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Re: Wiz Acquiring Hinrich and #17? 

Post#141 » by Dat2U » Thu Jun 24, 2010 9:08 pm

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Ji wrote:I thought we were rebuilding? How is getting Hienrich and Childress rebuilding? Those are pieces you add when your trying to win a title


It's rebuilding EG style. Aim toward the middle of the pack but pay through the ceiling high.


Bingo. There's enough evidence to see that these are all trademark EG moves.
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Re: Wiz Acquiring Hinrich and #17? 

Post#142 » by Dat2U » Thu Jun 24, 2010 9:10 pm

Someone please tell me the 2nd best player LeBron has had the fortune of playing with since he's been in the NBA.

I rest my case.
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Re: Wiz Acquiring Hinrich and #17? 

Post#143 » by sfam » Thu Jun 24, 2010 9:11 pm

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wake20 wrote:Regardless of your opinion of Hinrich or whether or not this is a deep draft, we may go down as the reason the Bulls become legit title contenders for the next 5+ years. When we finally rebuild and they smoke us in the playoffs, we will have no one to blame but ourselves.


But you can make that argument against any team in the eastern conference that we execute a BOYD strategy with. Essentially you're saying we shouldn't be doing a BOYD strategy. At least Chicago isn't in our division.


No you can't. This is a unique situation. I'm mainly taking about Chicago & Miami. The two teams in position to land two legitimate stars and surround them with additional talent (CHI: Rose & Noah, MIA: Wade).

We might get Elliot Williams out of it, but if this deal helps Chicago land LeBron & someone else, we'll be signing the blues for the next 5 years.


Well gosh, who do you think is most interested in doing the BOYD thing with us? My guess is its gonna be the teams gunning for the Lebron sweepstakes. Again, if someone is doing this deal, they are looking to bring on a Max FA. If that's our criteria, we probably should be blocking all BOYD strategies with any team wanting a Max FA.
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Re: Wiz Acquiring Hinrich and #17? 

Post#144 » by NbdyBeatsTheWiz » Thu Jun 24, 2010 9:11 pm

The sky is always falling in these parts, isn't it?

I'll admit it wasn't ideal, but we've been pushing BOYD strategies for months now. As Sfam pointed out, any team we made a BOYD trade with would have a better chance at a free agent, and a knee jerk reaction would be to say "we just handed them a championship". But who's to say they don't sign Joe Johnson and Carlos Boozer and flame out?

I'll also take a wait and see approach to see how tonight plays out. Maybe somebody slips, maybe we actully get a piece of the rebuild puzzle. As Nate pointed out, we were likely going to pay Livingston a decent chunk (maybe 12 mil) to play Hinrich's role, and with this we get an additional pick. Wasn't the additional pick part of the plan that most have been preaching?

Now we can at least put to sleep the ridiculous notion that EG is asleep at the wheel. And don't ask for him to wake up when you know you'll complain as soon as he does something. Now "Teddy is asleep at the wheel"... cracks me up.

But like I said, I'm waiting and seeing. WAY too much is still up in the air to get my skivvies in a bunch. That said I'm feeling more positive than negative though at this point (but that could all be due to the fact we're about to draft John freaking Wall).
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Re: Wiz Acquiring Hinrich and #17? 

Post#145 » by keynote » Thu Jun 24, 2010 9:13 pm

To the naysayers: with Melo and Durant off the market, where are all of these other lopsided deals to be had, between this offseason and the next? Seriously: which vulnerable team with young available talent should we have exploited instead?
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Re: Wiz Acquiring Hinrich and #17? 

Post#146 » by WizarDynasty » Thu Jun 24, 2010 9:13 pm

Who feels a need at position 17
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Re: Wiz Acquiring Hinrich and #17? 

Post#147 » by Hoopalotta » Thu Jun 24, 2010 9:14 pm

Yeah, there were rumors of Hinrich to Indy a few days ago. Might be something there.
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Re: Wiz Acquiring Hinrich and #17? 

Post#148 » by wake20 » Thu Jun 24, 2010 9:14 pm

I'd grab Patrick Patterson if he somehow falls to #17
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Re: Wiz Acquiring Hinrich and #17? 

Post#149 » by SportsWorld » Thu Jun 24, 2010 9:15 pm

David Aldridge is saying the deal is done on NBA.com
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Re: Wiz Acquiring Hinrich and #17? 

Post#150 » by fishercob » Thu Jun 24, 2010 9:15 pm

David Aldridge wrote:The Washington Wizards and Chicago Bulls have agreed to a trade that will send Bulls guard Kirk Hinrich and Chicago's first-round pick, 17th overall, to Washington for a future second-round pick, a league source confirmed Thursday. The deal will clear Hinrich's $9 million salary off of the Bulls' salary cap for next season, as well as the $1.3 million in guaranteed first-year money they would have had to pay their first-round pick, and reduce Chicago's payroll for next season to $22.8 million--which would, if the current projection of a $56.1 million salary cap for the 2010-11 season holds, allow the Bulls to be able to sign two maximum salaried free agents starting next week.

The Wizards have coveted the 29-year-old Hinrich for several seasons, wanting his veteran presence in their backcourt and his ability to play both guard spots. Besides his on-court skill Washington believes that Hinrich can be a solid mentor for John Wall, whom the Wizards will take with the first pick in tonight's NBA Draft. Hinrich was a good instructor for Derrick Rose, the Bulls' star guard who was also taken first overall in the Draft two years ago.

