-sell-their-souls-for-trump
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVIII 

Post#1383 » by dckingsfan » Mon Feb 19, 2018 5:40 pm

JWizmentality wrote:
cammac wrote:A Politico Report!
The budget request calls for a $25 million reduction in funds designated for national school safety activities, compared with 2017. President Donald Trump's budget would eliminate altogether a $400 million grant program that districts can use, for example, to prevent bullying or provide mental health assistance.

Trump's budget would also zero out the School Emergency Response to Violence program, known as Project SERV — funded at $1 million in 2017 — that in years past provided millions in funds used by the district in Newtown. However, Hill said that the grant program's funds carry over from year to year and the department projects that a current $5.2 million balance will be sufficient to meet needs through the next fiscal year.

Its not only Trump but the whole Repulsive Republican Party and the equally Repulsive Defenders!

Republicans had to pay for their massive corporate giveaway somehow. It will be on the backs of the idiots who voted for him. You get what you vote for.

You guys do realize that this is more than just Trump. This has been building for quite some time. The cuts have been coming since the Clinton Administration. If it takes the Trump Administration to wake you up to sustainable government - so be it I guess.

Exhibit A: Look at the recent spending bill - both parties participated in budgetacide.

Exhibit B: Baseline spending has squeezed... it isn't about Trump - it is historical (and hysterical)

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVIII 

Post#1384 » by closg00 » Mon Feb 19, 2018 5:40 pm

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVIII 

Post#1385 » by cammac » Mon Feb 19, 2018 5:52 pm

dckingsfan wrote:
JWizmentality wrote:
cammac wrote:A Politico Report!

Its not only Trump but the whole Repulsive Republican Party and the equally Repulsive Defenders!

Republicans had to pay for their massive corporate giveaway somehow. It will be on the backs of the idiots who voted for him. You get what you vote for.

You guys do realize that this is more than just Trump. This has been building for quite some time. The cuts have been coming since the Clinton Administration. If it takes the Trump Administration to wake you up to sustainable government - so be it I guess.

Exhibit A: Look at the recent spending bill - both parties participated in budgetacide.

Exhibit B: Baseline spending has squeezed... it isn't about Trump - it is historical (and hysterical)

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dckingfan I believe I'm as much a fiscal conservative as you are in fact I was completely against all the tax cuts in Trump Tax plan with the exception of Corporate Tax cuts but only if loopholes were closed. The reality is that the USA needs higher taxes but taxes that benefit people.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVIII 

Post#1386 » by I_Like_Dirt » Mon Feb 19, 2018 6:02 pm

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I don't know any of the details behind this chart, but it really looks like all the corporate bailouts to automakers and financial institutions get lumped in with "entitlements." Not that they shouldn't be, but even with the cost-drivers problems, as they very clearly are, if I'm right in that assessment, it sure looks like those corporate bailouts caused a massive mess of problems that kickstarted spending growth in a way that was never going to be sustainable. The financial balance of power was already pretty tenuous at best, but those bailouts really tipped the scales. And now we have basically a repeat of bailouts disguised as massive tax cuts at a time when corporate finances clearly didn't need them. Add QE to the equation, and you have a rapidly increasing disparity in wealth, and the argument that the non super-wealthy are benefiting, too, is only being supported by unsustainable deficit spending, which, once brought back under control, will make things much clearer on why wealth disparity matters.

Edit:

You can also see the savings and loan bailout of 1989. And the bank bailouts of the 70s are right there, too. Basically, wherever there are bank bailouts, there is a massive spike in entitlement costs to GDP. To be honest, I hadn't really put that together before in so many words...
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVIII 

Post#1387 » by stilldropin20 » Mon Feb 19, 2018 8:05 pm

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dckingsfan wrote:Image


I don't know any of the details behind this chart, but it really looks like all the corporate bailouts to automakers and financial institutions get lumped in with "entitlements." Not that they shouldn't be, but even with the cost-drivers problems, as they very clearly are, if I'm right in that assessment, it sure looks like those corporate bailouts caused a massive mess of problems that kickstarted spending growth in a way that was never going to be sustainable. The financial balance of power was already pretty tenuous at best, but those bailouts really tipped the scales. And now we have basically a repeat of bailouts disguised as massive tax cuts at a time when corporate finances clearly didn't need them. Add QE to the equation, and you have a rapidly increasing disparity in wealth, and the argument that the non super-wealthy are benefiting, too, is only being supported by unsustainable deficit spending, which, once brought back under control, will make things much clearer on why wealth disparity matters.

Edit:

You can also see the savings and loan bailout of 1989. And the bank bailouts of the 70s are right there, too. Basically, wherever there are bank bailouts, there is a massive spike in entitlement costs to GDP. To be honest, I hadn't really put that together before in so many words...

Wealth disparity does matter. Let me know when the chicken Little’s are ready to seize the wealth.


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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVIII 

Post#1388 » by closg00 » Mon Feb 19, 2018 8:19 pm

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVIII 

Post#1389 » by cammac » Mon Feb 19, 2018 8:28 pm

stilldropin20 wrote:
I_Like_Dirt wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:Image


I don't know any of the details behind this chart, but it really looks like all the corporate bailouts to automakers and financial institutions get lumped in with "entitlements." Not that they shouldn't be, but even with the cost-drivers problems, as they very clearly are, if I'm right in that assessment, it sure looks like those corporate bailouts caused a massive mess of problems that kickstarted spending growth in a way that was never going to be sustainable. The financial balance of power was already pretty tenuous at best, but those bailouts really tipped the scales. And now we have basically a repeat of bailouts disguised as massive tax cuts at a time when corporate finances clearly didn't need them. Add QE to the equation, and you have a rapidly increasing disparity in wealth, and the argument that the non super-wealthy are benefiting, too, is only being supported by unsustainable deficit spending, which, once brought back under control, will make things much clearer on why wealth disparity matters.

