2015 Free Agency and Offseason Part 1

JudBuchler · Post #141 » by **JudBuchler** » Sat May 16, 2015 5:43 am

Get cousins somehow!

get a championship next year! thats it

if they are really serious go get cousins

Wall- beal - Cousins - Pierce is a championship squad if surronded by solid roational players

FAH1223 · Post #142 » by **FAH1223** » Sat May 16, 2015 5:52 am

barelyawake wrote:My offseason wish had been the same since John Wall was drafted, give John Wall a star post scorer to whom he can dish. Always been my wish. Always will be my wish.

We have proven that older players can fill out a playoff roster. What we need is to sacrifice a young piece, or draft picks, to get the star piece. Until we do, we are wasting John Wall's, and everyone else's, time. If Harden/Howard can't win a championship, or Lillard/Aldridge, what makes us think Wall/Gortat can? We need a top draft pick big. And we have the cache to draw him. So, do it.

So, go get Cousins is what you're saying?

The Kings want a... king's ransom for him.

barelyawake · Post #143 » by **barelyawake** » Sat May 16, 2015 5:58 am

I'd love Cousins. And I have no problem scraping this team to pair him with Wall, as long as we still could get Durant or kept Beal. Minor moves will not get us anywhere. We need, and have needed, bold moves.

We keep pretending that championships go to teams with the best moneyball roster. They don't. They go to star, top draft picks. Always have.

JudBuchler · Post #144 » by **JudBuchler** » Sat May 16, 2015 6:03 am

Do you think nenes expiring can get some value?

Maybe nene for joe johnson , then send joe johnson + otto + gortat and first round picks for demarcus would work, i doubt it though, it would probably take beal. which would be tough

How about nene for joe johnson

then Beal + Gortat and a 1st for demarcus

Wall
JJ
Otto
Pierce
Cousins

would be a great team

Error Afflalo · Post #145 » by **Error Afflalo** » Sat May 16, 2015 6:04 am

God I wish anyone except you know who was making these moves...

krii · Post #146 » by **krii** » Sat May 16, 2015 9:34 am

I don't get all of those "get anything for Otto + Beal/Gortat" deals. Why the hell would you like to trade one or two young and very promising assets, that seems to create a very strong roster or one of the best true centers in the game for average+ players?

I know Gortat have problems with ATL bigs, Dwight Howard and DMC ... But then it's only a few games in which you can use other members of the team to overcome one position. Beal / Otto will be not only good but VERY good players. I bet in two years both of them may be in AS (Beal as a starter).

It's only a matter of one true-star shooter (KD;-) ) and a few quality bench players to be not only good but promising contenders. John-Brad-Otto-KD/other star-Gortat + quality bench players (2/3 PG/SG, 1-2 PF/C) seems more than good.

You can't have DMC, Wall, KD in a one team. They will cost too much. However, you can have Beal, Wall, Otto and KD.

Dark Faze · Post #147 » by **Dark Faze** » Sat May 16, 2015 1:18 pm

Good news is the biggest reason we lost the series is expiring after next year and should be replaced by an all-star

Spoiler:

stud, bad news is we're still stuck with him for a year and our most versatile and clutchest player might be retiring.

One trade I think about quite a bit is Nene for Faried. Faried is a contract that Denver seems to regret, and I think they'll be looking to tank soon. I could see them taking Nene and buying him out. He'd be a nice backup big for say, San Antonio. Pairing the Manimal with a high intensity player like Wall is very enticing. A player like Faried would have won us the Hawks series through rebounding alone, but he isn't really the ideal stretch 4 starter that you'd like to see next to Wall. Defensively as well I'm not to sure how I feel about him. I've always thought he was simply an average defender. Thoughts on Faried defense slaent?

Besides that, we need a sixth man off the bench. KS needs to go, we need a dependable backup C. I'd like to get our own version of Schroeder/IT, which I think we can get in this draft. IWMTB/Other draft heads--thoughts on Tyus Jones vs Jerian Grant? I prefer Jones.

Beal will get a max. Youth + playoff career averages of 21, 5 and 5...there's just no avoiding it. Kids only 21.

closg00 · Post #148 » by **closg00** » Sat May 16, 2015 2:00 pm

Dark Faze wrote:Good news is the biggest reason we lost the series is expiring after next year and should be replaced by an all-star
Spoiler:
mvp
stud, bad news is we're still stuck with him for a year and our most versatile and clutchest player might be retiring.