The deal also gives Washington some flexibility in case Gilbert Arenas does not return to form following last season's 50-game suspension that he received from NBA Commissioner David Stern after the infamous guns in the locker room incident with former teammate Javaris Crittenton. The Wizards now will have a solid three-guard rotation and will not bring back veteran Randy Foye next season.

Washington also has three first-round picks. The Wizards had been trying to get a pick in the teens in addition to their first overall pick and the 30th and last pick in the first round.
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Re: Wiz Acquiring Hinrich and #17? 

Post#151 » by sfam » Thu Jun 24, 2010 9:16 pm

NbdyBeatsTheWiz wrote:But like I said, I'm waiting and seeing. WAY too much is still up in the air to get my skivvies in a bunch. That said I'm feeling more positive than negative though at this point (but that could all be due to the fact we're about to draft John freaking Wall).


+1

I'm tempted to dig up the Bill Paxton "Its game over, Game Over!" sound clip from Aliens. Quick - someone tell me what else San Antonio did the year they got Tim Duncan? Anyone know this without looking? What about Cleveland besides Lebron? Bottom line, years from now, the only thing people will remember about the Wizards and this draft is that we got John Freaking Wall!
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Re: Wiz Acquiring Hinrich and #17? 

Post#152 » by wake20 » Thu Jun 24, 2010 9:17 pm

A future 2nd? Damn.
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Re: Wiz Acquiring Hinrich and #17? 

Post#153 » by LyricalRico » Thu Jun 24, 2010 9:17 pm

Hoopalotta wrote:Yeah, there were rumors of Hinrich to Indy a few days ago. Might be something there.


Very interesting.
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Re: Wiz Acquiring Hinrich and #17? 

Post#154 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Thu Jun 24, 2010 9:17 pm

wake20 wrote:Regardless of your opinion of Hinrich or whether or not this is a deep draft, we may go down as the reason the Bulls become legit title contenders for the next 5+ years. When we finally rebuild and they smoke us in the playoffs, we will have no one to blame but ourselves.


Why does Denver have Ty Lawson? Why does San Antonio have Blair (and Roger Mason the year before that)? Why do the Timberwolves have the rights to Rubio (I say should have been Stephen Curry)? Why does Dallas have Brendan Haywood's rights when Cuban would have done the Butler deal without Haywood being included in the deal?

Why is somebody sure to get Arenas for basically a ham sandwich soon?

"We have no one to blame but ourselves" EG will be long fired is my prediction, when Chicago owns a couple championships in the next 5 years, and as the Wizards keep rebuilding around a 40-win team.

I've got no way to predict the future but I can see where EG is setting other teams better than a volleyball setter from the back row.
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Re: Wiz Acquiring Hinrich and #17? 

Post#155 » by fishercob » Thu Jun 24, 2010 9:17 pm

WizarDynasty wrote:Who feels a need at position 17


I do. You feel it too?
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Re: Wiz Acquiring Hinrich and #17? 

Post#156 » by wake20 » Thu Jun 24, 2010 9:17 pm

nbadraftnet‎: Rumor Damion James could be the target at 17 for Washington Wizards
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Re: Wiz Acquiring Hinrich and #17? 

Post#157 » by LyricalRico » Thu Jun 24, 2010 9:17 pm

fishercob wrote:
WizarDynasty wrote:Who feels a need at position 17


I do. You feel it too?


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Re: Wiz Acquiring Hinrich and #17? 

Post#158 » by sfam » Thu Jun 24, 2010 9:21 pm

wake20 wrote:nbadraftnet‎: Rumor Damion James could be the target at 17 for Washington Wizards


I haven't looked at James at all, nor do I remember him playing. Anyone watch him last year who remembers?
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Re: Wiz Acquiring Hinrich and #17? 

Post#159 » by Dat2U » Thu Jun 24, 2010 9:22 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
wake20 wrote:Regardless of your opinion of Hinrich or whether or not this is a deep draft, we may go down as the reason the Bulls become legit title contenders for the next 5+ years. When we finally rebuild and they smoke us in the playoffs, we will have no one to blame but ourselves.


Why does Denver have Ty Lawson? Why does San Antonio have Blair (and Roger Mason the year before that)? Why do the Timberwolves have the rights to Rubio (I say should have been Stephen Curry)? Why does Dallas have Brendan Haywood's rights when Cuban would have done the Butler deal without Haywood being included in the deal?

Why is somebody sure to get Arenas for basically a ham sandwich soon?

"We have no one to blame but ourselves" EG will be long fired is my prediction, when Chicago owns a couple championships in the next 5 years, and as the Wizards keep rebuilding around a 40-win team.

I've got no way to predict the future but I can see where EG is setting other teams better than a volleyball setter from the back row.


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Re: Wiz Acquiring Hinrich and #17? 

Post#160 » by NbdyBeatsTheWiz » Thu Jun 24, 2010 9:22 pm

one thing I don't get is all the rumors we're targeting guards at 17. Babbitt, George, Patterson, and Aldrich were Thomsen's picks 11-14, I'd be salivating heavy if one of them dropped to #17.

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