Bradley Beal - Part II

MarcoPolo · Post #141 » by **MarcoPolo** » Wed Nov 20, 2013 5:14 pm

Currently leads NBA in MPG with 40.00
I wonder how long can he stay out of injury and provide on the court not just be present there.
That's why every team needs a good bench.

Post #142 » by **Ruzious** » Wed Nov 20, 2013 5:46 pm

nate33 wrote:
Ruzious wrote:
Higga wrote:Beal will easily be a 20 PPG scorer this year. He's at 19 right now and that's with his awful start and fluky bad FT shooting which will only go up.

He'll be an All-Star this year and he'll rep us at the 3 point shooting contest.

He's taking 18 plus shots a game, so he really should average over 20 PPG. Playing 40.1 minutes a game, he's got to get to the line more than 2.9 times a game to deserve to be an all-star. That's just not good enough for the team's leading scorer - and a reason why the Wiz get so few FTs. Once he gets over 4 a game, then he'll likely arrive as a legit all-star caliber player, but he's got to change to do it - by not settling for long 2's so frequently - and taking it to the basket.

I agree with all of your concerns, but I'm not sure if it will affect All Star voting. If Beal continues to average 20 PPG with a TS% north of 52% or so, I think it's very possible, if not likely, that he will make the all star game. Minutes played or FTA/FGA won't factor into the equation much.

Well, Jrue Holliday made the all-star team last year. What matters to me is being all-star caliber - not making the all-star team.

Post #143 » by **nate33** » Wed Nov 20, 2013 5:58 pm

tontoz wrote:Beal's numbers aren't even in the same zip code as Afflalo's. Afflalo's TS is 10% higher, he scores at a higher rate, gets more assists and gets to the line twice as often.

Wow. Good find. Afflalo is kicking ass this season.

nuposse04 · Post #144 » by **nuposse04** » Wed Nov 20, 2013 6:10 pm

nate33 wrote:
tontoz wrote:Beal's numbers aren't even in the same zip code as Afflalo's. Afflalo's TS is 10% higher, he scores at a higher rate, gets more assists and gets to the line twice as often.

Wow. Good find. Afflalo is kicking ass this season.

ORL is going to get very good value for him. Still never understood why DEN ever traded him. Not like IGGY is a much better player (especially considering IGGY can have a streaky jumper).

Knighthonor · Post #145 » by **Knighthonor** » Thu Nov 21, 2013 5:26 am

Man I want to see some stats comparing Beal's stats to other known Super Stars...

SizzlinSimms · Post #146 » by **SizzlinSimms** » Thu Nov 21, 2013 5:52 am

I can definitely see both Wall and Beal getting serious consideration for a reserve guard spot. They'll definitely be worthy of it. Their competition right now:

Wade
Rose
Irving
Affalo if he keeps it up.
Jeff Teague
Derozan
Deron Williams

I probably forgot a guy or two. It's early in the season so a lot is going to change too.

verbal8 · Post #147 » by **verbal8** » Thu Nov 21, 2013 2:45 pm

Knighthonor wrote:Man I want to see some stats comparing Beal's stats to other known Super Stars...

Basketball-reference is your friend

J-Ves · Post #148 » by **J-Ves** » Thu Nov 21, 2013 3:29 pm

Riddle me this: if a player is capable of shooting 50% from three on a big number of attempts why would he ever shoot elsewhere? Beal has a 75% eFG from three, he's killing his potential efficiency with all these long 2s. I hope the Wiz correct this at some point even if it means a lowered usage rate for Beal.

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fishercob · Post #149 » by **fishercob** » Thu Nov 21, 2013 3:38 pm

J-Ves wrote:Riddle me this: if a player is capable of shooting 50% from three on a big number of attempts why would he ever shoot elsewhere? Beal has a 75% eFG from three, he's killing his potential efficiency with all these long 2s. I hope the Wiz correct this at some point even if it means a lowered usage rate for Beal.

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I don't think it's quite so simplistic. The other team gets paid to play too and they clearly are running Beal off the line whenever they can get to him in time. Beal is twenty years old. He;s going to the hall of fame.

Higga · Post #150 » by **Higga** » Thu Nov 21, 2013 4:02 pm

I would also like to see him taking it to the basket more but he's such a lethal shooter that I don't mind him taking jumpers. As he continues to grow and get more comfortable I think you'll see him taking it to the hoop more.

Right now Beal is our best player and we only go as far as he can take us.

Post #151 » by **nate33** » Thu Nov 21, 2013 4:08 pm

Higga wrote:Right now Beal is our best player and we only go as far as he can take us.

Right now, Nene is our best player.

tontoz · Post #152 » by **tontoz** » Thu Nov 21, 2013 4:09 pm

fishercob wrote:
J-Ves wrote:Riddle me this: if a player is capable of shooting 50% from three on a big number of attempts why would he ever shoot elsewhere? Beal has a 75% eFG from three, he's killing his potential efficiency with all these long 2s. I hope the Wiz correct this at some point even if it means a lowered usage rate for Beal.

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I don't think it's quite so simplistic. The other team gets paid to play too and they clearly are running Beal off the line whenever they can get to him in time. Beal is twenty years old. He;s going to the hall of fame.

