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11/14 Game #7: Wiz @ Mavs 8:30 PM EST

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Re: 11/14 Game #7: Wiz @ Mavs 8:30 PM EST 

Post#141 » by truwizfan4evr » Thu Nov 15, 2012 4:31 am

dangermouse wrote:Well, if we want him to be a PF/C he's going to have to hit the juice and hit the d-league for a while.

Sending him to d-league would be good for him. He can develop without pressure on him and he can build up his confidence.
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Re: 11/14 Game #7: Wiz @ Mavs 8:30 PM EST 

Post#142 » by mhd » Thu Nov 15, 2012 4:32 am

I never wanted Vessley. After the dissapointment of landing the 6th pick, I remember wanting to trade it for Gortat.
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Re: 11/14 Game #7: Wiz @ Mavs 8:30 PM EST 

Post#143 » by dangermouse » Thu Nov 15, 2012 4:39 am

mhd wrote:I never wanted Vessley. After the dissapointment of landing the 6th pick, I remember wanting to trade it for Gortat.


If i had Gortat, I wouldnt have traded him for the #6th pick...
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Re: 11/14 Game #7: Wiz @ Mavs 8:30 PM EST 

Post#144 » by JAR69 » Thu Nov 15, 2012 4:55 am

Pargo should be cut for taking that shot (among many reasons).
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Re: 11/14 Game #7: Wiz @ Mavs 8:30 PM EST 

Post#145 » by montestewart » Thu Nov 15, 2012 5:15 am

JAR69 wrote:Pargo should be cut for taking that shot (among many reasons).

But that's the game he showed in preseason. According to his supporters, that's why he was chosen over Mack, because he'll take that shot.
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Re: 11/14 Game #7: Wiz @ Mavs 8:30 PM EST 

Post#146 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Thu Nov 15, 2012 5:43 am

Dat2U wrote:Last year at some point, Ernie magically figured out he needed veterans. Maybe at some point this year, he'll figure out he actually needs some talent.


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Re: 11/14 Game #7: Wiz @ Mavs 8:30 PM EST 

Post#147 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Thu Nov 15, 2012 5:57 am

Knighthonor wrote:Wizard just need talent. That's the only issue. Who would have predicted that the past decisions by EG would turn out like this, beforehand?



If I were to retrieve my post right after the McGee/Nene deal; the OkAriza/Lewis deal; the Vesely draft; the Satoransky draft; the Foye/Miller for the #5 trade; the selling of the Blair pick; the re-signing of Gilbert Arenas and Antawn Jamison; and when I said Grunfeld unfairly fired Eddie Jordan 11 games after Jordan did his BEST coach to reach the playoffs ….

I have predicted EVERY ONE of these outcomes.

Also, Charlotte won at Minnesota tonight. They are 4-3. Washington is 0-7.

I feel kind of frustrated not having a voice that is heeded after ALL THESE YEARS…..

Bottom line for me: God is good. This is fun for me and I trust that whatever happens is for the best.
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Re: 11/14 Game #7: Wiz @ Mavs 8:30 PM EST 

Post#148 » by montestewart » Thu Nov 15, 2012 6:14 am

Knighthonor wrote:Wizard just need talent. That's the only issue. Who would have predicted that the past decisions by EG would turn out like this, beforehand?

You're just trying to crack us up, aren't you? Pretty much everyone predicted it. Except for the payroll, this team looks expansion level bad, but this isn't coming out of left field. Pretty much everyone thought that the Okafor deal was bad, and even those that didn't hate the Nene acquisition were worried about injuries and the length of the contract. Many worried about the lack of a quality veteran backup PG (who would be starting now over those matchsticks), pretty much everyone was concerned about the lack of efficient, reliable shooters and go to scorers, and most were concerned with the way the franchise blithely discards 2nd rounders and other opportunities to try new, young talent or stick with d-league call ups who have shown some accomplishment. Almost everyone could see this was a poorly assembled and poorly managed team. Almost everyone, except for Terd and Ernie and one or two others.
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Re: 11/14 Game #7: Wiz @ Mavs 8:30 PM EST 

