Official Trade Thread - Part XXX

[TheSecretWeapon]

Beal for Willie Cauley-Stein. Who says no? What makes it work?

I've pimped that trade a couple of times already, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

Trill? Interesting, but what to do with Gortat? I don't know that they can play together, so we'd need to add more teams. To the Checker!

Wizards trade: Beal, Gortat, and Blair
Wizards receive: WCS, Faried, and K.Martin

Kings trade: WCS and McLemore
Kings receive: Beal

Nuggets trade: Faried and Foye
Nuggets receive: Gortat and McLemore

Wolves trade: K.Martin
Wolves receive: Blair and Foye (both expiring)

TRADE ID 6636681

Minny saves money and opens up minutes for younger guys, Denver gets bigger, Sacto gets a potential backcourt star to pair with DMC, and Washington takes a chance on a younger frontcourt.

WCS/Nene
Faried/Hump
Porter/Dudley
Martin/Neal
Wall/Sessions

Interesting, assuming you like Cauley-Stein.

I don't see a need to make such a complex deal out of this. Cauley-Stein can be a backup center for the Wizards behind Gortat -- at least until they can find a deal for Gortat that makes more sense. A straight swap of Beal for Cauley-Stein seems to make sense for both teams.

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

I've pimped that trade a couple of times already, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

Trill? Interesting, but what to do with Gortat? I don't know that they can play together, so we'd need to add more teams. To the Checker!

Wizards trade: Beal, Gortat, and Blair
Wizards receive: WCS, Faried, and K.Martin

Kings trade: WCS and McLemore
Kings receive: Beal

Nuggets trade: Faried and Foye
Nuggets receive: Gortat and McLemore

Wolves trade: K.Martin
Wolves receive: Blair and Foye (both expiring)

TRADE ID 6636681

Minny saves money and opens up minutes for younger guys, Denver gets bigger, Sacto gets a potential backcourt star to pair with DMC, and Washington takes a chance on a younger frontcourt.

WCS/Nene
Faried/Hump
Porter/Dudley
Martin/Neal
Wall/Sessions

Interesting, assuming you like Cauley-Stein.

I don't see a need to make such a complex deal out of this. Cauley-Stein can be a backup center for the Wizards behind Gortat -- at least until they can find a deal for Gortat that makes more sense. A straight swap of Beal for Cauley-Stein seems to make sense for both teams.

I wouldn't do it. I'm not sure WCS will ever develop anything like a decent offensive game.

I think the haul for Beal could be better.

I guess, being a self-flagellating, masochistic, Charlie Brown like Wizards fan, I'm also still holding out hope for the KD2DC pipe dream.

And Beal as a third wheel... With better coaching, could explode. If he did nothing but catch and shoot, take it to the rack when he gets run off the three and work hard on D, he'd be a pretty valuable piece... Maybe even worth the max the way teams are spending dough these days.

[AFM]

I'm not giving up on KD2DC until KD retires!

He is the chosen one! We thought it was Wall (Luke), but it was really his father (Anakin)

He must restore balance to the NBA by tossing Emperor Grunfeld down the shaft

Quick someone photoshop grunfled onto palpatines body

[queridiculo]

I wouldn't do it. I'm not sure WCS will ever develop anything like a decent offensive game.

I think the haul for Beal could be better.

I guess, being a self-flagellating, masochistic, Charlie Brown like Wizards fan, I'm also still holding out hope for the KD2DC pipe dream.

And Beal as a third wheel... With better coaching, could explode. If he did nothing but catch and shoot, take it to the rack when he gets run off the three and work hard on D, he'd be a pretty valuable piece... Maybe even worth the max the way teams are spending dough these days.

Beal is in his fourth year and he hasn't made any appreciable leap in the areas of his game that have been suspect from the moment he's been drafted, and on top of that, he hasn't made any progress with his shot selection despite claiming to have made it his offseason focus.

He's only 22 years old, which makes it a tough decision to move on, but to win in this league you have to get value out of your max deals, and Beal at +$20 million simply isn't.

I'd much rather role the dice on a young big on a rookie deal with great upside, than to make a $100-$120 million gamble on Beal.

He'd have to be a sure thing to make it worthwhile having $40 million a year tied up in our backcourt.

[pcbothwel]

I'd be more open to shipping out Beal to the Bulls for (Portis or Mirotic), Filler (Dunleavy), and a future 1st (Lotto protected).

In fact, I believe one crazy idea would be to make that trade now. Then sign both KD and Whiteside in the offseason.

