Line-ups, rotation, analysis thread.

dckingsfan · Post #1381 » by **dckingsfan** » Sun Jan 29, 2023 5:14 pm

deneem4 wrote:Beal

Deni
Kuzma

KP
Gafford

That would be a very interesting lineup for next year.

On defense, you could hide Beal with Deni/Kuzma taking the best wings and Deni being able to handle many (not all) PG assignments (hence why I flipped the Deni/Kuz rotation). It could be a top 10 defense (opinion).

On offense, this could be very solid if you run the offense through KP, use Deni and Kuz as your ball handlers, run Beal off of constant screens, and the elephant in the room, Deni has to at least become a 2 level scorer (hitting 3s on a more consistent basis would be awesome (especially in the .370+ range - but at this point that is just wishful thinking).

If nothing else, this can be a rotation even if it isn't a starting rotation. But unless Deni and/or Gafford make a HUGE jumps, it still isn't an elite team. I doubt Beal, Kuz or KP get any better.

dckingsfan · Post #1382 » by **dckingsfan** » Sun Jan 29, 2023 5:52 pm

For the long-term, I don't like that Nunn is playing over Godwin (opinion).

payitforward · Post #1383 » by **payitforward** » Tue Jan 31, 2023 2:55 pm

I don't like it for the short-term either.

OTOH, keep in mind that Goodwin is a 2-way player. He can only appear in so many games for the NBA club. I.e. I wouldn't read anything into this pattern.

Post #1384 » by **nate33** » Tue Jan 31, 2023 3:01 pm

Nunn might be being showcased for a Trade Deadline deal. He can't be packaged with another player, but he can be moved on his own. Maybe Sheppard can get a 2nd round pick and expiring contract for him.

We really don't need both Barton and Nunn for the final 35 games. I'm guessing Sheppard is trying hard to move one of them for anything he can get.

payitforward · Post #1385 » by **payitforward** » Tue Jan 31, 2023 4:16 pm

Makes perfect sense, nate -- may you be right! In fact... maybe he will move both of them!

SUPERBALLMAN · Post #1386 » by **SUPERBALLMAN** » Tue Jan 31, 2023 4:29 pm

I criticized Kispert, but last 2 games I think have been his best. He’s looking for his shot, not making those ultra quick pass backs, even giving some pump fake action to get his shot off!

Love the play lately of Gafford and Deni, both stepping up, and gaining comfort and confidence in their roles.

I’d be interested in Hyland who Denver is looking to move. We have some working relationships with them to perhaps help facilitate a deal.

billikenroy · Post #1387 » by **billikenroy** » Tue Jan 31, 2023 5:19 pm

first time poster in a LONG time but a close follower. obviously by my moniker, i am a big goodwin fan.
so what you guys are saying trade either or both of sheppard and nunn then give goodwin the full contract am i correct?

bsilver · Post #1388 » by **bsilver** » Tue Jan 31, 2023 7:33 pm

billikenroy wrote:first time poster in a LONG time but a close follower. obviously by my moniker, i am a big goodwin fan.
so what you guys are saying trade either or both of sheppard and nunn then give goodwin the full contract am i correct?

Don't think you meant trading Sheppard, but trading GMs with Denver would be nice. We do have to reduce our roster by one to sign Goodwin. Nunn's been playing well. Would like to keep him and Goodwin here.

bsilver · Post #1389 » by **bsilver** » Tue Jan 31, 2023 7:42 pm

Kispert continues to get abused on defense. Sochan going off in the first quarter was the latest example. If he gets a lot of 3 point opportunities, then Kispert can be a net positive. No reason to think Bones Hyland would be any better. Maybe play Wright/Goodwin more at the 2/3.

payitforward · Post #1390 » by **payitforward** » Tue Jan 31, 2023 7:55 pm

billikenroy wrote:first time poster in a LONG time but a close follower. obviously by my moniker, i am a big goodwin fan.
so what you guys are saying trade either or both of sheppard and nunn then give goodwin the full contract am i correct?

