Official Trade Thread - Part XXVII

[LyricalRico]

Jimmer Fredette anyone?

Nah, not after adding Miller and losing Nene. If we're going to sign anyone, it needs to be a big. Maybe over the summer, though, if we find ourselves in need of a shooter on the cheap.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Cutting Rice would be the biggest mistake this team can make this season, and Ernie has made a lot of them

The biggest mistake ?

I'm extremely high on Rice. I think he's better than Hardaway.[/quote]

I was extremely critical of Rice being acquired at the expense of trading Wolters. I questioned Rice's character.

However, his stats and his D-League playoffs lead me to believe Rice could become a better-than-average player. I would be thrilled if Rice is better than Hardaway.

The problem is that the Wizards won't play Rice for enough minutes to see what he might do, good or bad.

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[Nivek]

I'm not really into giving too much benefit of the doubt to the coaches, BUT perhaps they've seen enough of Rice in practice to have a sense that he's not as good as the guys playing ahead of him. The bar for SF and SG is a little higher for the Wizards than it is at other positions. In his scant playing time, he's been terrible. He hasn't played enough to suggest the team write him off, however.

[closg00]

Jimmer Fredette anyone?

There must to be a reason why he couldn't be traded again, teams do not want to touch him apparently, not even for spot shooting duties. He will get an overseas offer, he should be able to thrive over there.

Having said that, some team might sign him at the vet minimum.

[Sluggerface]

I'm not really into giving too much benefit of the doubt to the coaches, BUT perhaps they've seen enough of Rice in practice to have a sense that he's not as good as the guys playing ahead of him. The bar for SF and SG is a little higher for the Wizards than it is at other positions. In his scant playing time, he's been terrible. He hasn't played enough to suggest the team write him off, however.

His individual stats were horrible (albeit extremely limited sample size), but his plus/minus was crazy and things happened when he was on the court, which is a lot more than you can say about Porter. I think the coaches gave up on him because his shot wasn't falling from three, which I think is a poor excuse not to play someone, especially when everybody knows Rice is a better shooter than that.

But it's a "playoffs or bust" season and Randy is desperate, so why let a rookie work out his issues when you can just play Webster and get what you want from that position.

[Nivek]

I'm not really into giving too much benefit of the doubt to the coaches, BUT perhaps they've seen enough of Rice in practice to have a sense that he's not as good as the guys playing ahead of him. The bar for SF and SG is a little higher for the Wizards than it is at other positions. In his scant playing time, he's been terrible. He hasn't played enough to suggest the team write him off, however.

His individual stats were horrible (albeit extremely limited sample size), but his plus/minus was crazy and things happened when he was on the court, which is a lot more than you can say about Porter. I think the coaches gave up on him because his shot wasn't falling from three, which I think is a poor excuse not to play someone, especially when everybody knows Rice is a better shooter than that.

But it's a "playoffs or bust" season and Randy is desperate, so why let a rookie work out his issues when you can just play Webster and get what you want from that position.

Really, our issue is with the owner. It's hard to blame Wittman for making decisions designed to help the team make the playoffs when his continued employment is contingent upon them achieving that goal. And, in limited opportunities that fans can see, none of the young guys have done much to make anyone think they might help the team win.

Fans want to see the youngsters play because that's the only way to see what they can do. The coaches see them every day in practice. The coaching staff's sample size is a lot bigger than ours. And, their decisions are logically being driven by the goal that was stated by the owner. So, they're going to play the guys they can rely on, they're not going to take unwarranted chances on guys they don't trust, and they're probably not going to give minutes to a guy just to see what he can do in game situations or to give him experience.

It's tough for me to fault them for their decisions on playing time for the youngsters. Their margin of error in each game is pretty slim; their MOE for the season is pretty slim. And, their high-paying jobs are on the line.

[Sluggerface]

I agree with you on ownership goals trickling down to affect coaching decision. Not so much on practice providing accurate data.

Yi Jianlin was the king of looking good in practice, and then **** bricks during game situations.

[Nivek]

I agree with you on ownership goals trickling down to affect coaching decision. Not so much on practice providing accurate data.

Yi Jianlin was the king of looking good in practice, and then **** bricks during game situations.

There is zero chance Yi consistently looked good in practice. He was a bad, bad player. Now, the Wizards front office and coaches may have thought he looked good in practice, but I can assure you -- he did not.

That being said, the coaches see the players in countless non-game settings that fans don't/can't see. They know who's working. They know who's learned the playbook and is paying attention to his assignments. They know who's showing up to practice hung over, who's late to meetings and flights, who's dogging it in the weight room and nodding off in film sessions.

There are instances where coaches are just plain wrong in their lineup decisions. But for me, I need more than "they should play Player X so they can see what they have." Especially when Player X hasn't performed well in whatever opportunities he's received.