One trade I think about quite a bit is Nene for Faried. Faried is a contract that Denver seems to regret, and I think they'll be looking to tank soon. I could see them taking Nene and buying him out. He'd be a nice backup big for say, San Antonio. Pairing the Manimal with a high intensity player like Wall is very enticing. A player like Faried would have won us the Hawks series through rebounding alone, but he isn't really the ideal stretch 4 starter that you'd like to see next to Wall. Defensively as well I'm not to sure how I feel about him. I've always thought he was simply an average defender. Thoughts on Faried defense slaent?

Besides that, we need a sixth man off the bench. KS needs to go, we need a dependable backup C. I'd like to get our own version of Schroeder/IT, which I think we can get in this draft. IWMTB/Other draft heads--thoughts on Tyus Jones vs Jerian Grant? I prefer Jones.

Beal will get a max. Youth + playoff career averages of 21, 5 and 5...there's just no avoiding it. Kids only 21.

I was coming to say the same thing, been saying it for 5 years. This team in the worst way needs its own Schroeder and replacements for Temple, Gooden, Webster, and Sessions. Sadly, we are stuck with Temple, Webster and Sessions. I would find another PG and make Sessions our 3rd guard.

We also need a tough back-up C that can do work on his own, Gortat needs perfect set-ups and he's soft.

Post #149 » by **LyricalRico** » Sat May 16, 2015 2:41 pm

Bump for merge.

MikeTheKid · Post #150 » by **MikeTheKid** » Sat May 16, 2015 3:03 pm

closg00 wrote:
Dark Faze wrote:Good news is the biggest reason we lost the series is expiring after next year and should be replaced by an all-star
Spoiler:
mvp
stud, bad news is we're still stuck with him for a year and our most versatile and clutchest player might be retiring.

One trade I think about quite a bit is Nene for Faried. Faried is a contract that Denver seems to regret, and I think they'll be looking to tank soon. I could see them taking Nene and buying him out. He'd be a nice backup big for say, San Antonio. Pairing the Manimal with a high intensity player like Wall is very enticing. A player like Faried would have won us the Hawks series through rebounding alone, but he isn't really the ideal stretch 4 starter that you'd like to see next to Wall. Defensively as well I'm not to sure how I feel about him. I've always thought he was simply an average defender. Thoughts on Faried defense slaent?

Besides that, we need a sixth man off the bench. KS needs to go, we need a dependable backup C. I'd like to get our own version of Schroeder/IT, which I think we can get in this draft. IWMTB/Other draft heads--thoughts on Tyus Jones vs Jerian Grant? I prefer Jones.

Beal will get a max. Youth + playoff career averages of 21, 5 and 5...there's just no avoiding it. Kids only 21.

I was coming to say the same thing, been saying it for 5 years. This team in the worst way needs its own Schroeder and replacements for Temple, Gooden, Webster, and Sessions. Sadly, we are stuck with Temple, Webster and Sessions. I would find another PG and make Sessions our 3rd guard.

We also need a tough back-up C that can do work on his own, Gortat needs perfect set-ups and he's soft.

What sucks is we a Schroeder type in the draft last year but we traded that 2nd rd pick (Jordan Clarkson) to the Lakers for peanuts. I actually wouldnt mind taking Andrew Harrison (Who did suprisingly well at the combine) or Quinn Cook late in the 2nd as a feeler since its obvious if Wittman is back next year 9 times out of 10 Temple will be back too.

Nene and Webster need to be traded for whatever ham sandwich you can get and hopefully we draft Looney (who were projected to take at 19)

nuposse04 · Post #151 » by **nuposse04** » Sat May 16, 2015 3:21 pm

Draft a stretch big (i'd prefer moving up for Portis, looney or kaminsky if we have to).

Tell Hump to work on that 3 ball this offseason. I think he can be a decent starting 4 if he works on his 3 pt shot. Maybe not a heavy minutes starter, but like 25-32 mins a game.

Really, if Hump could add a 3 pt shot to his abilities, he'd bail us out of so many issues. Now if only Randy would tell him that is what he solely needs to work on...

dckingsfan · Post #152 » by **dckingsfan** » Sat May 16, 2015 3:33 pm

PG: Wall is just fine thank you - Sessions has one season left - use the second round to draft a PG, if George de Paula drops to 49, you take him - I think he will go much earlier.

Wings: Beal/Porter start. Temple/Webster - meh. Don't know if PP will be back - I hope so... Butler might not be back either. I think we need to add a wing that can create.