I don't immediately understand the relationship between your moniker & Goodwin....

Yes, that's certainly my idea -- Sheppard trades both Nunn & Barton (pretty sure that's what you meant...) for picks, or picks & a single player, which opens a spot for Goodwin on the regular roster.

Ideally, trade Todd as well. But that might not be possible.

dckingsfan · Post #1391 » by **dckingsfan** » Tue Jan 31, 2023 8:03 pm

bsilver wrote:Kispert continues to get abused on defense. Sochan going off in the first quarter was the latest example. If he gets a lot of 3 point opportunities, then Kispert can be a net positive. No reason to think Bones Hyland would be any better. Maybe play Wright/Goodwin more at the 2/3.

I think we will eventually find that Kispert is best off the bench and as a 2/3 not just a 3. But the run is going well now so stay with it?

BearlyBallin · Post #1392 » by **BearlyBallin** » Tue Jan 31, 2023 8:22 pm

payitforward wrote:
billikenroy wrote:first time poster in a LONG time but a close follower. obviously by my moniker, i am a big goodwin fan.
so what you guys are saying trade either or both of sheppard and nunn then give goodwin the full contract am i correct?

I don't immediately understand the relationship between your moniker & Goodwin....

Yes, that's certainly my idea -- Sheppard trades both Nunn & Barton (pretty sure that's what you meant...) for picks, or picks & a single player, which opens a spot for Goodwin on the regular roster.

Ideally, trade Todd as well. But that might not be possible.

Watch on YouTube

I think Goodwin went to SLU, their mascot is Billiken.

payitforward · Post #1393 » by **payitforward** » Tue Jan 31, 2023 8:47 pm

Got it! Very cool...

hey billikenroy -- if you're proposing Goodwin as a rookie of the year candidate (i.e. "roy"), unfortunately he doesn't qualify -- he played 8 minutes for us last year & is officially a 2d year player....

tleikheen · Post #1394 » by **tleikheen** » Wed Feb 1, 2023 7:23 pm

I saw recently Orlando's young bigs length and height was credited with a "big" part of why they are starting to win ..... Against the Wiz ,the Wiz showed them "big" as the young Orlando squad was taught a lesson on the way to use that length by a team "bigger" on the front line.
Problem is the Wiz don't always take advantage on their own length and heigth settling for 3's and playing away from the basket. Gafford and Avidja making noise by their play and Kuz and KP putting in nightly 20 pt games is showing how the Wiz need to play to keep winning.

billikenroy · Post #1395 » by **billikenroy** » Wed Feb 1, 2023 9:43 pm

payitforward, i just want goodwin to get a real contract. i and the rest of the billiken fandom is very frustrated that he is being shuffled around just to avoid cutting someone and creating a spot. or are the wizards so cheap they want to get off of giving him a full minimum contract? just what's the story? if seems he has earned a right to be a full player. why jerking him around?

GoneShammGone · Post #1396 » by **GoneShammGone** » Wed Feb 1, 2023 9:54 pm

billikenroy wrote:payitforward, i just want goodwin to get a real contract. i and the rest of the billiken fandom is very frustrated that he is being shuffled around just to avoid cutting someone and creating a spot. or are the wizards so cheap they want to get off of giving him a full minimum contract? just what's the story? if seems he has earned a right to be a full player. why jerking him around?

Dude.... welcome to Wizards fandom. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but its only gonna get worse. Wizards have a loooooooong tradition of ignoring talented and hard-working young players in favor of giving playing time to veterans because of their veteranosity. Garrison Mathews, Troy Brown, Gary Payton III, Otto Porter (early on), all got the treatment, and now its Jordan and Vernon Carey's turn. Wes Jr doesn't seem that bad, but Scott Brooks and Randy Whitman *hated* rookies.

dckingsfan · Post #1397 » by **dckingsfan** » Wed Feb 1, 2023 10:10 pm

GoneShammGone wrote:
billikenroy wrote:payitforward, i just want goodwin to get a real contract. i and the rest of the billiken fandom is very frustrated that he is being shuffled around just to avoid cutting someone and creating a spot. or are the wizards so cheap they want to get off of giving him a full minimum contract? just what's the story? if seems he has earned a right to be a full player. why jerking him around?