Wall / Minimum vet (Brooks, sessions, etc.)
Sato / Dunleavy
Otto / Oubre
KD / Portis
Whiteside / Nene / Portis

Interesting lineup to say the least and one that has multiple people who could light up the scoreboard, steal, block shots, distribute, and initiate offense. You then have 4 mid-late 1st round picks (Our 2016, our 2017, Bulls, and one from trading gortat) over the next 2 years to keep the bench talented and cheap.

[nate33]

I wouldn't do it. I'm not sure WCS will ever develop anything like a decent offensive game.

I think the haul for Beal could be better.

I guess, being a self-flagellating, masochistic, Charlie Brown like Wizards fan, I'm also still holding out hope for the KD2DC pipe dream.

And Beal as a third wheel... With better coaching, could explode. If he did nothing but catch and shoot, take it to the rack when he gets run off the three and work hard on D, he'd be a pretty valuable piece... Maybe even worth the max the way teams are spending dough these days.

Beal is in his fourth year and he hasn't made any appreciable leap in the areas of his game that have been suspect from the moment he's been drafted, and on top of that, he hasn't made any progress with his shot selection despite claiming to have made it his offseason focus.

He's only 22 years old, which makes it a tough decision to move on, but to win in this league you have to get value out of your max deals, and Beal at +$20 million simply isn't.

I'd much rather role the dice on a young big on a rookie deal with great upside, than to make a $100-$120 million gamble on Beal.

He'd have to be a sure thing to make it worthwhile having $40 million a year tied up in our backcourt.

My main problem with Beal for WCS is the fact that WCS is actually the same age as Beal. He's not some raw big man out of high school with 30 games of college under his belt. As a 3-year college player in a big time program, he's practically a veteran. I just don't expect him to make a massive leap in the future. I think we need a bit more value.

Maybe a pick-swap agreement would balance the scales.

[nate33]

I'd be more open to shipping out Beal to the Bulls for (Portis or Mirotic), Filler (Dunleavy), and a future 1st (Lotto protected).

In fact, I believe one crazy idea would be to make that trade now. Then sign both KD and Whiteside in the offseason.

Wall / Minimum vet (Brooks, sessions, etc.)
Sato / Dunleavy
Otto / Oubre
KD / Portis
Whiteside / Nene / Portis

Interesting lineup to say the least and one that has multiple people who could light up the scoreboard, steal, block shots, distribute, and initiate offense. You then have 4 mid-late 1st round picks (Our 2016, our 2017, Bulls, and one from trading gortat) over the next 2 years to keep the bench talented and cheap.

I like this.

[payitforward]

Everybody seems to take it for granted that Bobby Portis is a stud in the making, and I agree that off his college career he looks like he has potential. OTOH, so far he's played a total of 27 minutes for the Bulls. Might be a little early to conclude anything?

Anyway, I don't think the Bulls are dumb enough to trade a guy over whom they have control for 5 years at a total cost of $10m. Who trades their R1 pick 24 games into his rookie year? If we don't have enough young players to develop, and we sure don't, the Bulls aren't going to solve our problem for us.

I also don't think they're going to give us Mirotic and a R1 pick for Brad Beal who they'll have to give big $$ to keep and who's still a question mark. Mirotic has actually worked out; he's good, and he's only 2 years older than Beal.

Any sensible team is going to let us suffer through the decision about paying Beal. No one is going to relieve our pain for us.

[fishercob]

I wouldn't do it. I'm not sure WCS will ever develop anything like a decent offensive game.

I think the haul for Beal could be better.

I guess, being a self-flagellating, masochistic, Charlie Brown like Wizards fan, I'm also still holding out hope for the KD2DC pipe dream.

And Beal as a third wheel... With better coaching, could explode. If he did nothing but catch and shoot, take it to the rack when he gets run off the three and work hard on D, he'd be a pretty valuable piece... Maybe even worth the max the way teams are spending dough these days.

Beal is in his fourth year and he hasn't made any appreciable leap in the areas of his game that have been suspect from the moment he's been drafted, and on top of that, he hasn't made any progress with his shot selection despite claiming to have made it his offseason focus.

He's only 22 years old, which makes it a tough decision to move on, but to win in this league you have to get value out of your max deals, and Beal at +$20 million simply isn't.

I'd much rather role the dice on a young big on a rookie deal with great upside, than to make a $100-$120 million gamble on Beal.

He'd have to be a sure thing to make it worthwhile having $40 million a year tied up in our backcourt.

My main problem with Beal for WCS is the fact that WCS is actually the same age as Beal. He's not some raw big man out of high school with 30 games of college under his belt. As a 3-year college player in a big time program, he's practically a veteran. I just don't expect him to make a massive leap in the future. I think we need a bit more value.

Maybe a pick-swap agreement would balance the scales.