Post#149 » by omegatronic3 » Thu Nov 15, 2012 6:36 am

why is nobody talking about how terrible Beal is ...this guys is clearly a BUST...he got owned by OJ Mayo tonight for gods sake and Mayo is barely even starting calibre. As I said before this guy is a shorter arvis Hayes. A shooter who can hit a shot. He wont do sh#$%*t to help John Wall

Please someone tell me how EG has a job.....how can you have such a horrendous draft record and still be employed...think back to all the picks hes made and about the best he did was draf Mcgee and get sorta luck on Blache. Everyone else has been bust city! I think this is the worst Wizards team ive seen in all my years as a fan.
Last years team with Mcgee and Blache was better than this. Fire EG and make cassell temporary coach
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Re: 11/14 Game #7: Wiz @ Mavs 8:30 PM EST 

Post#150 » by AFM » Thu Nov 15, 2012 6:55 am

Way too early to call him a bust. He's 19. Yes, his shooting has been sub par and he's missed a lot of open looks. Wait until he plays with a decent PG before we label him a bust. It's been 7 games, jesus.
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Re: 11/14 Game #7: Wiz @ Mavs 8:30 PM EST 

Post#151 » by Knighthonor » Thu Nov 15, 2012 8:06 am

dangermouse wrote:0-6 to start the season. We're at home for Utah followed by Indiana, then away at the Hawks, then back home to face Charlotte.

I have a feeling we will get one of those, but if we go 0-10, don't rush back Wall and Nene. Tank your time.... I mean take your time.

I'm gonna watch some Shabazz highlights.

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Re: 11/14 Game #7: Wiz @ Mavs 8:30 PM EST 

Post#152 » by Illuminaire » Thu Nov 15, 2012 8:09 am

Many, many shooting guards struggle their first year in the NBA... especially the young ones.
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Re: 11/14 Game #7: Wiz @ Mavs 8:30 PM EST 

Post#153 » by MikeTheKid » Thu Nov 15, 2012 12:50 pm

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dangermouse wrote:0-6 to start the season. We're at home for Utah followed by Indiana, then away at the Hawks, then back home to face Charlotte.

I have a feeling we will get one of those, but if we go 0-10, don't rush back Wall and Nene. Tank your time.... I mean take your time.

I'm gonna watch some Shabazz highlights.

When he playing?


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Re: 11/14 Game #7: Wiz @ Mavs 8:30 PM EST 

Post#154 » by cwb3 » Thu Nov 15, 2012 1:40 pm

Well at least they showed a little fight in the 4th quarter. Just too little much too late.
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Re: 11/14 Game #7: Wiz @ Mavs 8:30 PM EST 

Post#155 » by payitforward » Thu Nov 15, 2012 1:43 pm

hermitkid wrote:I don't think he's lost them, they simply aren't any good.

Right. Phil Jackson would be 0-7 with this squad.
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Re: 11/14 Game #7: Wiz @ Mavs 8:30 PM EST 

Post#156 » by payitforward » Thu Nov 15, 2012 1:57 pm

Knighthonor wrote:The last few drafts didn't have the talent to get this team back to the playoffs.

BS.

Leonard, Faried and maybe Chandler Parsons in 2011.

2012 we wouldn't have had the #3 of course, so assume maybe Drummond, Will Barton and e.g. Machado (#46).

Buy out Rashard instead of the dumb trade, and we'd have been able to add what we needed to 1) compete well for a playoff spot this year, and 2) continue building towards a real contender.

I know I know... it's pointless.
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Re: 11/14 Game #7: Wiz @ Mavs 8:30 PM EST 

Post#157 » by payitforward » Thu Nov 15, 2012 2:04 pm

fugop wrote:Crawford looked comically bad at point guard, Hands. He couldn't dribble and couldn't pass, much less initiate the offense. The Mavs announcers were rightly laughing at him.