[mhd]

Posted this in Dat's thread, but would Memphis go for this:

Wiz trade Porter for Koufus+Memphis 2014 1st?

I think we'd have to offer our 2nd rounder (which I would do), but even still, we'd need to offer more.

[verbal8]

Posted this in Dat's thread, but would Memphis go for this:

Wiz trade Porter for Koufus+Memphis 2014 1st?

I think we'd have to offer our 2nd rounder (which I would do), but even still, we'd need to offer more.

I don't think I would give up Porter for one year of a cheap solid player and a middle of the road NBA prospect. Koufus has a very attractive contract($3 million) next season, but is an unrestricted free agent.

Looking at the mock draft, there isn't anyone who would likely be available that would make me give up on Porter, even with the incentive of Koufus. If Aaron Gordon or Noah Vonleh slipped to that point, I might be tempted. They both have risks transition to the NBA, but they are the youngest prospects in the draft so would have the most expected improvement.

Now Webster or a S&T of Ariza for Prince and the pick is something I would definitely be in favor of.

[verbal8]

One trade the Wizards should try and do is buying the Sixers 2nd from the Nets. Unless they are in love with a prospect, they have another 2nd 8 picks later.

Or another option might be cash and the Wizards 2nd for the Sixers 2nd if they really intend to have 4 or 5 rookies next season.

[LyricalRico]

One trade the Wizards should try and do is buying the Sixers 2nd from the Nets. Unless they are in love with a prospect, they have another 2nd 8 picks later.

I actually would think BKN would want all the cheap, young players they can get after sending all those picks to Boston. As their cap currently stands, they could renounce Paul Pierce and have KG retire over the summer and they would STILL be over the luxury tax by my calculations. (And then they have over $6oM in salary committed to just 3 players in 2015-16. Holy crap!)

I understand their owner has deep pockets, but their strategy has limited their options to the point that I could actually see them being the ones buying picks on draft night.

[hands11]

Jimmer Fredette anyone?

Nah, not after adding Miller and losing Nene. If we're going to sign anyone, it needs to be a big. Maybe over the summer, though, if we find ourselves in need of a shooter on the cheap.

Never got on the Jimmer bus. Not before the draft and not after. Just not someone I would be interested in adding to my team. To many better options.

LAC.
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I wasn't a fan of LAC making it to the finals but see how B Griffin has added to his game, how J Craw looks as a starter and targets like this.... might have to raise their chances into the top group of teams. They are adding depth which is what they needed.

[hands11]

Cutting Rice would be the biggest mistake this team can make this season, and Ernie has made a lot of them

The biggest mistake ?

I'm extremely high on Rice. I think he's better than Hardaway.

I was extremely critical of Rice being acquired at the expense of trading Wolters. I questioned Rice's character.

However, his stats and his D-League playoffs lead me to believe Rice could become a better-than-average player. I would be thrilled if Rice is better than Hardaway.

The problem is that the Wizards won't play Rice for enough minutes to see what he might do, good or bad.

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I wouldn't be surprised if he never gets a chance to get on the court here. I think they have moved past that stage and into acquiring FA to fill out those slots. Beal will be a year 3 player next year. Wall year 5. Otto will be the young pup if they have one at SF. Kevin S is still young. Other then that, I bet they go for wets.

If they add a young player to grow longer term, its going to be a PF like Cory Jefferson or a center. I think back up SG will be a vet older player. They already have a young SG and a young SF so I won't be surprised if Glen is even on the team next year and EG gets nothing for him.

[hands11]

I'm not really into giving too much benefit of the doubt to the coaches, BUT perhaps they've seen enough of Rice in practice to have a sense that he's not as good as the guys playing ahead of him. The bar for SF and SG is a little higher for the Wizards than it is at other positions. In his scant playing time, he's been terrible. He hasn't played enough to suggest the team write him off, however.

His individual stats were horrible (albeit extremely limited sample size), but his plus/minus was crazy and things happened when he was on the court, which is a lot more than you can say about Porter. I think the coaches gave up on him because his shot wasn't falling from three, which I think is a poor excuse not to play someone, especially when everybody knows Rice is a better shooter than that.

But it's a "playoffs or bust" season and Randy is desperate, so why let a rookie work out his issues when you can just play Webster and get what you want from that position.

Exactly. They are looking to develop playing on the court. You have it or you don't. Teams like ORL, PHI, DEN, etc. They can give young players minutes to develop. Wiz aren't in that mode anymore. Except for Beal and Wall last year, they weren't even really in it last year.

[verbal8]

One trade the Wizards should try and do is buying the Sixers 2nd from the Nets. Unless they are in love with a prospect, they have another 2nd 8 picks later.

I actually would think BKN would want all the cheap, young players they can get after sending all those picks to Boston. As their cap currently stands, they could renounce Paul Pierce and have KG retire over the summer and they would STILL be over the luxury tax by my calculations. (And then they have over $6oM in salary committed to just 3 players in 2015-16. Holy crap!)