Edit:

You can also see the savings and loan bailout of 1989. And the bank bailouts of the 70s are right there, too. Basically, wherever there are bank bailouts, there is a massive spike in entitlement costs to GDP. To be honest, I hadn't really put that together before in so many words...

Wealth disparity does matter. Let me know when the chicken Little’s are ready to seize the wealth.


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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVIII 

Post#1390 » by cammac » Mon Feb 19, 2018 8:47 pm

The Republicans definitely need more women in congress but this is the type they recruit.
A leading contender for a Houston-area congressional seat is offering no regrets for putting out a campaign mailer and television ads showing her carrying an assault-style weapon just days after the horrific killings in Parkland, Florida.

In the mailers, there are two pictures of Wall holding weapons on the front and back, with a statement saying: "Kathaleen Wall stands with Donald Trump: We must be vigilant to protect gun rights."

The mailer, which was produced days before the Parkland shooting, goes on to state: "Every day we are up against those who would take away our freedoms, restrict our liberties, and even those who want to abolish the Second Amendment."


Others have supported her, and Wall's campaign clearly is not backing down and only reiterating her support for gun rights.

"First we are incredibly saddened at the scenes in Parkland, Florida," said Matt Langston, a spokesman for Wall's campaign.

"What happened there on Wednesday is both a tragedy and a frustrating reminder that Americans must unite to improve mental health outcomes, recognize and act on warning signs for those in difficulty, and engage in productive debate on how to put heinous events like this to an end," he said.

"For Kathaleen's part, she's been a responsible gun owner for many decades and will remain a strong advocate for Americans Second Amendment Rights under the Constitution."


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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVIII 

Post#1391 » by closg00 » Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:32 pm

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVIII 

Post#1392 » by dckingsfan » Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:40 pm

I should have explained the chart - my bad. The Congressional Budget Act of 1974 started baseline budgeting - you can read more here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baseline_(budgeting)

Basically social spending got automatic increases and the rest was left to split among the descressionary programs. What you see on the figure below is that social services has continued to increase as a percentage of the budget squeezing programs like national school safety activities. There is really no choice but to squeeze that spending and defense. You can see that defense is actually falling faster than other descressionary (like national school safety programs). BTW, the bailout was descressionary spending. The blue line is SS, Medicare, Medicaid, ACA, etc.

You should get used to your favorite programs getting cut. They have to - even if they cut all of defense (which we know won't happen - and for good reason). Those other programs ARE GOING TO GET CUT.

It is just harder to realize that Trump isn't the culprit since he is such an a$$w!pe. It is our baseline budgeting and unwillingness to go after the cost drivers in our social services programs.

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVIII 

Post#1393 » by JWizmentality » Tue Feb 20, 2018 12:03 am

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Holy crap! Straight lines and edges! :lol: :lol:
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVIII 

Post#1394 » by closg00 » Tue Feb 20, 2018 12:17 am

Republicans practice bully politics, they will take as-much as they can by theft or suppression.
Republicans controlled the redistricting process in the state in 2011 and drew a map that gave their party a considerable advantage. In 2012, 2014 and 2016, they won 13 of the state’s 18 congressional seats, even though the party only won about 50 percent of the popular vote. GOP voter registration also lags behind Democrats significantly in the state. In a 5-2 decision last month, the state Supreme Court said the map “clearly, plainly and palpably” violated the state’s Constitution.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVIII 

Post#1396 » by gtn130 » Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:22 am

closg00 wrote:Republicans practice bully politics, they will take as-much as they can by theft or suppression.
Republicans controlled the redistricting process in the state in 2011 and drew a map that gave their party a considerable advantage. In 2012, 2014 and 2016, they won 13 of the state’s 18 congressional seats, even though the party only won about 50 percent of the popular vote. GOP voter registration also lags behind Democrats significantly in the state. In a 5-2 decision last month, the state Supreme Court said the map “clearly, plainly and palpably” violated the state’s Constitution.


Very strange how Republicans have to resort to such tactics when they indisputably represent the will of the people
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Post#1397 » by gtn130 » Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:24 am

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVIII 

Post#1398 » by dckingsfan » Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:58 am

gtn130 wrote:... Remember folks, both parties are the same.

In that they are both drowning us in debt :) Both practice unsustainable government - and then we wonder why the programs we like get cut...
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVIII 

Post#1399 » by dckingsfan » Tue Feb 20, 2018 3:01 am

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closg00 wrote:Republicans practice bully politics, they will take as-much as they can by theft or suppression.
Republicans controlled the redistricting process in the state in 2011 and drew a map that gave their party a considerable advantage. In 2012, 2014 and 2016, they won 13 of the state’s 18 congressional seats, even though the party only won about 50 percent of the popular vote. GOP voter registration also lags behind Democrats significantly in the state. In a 5-2 decision last month, the state Supreme Court said the map “clearly, plainly and palpably” violated the state’s Constitution.


Very strange how Republicans have to resort to such tactics when they indisputably represent the will of the people

You know, Maryland might be the most gerrymandered state... it is certainly in the top 10.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XVIII 

Post#1400 » by Zonkerbl » Tue Feb 20, 2018 3:04 am

Both parties aren’t the same, but neither is fiscally responsible. Republicans say they are and lie, Democrats don’t claim any desire for fiscal policy whatsoever but seem to be the only ones associated with positive financial results.
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