Unless i am mistaken in the last two games Beal has taken 41 shots and scored only 1 basket in the paint.

Induveca · Post #153 » by **Induveca** » Thu Nov 21, 2013 7:30 pm

nate33 wrote:
Higga wrote:Right now Beal is our best player and we only go as far as he can take us.

Right now, Nene is our best player.

Agreed completely. Prepare for a 10 game losing streak as soon as Nene is injured. These past three games he has been an all-star. Complete all-around player when the desire is there.

Quite frankly, after his negative comments it looks like he is auditioning to be traded.

Ugh, I think only a Wizard fan would actually *truly* mean what I just stated.....

Induveca · Post #154 » by **Induveca** » Thu Nov 21, 2013 7:35 pm

In terms of Beal, EXTREMELY excited about the kid. Ray Allen light.

Illmatic21 · Post #155 » by **Illmatic21** » Thu Nov 21, 2013 9:28 pm

^Agreed, a lot of people seem to love the Ray Allen comparison and it's certainly not looking bad so far.

Some more press I came across on Beal...

Players/coaches/execs were asked who they think will be a breakout player this year, and other than the obvious Anthony Davis (who is a goddamn beast), Beal's name came up the most:

--Greg Monroe, Detroit Pistons center, said Beal is his candidate as breakout player:
"I think Bradley Beal is really going to have a great year. He's just a pure scorer, a pure shooter, so he's definitely one of those younger guys who's going to have a great year. (Beal and point guard John Wall), those are two very talented guys, maybe the two most important players on their team right now. Them being healthy this year, it changes the dynamic of their team. He was at the USA camp (this summer), so I got to see him play there. He's one of those guys who just knows how to play, how to score and he's good defensively, too."

--David Lee, Golden State Warriors forward:
"I'd say Bradley Beal. He's got a good all-around game. He didn't have much of a chance last year because of all the injuries (among the Wizards). Now that they have more of a full team, he could be a breakout player."

--Flip Saunders, Minnesota Timberwolves president of basketball operations:
"I think it will be Bradley Beal. I love the ability he has. He's young. He's going to be very improved. He's got a great work ethic and he's a Ray Allen-type shooter."

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/top-nba-br ... --nba.html

I think Beal will have a very strong push for the ASG this year. Not as a starter over Wade of course, but coaches, execs, media people seem to have a very high opinion of him which could bode well for a reserve selection.

I would like to see him improve his 2pt/overall fg%, but even still, 21-4-4 are All-Star numbers. That's incredible for a second year player who just turned 20.

mictic · Post #156 » by **mictic** » Thu Nov 21, 2013 11:48 pm

My observation last night was: with the starters Beal only shot wide open, assisted jumpers, where he is basically automatic from everywhere on the court. Then, when he was playing with the second unit, he was asked to create for himself, leading to a barrage of contested mid range pull-up jumpers. Without looking it up, he was like 1/5 in that stretch. Same thing happened at the end of the third and then in the fourth, when everybody was gassed. He simply isn't there yet when he has to go 1 on 5, like a Harden, young Wade or Irving can do. But that's not the problem. If the second unit wouldn't suck as much offensively he wouldn't have to.

go'stags · Post #157 » by **go'stags** » Fri Nov 22, 2013 1:03 am

Definitely agree with Nene auditioning for a trade. He is a smarter GM than Ernie and probably knows tanking is best for us. But as long as he is playing well, the tank won't truly thrive.

If an injury occurs soon that could be a sign that he wants to be traded. He gets hurt, we suck, fall out of contention, he comes back too late for us, plays well, gets traded.

GhostsOfGil · Post #158 » by **GhostsOfGil** » Fri Nov 22, 2013 2:21 am

Can one of you stat junkies explain why is PER is so low? His rebounding, assists, and ppg are all solid across the board yet his PER is a measly 14.

tontoz · Post #159 » by **tontoz** » Fri Nov 22, 2013 2:49 am

GhostsOfGil wrote:Can one of you stat junkies explain why is PER is so low? His rebounding, assists, and ppg are all solid across the board yet his PER is a measly 14.

Keep in mind that Beal is playing 40 minutes per game and PER is a per minute stat. Averaging 3.5 assists and 4 rebounds in 40 minutes isn't that impressive. His scoring efficiency is mediocre due to his poor 2 pt percentage and lack of free throws.

Try comparing his numbers to Afflalo. Beal's 3 point shooting is impressive but the rest of his game isnt, at least not yet.

DCZards · Post #160 » by **DCZards** » Fri Nov 22, 2013 5:08 am

tontoz wrote:
Keep in mind that Beal is playing 40 minutes per game and PER is a per minute stat. Averaging 3.5 assists and 4 rebounds in 40 minutes isn't that impressive. His scoring efficiency is mediocre due to his poor 2 pt percentage and lack of free throws.

Try comparing his numbers to Afflalo. Beal's 3 point shooting is impressive but the rest of his game isnt, at least not yet.

Keep in mind that Afflalo is a 28 year old in his 7th NBA season while Beal is a 20 year old in his second season...and Beal is already arguably as good (or better) than Afflalo.