Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVI

[Dark Faze]

As a NBA fan in general, I see this team like my Hawks with Horford/Sap/Teague but no where near as good chemistry wise. Since no one is offering anything reasonable, I would honestly, just tank this season and since half of the team is free agents anyway that don't matter, my goals are simple- Get Zion Williamson. Simple as that. I would tank if I was Washington. Sit Beal and Porter and just tank.

No one is going to give you fair value for Beal. No one.
No one wants Wall's contract.
Porter just will not get back the value that's needed. He is too valuable to move. Just tank, get a top prospect and maybe next year if the wheels are still completely off track, then look at moving Porter. Just my take.

Yeah. If I can move Wall I do it for the salary relief. I fire fire the coach and GM, roll with an interim and see where the record falls at the end of the day. If you can maintain this core with a top 5 pick, the Wall contract stings a lot less, assuming the team can get back to where it's been in past years as just middling rather than being awful as they are now.

[King Ken]

As a NBA fan in general, I see this team like my Hawks with Horford/Sap/Teague but no where near as good chemistry wise. Since no one is offering anything reasonable, I would honestly, just tank this season and since half of the team is free agents anyway that don't matter, my goals are simple- Get Zion Williamson. Simple as that. I would tank if I was Washington. Sit Beal and Porter and just tank.

No one is going to give you fair value for Beal. No one.
No one wants Wall's contract.
Porter just will not get back the value that's needed. He is too valuable to move. Just tank, get a top prospect and maybe next year if the wheels are still completely off track, then look at moving Porter. Just my take.

Yeah. If I can move Wall I do it for the salary relief. I fire fire the coach and GM, roll with an interim and see where the record falls at the end of the day. If you can maintain this core with a top 5 pick, the Wall contract stings a lot less, assuming the team can get back to where it's been in past years as just middling rather than being awful as they are now.

Wiz been shopping Wall for a minute. Teams around the NBA are treating that contract like its Luol Deng's. People look at that type of money like if it's not Davis, Durant or Curry. It's a bad contract. That includes Harden and Westbrook too. But if it's a bad contract for Harden and Westbrook. You already know what they think about it for Wall.

[Dark Faze]

People look at that type of money like if it's not Davis, Durant or Curry. It's a bad contract. That includes Harden and Westbrook too. But if it's a bad contract for Harden and Westbrook. You already know what they think about it for Wall.

They have not been shopping Wall at all. Zero. Perhaps they've finally put out some low key feelers this in the last week given our struggles, but there's no way they've ever even considered it before then. Our front office is "extremely patient and loyal."

You're certainly right about Wall being overpaid--but he's worth a max deal. He's just not worth the supermax--which is an overpay by about 10 million a year. If you're a team with some decent young talent with no ability to recruit free agents (Phoenix Suns), that cap space is just going to sit there anyway. Just like when the Nuggets paid Millsap 30+million when they did--because it was better than doing basically nothing with it.

[King Ken]

People look at that type of money like if it's not Davis, Durant or Curry. It's a bad contract. That includes Harden and Westbrook too. But if it's a bad contract for Harden and Westbrook. You already know what they think about it for Wall.

They have not been shopping Wall at all. Zero. Perhaps they've finally put out some low key feelers this in the last week given our struggles, but there's no way they've ever even considered it before then. Our front office is "extremely patient and loyal."

You're certainly right about Wall being overpaid--but he's worth a max deal. He's just not worth the supermax--which is an overpay by about 10 million a year. If you're a team with some decent young talent with no ability to recruit free agents (Phoenix Suns), that cap space is just going to sit there anyway. Just like when the Nuggets paid Millsap 30+million when they did--because it was better than doing basically nothing with it.

Yes they have. Just cause they do not call it shopping. Asking what teams would want to give for all of its players is shopping them. Too many teams are calling that contract the worst in the NBA.

[WallToWall]

http://basketballnewsdaily.com/evaluating-otto-porter-jr-as-a-trade-target/
Pels looking like a trading partner for Porter.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

No argument about Mahinmi. Or Rivers. But, that doesn't make it a good trade for us.

First off, the trade leaves us in the tax. We can't be there. Secondly, it doesn't really make us enough better to matter this year.

Then, next year, after the expirings go away, we have Courtney Lee instead of Mahinmi ($5m savings & a better player, but not enough difference to make a difference), & we don't have a (probably lottery pick) rookie.

Doesn't make sense for us. We're not in a position to give up another R1 pick.

Generally speaking. Teams with a 1-5 record don't go around trading their 1st round pick for salary relief. At the moment, that pick projects to us getting Zion Williamson.

God wiped out an opinion that I'm best not sharing.