PF: Hope we move permanently to a S4 - hope Gooden stays. Hope that Humphries starts shooting the 3 vs. long 2, hope Pierce gets some time at the 4. Hope Nene doesn't start at the 4. Too much hoping. IF Bobby Portis or Kevon Looney are there at 19, then EG wont' take them... :devil:

C: Gortat is fine. I hope Seraphin never dons a Wizards uniform again. I hope Nene is the backup C. Probably too much hoping here as well.

I think that this team's progress next year will be defined by Beal/Porter and their progress. The team is pretty cap bound - so I don't see any big moves this season which brings us to...

My guess is that Grunfeld and Wittman will be back again - sigh.

nuposse04 · Post #153 » by **nuposse04** » Sat May 16, 2015 3:38 pm

I hope someone overbids on Seraphin, hopefully there are more (Please Use More Appropriate Word) GMs out there then EG.

I don't want Butler or Gooden back. They aren't reliable. Limited upside. We need young legs. Made a run at Ed Davis if they can.

Also, probably not going to happen, but when George Karl came back, I thought he really helped Derrick William's improve his game. I think Williams could use the "Wall Effect" and try to have a career year playing next to him on the vet minimum. Of course I think he'll take the largest offer he can get :/

barelyawake · Post #154 » by **barelyawake** » Sat May 16, 2015 4:36 pm

krii wrote:I don't get all of those "get anything for Otto + Beal/Gortat" deals. Why the hell would you like to trade one or two young and very promising assets, that seems to create a very strong roster or one of the best true centers in the game for average+ players?

I know Gortat have problems with ATL bigs, Dwight Howard and DMC ... But then it's only a few games in which you can use other members of the team to overcome one position. Beal / Otto will be not only good but VERY good players. I bet in two years both of them may be in AS (Beal as a starter).

It's only a matter of one true-star shooter (KD;-) ) and a few quality bench players to be not only good but promising contenders. John-Brad-Otto-KD/other star-Gortat + quality bench players (2/3 PG/SG, 1-2 PF/C) seems more than good.

You can't have DMC, Wall, KD in a one team. They will cost too much. However, you can have Beal, Wall, Otto and KD.

Cousins costs $15 million. Gortat costs $12. You certainly can have Dmc, Wall and Kd on the same team with vet back-ups. It just means trading Gortat and Porter for one; and Beal, filler and picks for the other. Like Miami, vets will give the discount to play with a true big three.

nuposse04 · Post #155 » by **nuposse04** » Sat May 16, 2015 6:21 pm

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/ufa/

gonna skim this for the diamonds in the rough. Have at it.

queridiculo · Post #156 » by **queridiculo** » Sat May 16, 2015 8:27 pm

Washington has a gaping hole at power forward and very little room to maneuver to address the position via free agency.

Garnett may be an option if Pierce decides to return, and you could probably get away with platooning the position between him, Nene and Humphries during the regular season, while hoping that he's got enough gas left for one more post season run, but beyond that, I really don't see Washington being in a position to improve much.

The course for mediocrity was set a while ago, and our only hope for a correction will be 2016.

Pray that Wall, Beal and Porters development continues in the direction it's heading and that Washington is seen as a great destination for a player hoping to play for a championship in the future.

The East is wide open, and you have to figure that some of the heavy hitters in the West realize that perhaps switching the conference may be in their best interest.

JAR69 · Post #157 » by **JAR69** » Sat May 16, 2015 8:27 pm

Seraphin likely leaving - wants to go someplace he can start. http://www.csnwashington.com/basketball-washington-wizards/talk/free-agent-be-kevin-seraphin-eager-blossom-elsewhere

Good luck with that, KS. And good bye.

nuposse04 · Post #158 » by **nuposse04** » Sat May 16, 2015 8:32 pm

Yup, that's the best thing I've read all day.

Post #159 » by **nate33** » Sat May 16, 2015 8:38 pm

JudBuchler wrote:Get cousins somehow!

get a championship next year! thats it

if they are really serious go get cousins

Wall- beal - Cousins - Pierce is a championship squad if surronded by solid roational players

You can't just say, "get Cousins somehow", as if that's some kind of feasible strategy. Why in the World would Sacramento trade him if we're not giving up Wall or Beal?

dckingsfan · Post #160 » by **dckingsfan** » Sat May 16, 2015 8:42 pm

So, if Gooden and Seraphin (please, please, please) leave then we will have Nene, Humphries, Gortat, Blair. If PP doesn't come back, that would leave us with a big hole at PF ------ UNLESS, Humphries works on the 3 as others have suggested.