Dude.... welcome to Wizards fandom. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but its only gonna get worse. Wizards have a loooooooong tradition of ignoring talented and hard-working young players in favor of giving playing time to veterans because of their veteranosity. Garrison Mathews, Troy Brown, Gary Payton III, Otto Porter (early on), all got the treatment, and now its Jordan and Vernon Carey's turn. Wes Jr doesn't seem that bad, but Scott Brooks and Randy Whitman *hated* rookies.

I think that it was PIF that said that two-way contract player can only play so many minutes.

I think it a foregone conclusion that Jordan is going to get a contract. I think someone also mentioned they might be auditioning Nunn for a trade.

Although I want Goodwin to play now - being patient is probably our best bet and hoping that the Wizards learned their lesson with the Mathews saga - but #soWizards can strike at any time.

AFM · Post #1398 » by **AFM** » Wed Feb 1, 2023 10:59 pm

dckingsfan wrote:
GoneShammGone wrote:
billikenroy wrote:payitforward, i just want goodwin to get a real contract. i and the rest of the billiken fandom is very frustrated that he is being shuffled around just to avoid cutting someone and creating a spot. or are the wizards so cheap they want to get off of giving him a full minimum contract? just what's the story? if seems he has earned a right to be a full player. why jerking him around?

Dude.... welcome to Wizards fandom. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but its only gonna get worse. Wizards have a loooooooong tradition of ignoring talented and hard-working young players in favor of giving playing time to veterans because of their veteranosity. Garrison Mathews, Troy Brown, Gary Payton III, Otto Porter (early on), all got the treatment, and now its Jordan and Vernon Carey's turn. Wes Jr doesn't seem that bad, but Scott Brooks and Randy Whitman *hated* rookies.

I think that it was PIF that said that two-way contract player can only play so many minutes.

I think it a foregone conclusion that Jordan is going to get a contract. I think someone also mentioned they might be auditioning Nunn for a trade.

Although I want Goodwin to play now - being patient is probably our best bet and hoping that the Wizards learned their lesson with the Mathews saga - but #soWizards can strike at any time.

It's not minutes but rather a max of 50 games a year. Also, if I'm not mistaken, 2 way players can't play in the postseason and it looks like we're going to make the playoffs at this rate. So they'll have to make room for Goodwin if they want him on the roster this postseason.

9 and 20 · Post #1399 » by **9 and 20** » Thu Feb 2, 2023 8:34 pm

Just took a look at the standings. You all realize that we are witnessing a climb to heights the Wiz have never achieved? We are four games back of the Heat, who lead the Southeast Division. Division standing is meaningless for playoff seeding I think. But I'm sure it means something to Terd who will hang up another banner in the rafters, next to the 10-3 one from last year. Chalk another one up for the mid build and ghost of Grundle.

payitforward · Post #1400 » by **payitforward** » Fri Feb 3, 2023 3:23 am

billikenroy wrote:payitforward, i just want goodwin to get a real contract. i and the rest of the billiken fandom is very frustrated that he is being shuffled around just to avoid cutting someone and creating a spot. or are the wizards so cheap they want to get off of giving him a full minimum contract? just what's the story? if seems he has earned a right to be a full player. why jerking him around?

We all want Goodwin to get a real contract!

But... in the NBA you can't just cut someone to create a roster spot -- not, that is, w/o paying his salary (wch still counts towards luxtax, etc.). If we cut Todd, no one would notice he was gone, & there would be room to sign Jordan G.

But... we'd be in the tax!
We're not going into luxtax territory to sign Goodwin (or anybody).

A spot might open at the trade deadline. If not, I'm sure the Wizards and Goodwin's agent have already created a framework for a regular contract next year.