[Illmatic12]

People look at that type of money like if it's not Davis, Durant or Curry. It's a bad contract. That includes Harden and Westbrook too. But if it's a bad contract for Harden and Westbrook. You already know what they think about it for Wall.

They have not been shopping Wall at all. Zero. Perhaps they've finally put out some low key feelers this in the last week given our struggles, but there's no way they've ever even considered it before then. Our front office is "extremely patient and loyal."

You're certainly right about Wall being overpaid--but he's worth a max deal. He's just not worth the supermax--which is an overpay by about 10 million a year. If you're a team with some decent young talent with no ability to recruit free agents (Phoenix Suns), that cap space is just going to sit there anyway. Just like when the Nuggets paid Millsap 30+million when they did--because it was better than doing basically nothing with it.

Yes they have. Just cause they do not call it shopping. Asking what teams would want to give for all of its players is shopping them. Too many teams are calling that contract the worst in the NBA.

Please. You don’t know anything about Washington’s front office/management if you think they’ve even considered asking teams about Wall. Ernie Grunfeld will never trade Wall. NEVER.

Leonsis would have to fire him and bring in a new GM and give him permission to start making those calls, that’s how it would happen. Grunfeld shopping Wall would basically be him admitting his failure to rebuild , for the third time in 15 years he’s completely botched a rebuild. And he is far too arrogant and smug to admit failure in any way. He’s never publicly taken responsibility for anything.

[Dat2U]

I'm down for a simple swap of stars who need a change of scenery.

Jimmy Butler for John Wall straight up.

Wolves ensure they get long a term all-star for the expiring Butler and the Wizards get out of Wall's salary commitment.

[dckingsfan]

I'm down for a simple swap of stars who need a change of scenery.

Jimmy Butler for John Wall straight up.

Wolves ensure they get long a term all-star for the expiring Butler and the Wizards get out of Wall's salary commitment.

this is a duh, no brainer now...

Sato, Beal, Butler, Porter, Howard (would actually be MUCH better)
Oubre, Brown, Morris, Mahimni (Yeah, no backup PG)

DNP (DCKingsFan wish)
Green, Rivers, Smith (although he is playing reasonably well thus far)

[Dark Faze]

yea, that'd be nice, but Wall/Wiggins/Towns is...a lot of bad money and not a good result.

If thibs is dumb enough to fall for it then fine, but yeesh, that'd set that team back quite a bit

[Earth2Ted]

I’d do butler for Otto in a heartbeat. I think I’d do butler for beal though a little tougher call. Neither beal nor Otto is as good as they think they are, as good as they need to be, and are neither Max players Nor meshing well with John Wall.

I get what guys are thinking about trying to trade wall, but I think it’s a little early to give up on him, and anyway it’s his team come hell or high water, at least until he physically breaks down like Gilbert did.

Maybe the more hopeful analogy is he’s a little like Alex Ovechkin who most of us would’ve written off as not a Stanley cup type of guy - until we actually got the right pieces around him and waited for him to grow up a bit.

[payitforward]

I’d do butler for Otto in a heartbeat. I think I’d do butler for beal though a little tougher call. Neither beal nor Otto is as good as they think they are, as good as they need to be, and are neither Max players Nor meshing well with John Wall.

I get what guys are thinking about trying to trade wall, but I think it’s a little early to give up on him, and anyway it’s his team come hell or high water, at least until he physically breaks down like Gilbert did.

Maybe the more hopeful analogy is he’s a little like Alex Ovechkin who most of us would’ve written off as not a Stanley cup type of guy - until we actually got the right pieces around him and waited for him to grow up a bit.

That's not an analogy, that's a fantasy.

Alex Ovechkin is a hockey superstar. What makes you put John Wall at his level?

What makes you think Beal is a better player than Porter?

In any case, Beal or Butler is the start of a rebuild, since Butler will opt out next year. So why not get the biggest salary off the books? Starting next year we owe him over $180m for 4 years. No easy way to rebuild w/ that boatanchor contract.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I'm down for a simple swap of stars who need a change of scenery.

Jimmy Butler for John Wall straight up.

Wolves ensure they get long a term all-star for the expiring Butler and the Wizards get out of Wall's salary commitment.

DAMN STRAIGHT.

Seems like the DeRozan/Leonard swap w slightly lesser players.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I WOULD WAIT, however, for about 5 games.

[queridiculo]

http://basketballnewsdaily.com/evaluating-otto-porter-jr-as-a-trade-target/
Pels looking like a trading partner for Porter.

Why, they don't have anything of value to offer...

[Knicksfan20]

With howard coming back you still need a backup. Kanter is one of the best backup bigs in the league.
Courtney Lee is one of the best 3 D players in the league. Consistent 40% from 3 shooter and a good defender.
Trey Burke is a solid NBA player. He definitely turned things around.