For once I'm on Hands side!

Who cares what the Mavs announcers were doing? Crawford had a very good game last night, and he had 7 assists to indicate that yes he could run the offense. He didn't overshoot, his usual problem, and he got to the line 6 times and made them all.

His one problem, unquestionably a serious one, was turnovers -- he made several overly-hopeful, low-% passes and wound up w/ 5 TOs.

I'm no Jordan Crawford fan -- the opposite! -- but lets criticize him when he's bad and praise him when he's good.
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Re: 11/14 Game #7: Wiz @ Mavs 8:30 PM EST 

Post#158 » by payitforward » Thu Nov 15, 2012 2:09 pm

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fugop wrote:Crawford looked comically bad at point guard, Hands. He couldn't dribble and couldn't pass, much less initiate the offense. The Mavs announcers were rightly laughing at him. He's a bad SG, but a far worse PG.

Yes this is how I saw it as well. Cartier and Seraphin were the only reasons this game was even close.

Again... that's ridiculous. Crawford took 11 shots and had 6 FTAs. Out of that he got 21 points. Off the top of my head that's a TS% north of 70%.

Feels weird to be defending Jordan Crawford, but in this case he helped.
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Re: 11/14 Game #7: Wiz @ Mavs 8:30 PM EST 

Post#159 » by GhostsOfGil » Thu Nov 15, 2012 2:11 pm

payitforward wrote:Again... that's ridiculous. Crawford took 11 shots and had 6 FTAs. Out of that he got 21 points. Off the top of my head that's a TS% north of 70%.

Feels weird to be defending Jordan Crawford, but in this case he helped.


Sure he helped but how is what I said ridiculous. The game was 72-88 when Cartier entered the game in the 4th quarter. Out of the remaining 29 points scored, 26 of them came from either Martin or Seraphin.

JC had 7 assists with 5 tos. He also let Crowder abuse him every time he touched the ball. Compared to JCs scuk-tacular play, this was a gem. But i dont care how good the numbers suggest he played, his defense, and FBP poessesions, over shadow his offensive performance.

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Re: 11/14 Game #7: Wiz @ Mavs 8:30 PM EST 

Post#160 » by payitforward » Thu Nov 15, 2012 2:20 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:...the McGee/Nene deal; the OkAriza/Lewis deal; the Vesely draft; the Satoransky draft; the Foye/Miller for the #5 trade; the selling of the Blair pick; the re-signing of Gilbert Arenas and Antawn Jamison;...

I have predicted EVERY ONE of these outcomes....

I feel kind of frustrated not having a voice that is heeded after ALL THESE YEARS…...

And you were right about them all. Only thing is I also predicted every one of these outcomes, and so did many others on this site and on numerous other sites.

What's weird is not that your voice isn't heeded -- I hope you don't let that frustrate you -- or my voice, or all those other voices.

What's weird is that it was not difficult to see what those outcomes were likely to be. Not difficult at all. Easy in fact. So... how in heaven's name can a so-called basketball professional make that series of dumb moves? Ok, maybe the '09 draft-day trade was ordered by the owner. Even so, I think it's clear that Ernie could have pulled out the #18 pick in the deal (Minny wound up trading it to Denver for not much) and gotten Ty Lawson who I had as *a lock* to be a top-tier point guard.

Not to mention the '08 draft -- go back and look at how Darryl Morey managed that draft. We picked a guy w/ enormous physical gifts but who hadn't even been a very good college player. Yet, it would have been child's play to wind up with Nicolas Batum and DeAndre Jordan (and maybe even a 3d player) instead.

If I can see these things -- and if I then watch someone like Morey execute them -- that means they are real and anyone should be able to see them. So... why can't Ernie?

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