I understand their owner has deep pockets, but their strategy has limited their options to the point that I could actually see them being the ones buying picks on draft night.

I wasn't clear. I meant the pick the Sixers have from the Nets. I am sure the Nets will be active in trying to buy 2nd round picks, but they can only spend $3 million per season

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

The biggest mistake ?

I'm extremely high on Rice. I think he's better than Hardaway.

I was extremely critical of Rice being acquired at the expense of trading Wolters. I questioned Rice's character.

However, his stats and his D-League playoffs lead me to believe Rice could become a better-than-average player. I would be thrilled if Rice is better than Hardaway.

The problem is that the Wizards won't play Rice for enough minutes to see what he might do, good or bad.

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I wouldn't be surprised if he never gets a chance to get on the court here. I think they have moved past that stage and into acquiring FA to fill out those slots. Beal will be a year 3 player next year. Wall year 5. Otto will be the young pup if they have one at SF. Kevin S is still young. Other then that, I bet they go for wets.

If they add a young player to grow longer term, its going to be a PF like Cory Jefferson or a center. I think back up SG will be a vet older player. They already have a young SG and a young SF so I won't be surprised if Glen is even on the team next year and EG gets nothing for him.

Hands, I think the quote includes a response. I didn't say I thought Rice is better than Hardaway. The first part was from another post.

It would be just like the Wizards to never play Rice.

Cory Jefferson will probably go for the round two pick the Wizards traded away in order to get Andre Miller.

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[hands11]

I'm extremely high on Rice. I think he's better than Hardaway.

I was extremely critical of Rice being acquired at the expense of trading Wolters. I questioned Rice's character.

However, his stats and his D-League playoffs lead me to believe Rice could become a better-than-average player. I would be thrilled if Rice is better than Hardaway.

The problem is that the Wizards won't play Rice for enough minutes to see what he might do, good or bad.

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I wouldn't be surprised if he never gets a chance to get on the court here. I think they have moved past that stage and into acquiring FA to fill out those slots. Beal will be a year 3 player next year. Wall year 5. Otto will be the young pup if they have one at SF. Kevin S is still young. Other then that, I bet they go for wets.

If they add a young player to grow longer term, its going to be a PF like Cory Jefferson or a center. I think back up SG will be a vet older player. They already have a young SG and a young SF so I won't be surprised if Glen is even on the team next year and EG gets nothing for him.

Hands, I think the quote includes a response. I didn't say I thought Rice is better than Hardaway. The first part was from another post.

It would be just like the Wizards to never play Rice.

Cory Jefferson will probably go for the round two pick the Wizards traded away in order to get Andre Miller.

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I didn't think you said he was better then Hardaway. I was just commenting that I wouldn't be surprised if he never plays here and why. Not just to you but to the board.

As for the 2nd. I thought is was a 2016 2nd we gave up. We still have this 2nd. So this year we a 2nd and no first and the following year we will have a first and no 2nd.

If this isn't correct, I'm sure someone will correct it but that's where I thought things stood.

[FAH1223]

Hands, I think the quote includes a response. I didn't say I thought Rice is better than Hardaway. The first part was from another post.

It would be just like the Wizards to never play Rice.

Cory Jefferson will probably go for the round two pick the Wizards traded away in order to get Andre Miller.

CCJ, We still have our 2014 2nd round pick and both our 1st and 2nd round 2015 picks. The pick we gave up was the NOLA one for 2015 we got in the Rashard Lewis deal.

[verbal8]

Hands, I think the quote includes a response. I didn't say I thought Rice is better than Hardaway. The first part was from another post.

It would be just like the Wizards to never play Rice.

Cory Jefferson will probably go for the round two pick the Wizards traded away in order to get Andre Miller.

CCJ, We still have our 2014 2nd round pick and both our 1st and 2nd round 2015 picks. The pick we gave up was the NOLA one for 2015 we got in the Rashard Lewis deal.

The Wizards gave up a 2nd rounder, that was used on Darius Miller in the Lewis deal.

from basketball-reference.com:

June 20, 2012: Traded Rashard Lewis and a 2012 2nd round draft pick (Darius Miller was later selected) to the New Orleans Hornets for Trevor Ariza and Emeka Okafor.

I think they got the pick from the Clippers for Nick Young.

from basketball-reference.com:

March 15, 2012: As part of a 3-team trade, the Washington Wizards traded Nick Young to the Los Angeles Clippers; the Washington Wizards traded JaVale McGee and Ronny Turiaf to the Denver Nuggets; the Denver Nuggets traded Nene to the Washington Wizards; and the Los Angeles Clippers traded Brian Cook and a 2015 2nd round draft pick to the Washington Wizards.