Id consider a Kanter for Mahimimi + FRP deal, but id like to dump Lees contract if i can. Taking on Mahmimi contract now means we have 0 shot at Durant next year. Not sure if it would be worth it for us to take on that salary.

Ill just quote myself from 2 pages ago. I feel like WASH and NYK could be good trade partners.

Kanter absolutely abused your team last night in limited minutes...hes 20x better then any bench big you have on your team and he has a 1 year contract.

Burke can light it up in a short time period. He has greatly improved since his first stint with Washington.

Courtney Lee would be extremely valuable with his consistent defense and shooting to go along with his leadership. only a 2 year deal.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ycoytpvy


Washington trades: Mahimi, Jason Smith, Rivers, and 2018 first round pick (top 13 protection) ( u can throw in santoransky if u want to save some extra money this season. )

Knicks Trade: Kanter, Courtney Lee, Trey Burke.



If you dont want Burke, Knicks are fine with keeping him.
If you want to Keep either Santoransky, Smith, Rivers, Mahimi then u can keep any of those guys u want. ALl 4 would probably get cut on the Knicks or just sit on the bench.


If your goal is to save money this season, then u can do that by throwing in Smith and Santoransky.
If your goal is to save money next season then this also accomplishes that.
If your goal is to be more competitive this season and try to turn things around with an improved roster,this accomplishes that.

If you want to shed one of your big 3 and try to "tank" for a pick this year, then this does not accomplish that.


I dont see why you should be looking to do #4 . You guys made bad decisions salary wise...You dont have much choice other then to ride it out and try to improve the roster the best way possible in order to make noise in the playoffs. Your team has not been healthy yet this season, i would not be discouraged yet. Being able to improve your roster by getting rid of garbage should be a no brainer.


Howard/Kanter
Morris/Green
Porter/Oubre
Beal/Lee/Santoransky
Wall/Burke/Santoransky

Thats a pretty respectable rotation.
Dotson/Trier/Knox/Frank/Robinson not for sale.

[pcbothwel]

lol.
We're not giving up Sato and a 1st to save a couple mil and get a slight upgrade from Ian/Rivers to Kanter/Lee.

[nate33]

They have not been shopping Wall at all. Zero. Perhaps they've finally put out some low key feelers this in the last week given our struggles, but there's no way they've ever even considered it before then. Our front office is "extremely patient and loyal."

You're certainly right about Wall being overpaid--but he's worth a max deal. He's just not worth the supermax--which is an overpay by about 10 million a year. If you're a team with some decent young talent with no ability to recruit free agents (Phoenix Suns), that cap space is just going to sit there anyway. Just like when the Nuggets paid Millsap 30+million when they did--because it was better than doing basically nothing with it.

Yes they have. Just cause they do not call it shopping. Asking what teams would want to give for all of its players is shopping them. Too many teams are calling that contract the worst in the NBA.

Please. You don’t know anything about Washington’s front office/management if you think they’ve even considered asking teams about Wall. Ernie Grunfeld will never trade Wall. NEVER.

Leonsis would have to fire him and bring in a new GM and give him permission to start making those calls, that’s how it would happen. Grunfeld shopping Wall would basically be him admitting his failure to rebuild , for the third time in 15 years he’s completely botched a rebuild. And he is far too arrogant and smug to admit failure in any way. He’s never publicly taken responsibility for anything.

This.

Also, let's not forget that EG is NEVER proactive, he is reactive. He always waits too long before making the necessary decision - enough time for our assets to devalue or for the price of the asset we'd be acquiring to rise. If Wall is to be traded, it won't happen sometime this December after Wall has had 5 good games in a row, it'll happen at the trade deadline next year, probably after Wall has had a minor injury, when EG suddenly realizes that the luxtax costs are too high and he makes a panic fire sale on Wall, giving out picks just to unload him.

[Dark Faze]

He's really gotta be traded this year. Bringing back 80% (or whatever figure it is) for the salary match of 38 million will be that much harder for a trade.

You've also got to do it before the year is up if you want any chance of watching Sato/Beal/Porter/Howard. Sato is going to be RUNNING away from DC after this season unless we show him some loyalty quickly.

[nate33]

He's really gotta be traded this year. Bringing back 80% (or whatever figure it is) for the salary match of 38 million will be that much harder for a trade.

You've also got to do it before the year is up if you want any chance of watching Sato/Beal/Porter/Howard. Sato is going to be RUNNING away from DC after this season unless we show him some loyalty quickly.

You know that, and I know that, but that doesn't mean EG has figured it out.