I'm not worried about the lack of age gap. If Beal were the big man and WCS was the guard, I'd be more concerned, but (a) bigs take longer to develop and (b) there's a massive salary gap for the next few seasons. You're not just trading Beal for WCS, you're acquiring an additional, what, ~17M per season in salary flexibility?

FWIW, I polled this on the trade board. Most Kings fans were vocally anti the deal. The poll results though were that the Wizards said no -- by a huge margin. So maybe there's more value in this type of deal for the Wizards. The Kings' pick situation makes that pretty tricky. Casspi would be a nice throw-in; inexpensive and underrated depth guy who would be a nice fill-in for Dudley next year.

[fishercob]

Everybody seems to take it for granted that Bobby Portis is a stud in the making, and I agree that off his college career he looks like he has potential. OTOH, so far he's played a total of 27 minutes for the Bulls. Might be a little early to conclude anything?

Anyway, I don't think the Bulls are dumb enough to trade a guy over whom they have control for 5 years at a total cost of $10m. Who trades their R1 pick 24 games into his rookie year? If we don't have enough young players to develop, and we sure don't, the Bulls aren't going to solve our problem for us.

I also don't think they're going to give us Mirotic and a R1 pick for Brad Beal who they'll have to give big $$ to keep and who's still a question mark. Mirotic has actually worked out; he's good, and he's only 2 years older than Beal.

Any sensible team is going to let us suffer through the decision about paying Beal. No one is going to relieve our pain for us.

Precisely the reason to talk to Sacramento.

[nate33]

Fair points, fishercob. I'm still in the kneejerk phase of overrating my own player. The more I think about it, the more Beal for WCS makes sense. WCS looks like a credible NBA player right now. And he'll give us 3 more years on a very cheap salary. We could replace Beal this summer with a guy like Evan Fournier and end up with more total talent at a smaller cost.

[LyricalRico]

I've pimped that trade a couple of times already, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

Trill? Interesting, but what to do with Gortat? I don't know that they can play together, so we'd need to add more teams. To the Checker!

Wizards trade: Beal, Gortat, and Blair
Wizards receive: WCS, Faried, and K.Martin

Kings trade: WCS and McLemore
Kings receive: Beal

Nuggets trade: Faried and Foye
Nuggets receive: Gortat and McLemore

Wolves trade: K.Martin
Wolves receive: Blair and Foye (both expiring)

TRADE ID 6636681

Minny saves money and opens up minutes for younger guys, Denver gets bigger, Sacto gets a potential backcourt star to pair with DMC, and Washington takes a chance on a younger frontcourt.

WCS/Nene
Faried/Hump
Porter/Dudley
Martin/Neal
Wall/Sessions

Interesting, assuming you like Cauley-Stein.

I don't see a need to make such a complex deal out of this. Cauley-Stein can be a backup center for the Wizards behind Gortat -- at least until they can find a deal for Gortat that makes more sense. A straight swap of Beal for Cauley-Stein seems to make sense for both teams.

Yeah, but where's the fun in that?

My main problem with Beal for WCS is the fact that WCS is actually the same age as Beal. He's not some raw big man out of high school with 30 games of college under his belt. As a 3-year college player in a big time program, he's practically a veteran. I just don't expect him to make a massive leap in the future. I think we need a bit more value.

Maybe a pick-swap agreement would balance the scales.

Does adding McLemore count? Might have to do that anyway to make the cap numbers work.

[fishercob]

Trill? Interesting, but what to do with Gortat? I don't know that they can play together, so we'd need to add more teams. To the Checker!

Wizards trade: Beal, Gortat, and Blair
Wizards receive: WCS, Faried, and K.Martin

Kings trade: WCS and McLemore
Kings receive: Beal

Nuggets trade: Faried and Foye
Nuggets receive: Gortat and McLemore

Wolves trade: K.Martin
Wolves receive: Blair and Foye (both expiring)

TRADE ID 6636681

Minny saves money and opens up minutes for younger guys, Denver gets bigger, Sacto gets a potential backcourt star to pair with DMC, and Washington takes a chance on a younger frontcourt.

WCS/Nene
Faried/Hump
Porter/Dudley
Martin/Neal
Wall/Sessions

Interesting, assuming you like Cauley-Stein.

I don't see a need to make such a complex deal out of this. Cauley-Stein can be a backup center for the Wizards behind Gortat -- at least until they can find a deal for Gortat that makes more sense. A straight swap of Beal for Cauley-Stein seems to make sense for both teams.

Yeah, but where's the fun in that?

My main problem with Beal for WCS is the fact that WCS is actually the same age as Beal. He's not some raw big man out of high school with 30 games of college under his belt. As a 3-year college player in a big time program, he's practically a veteran. I just don't expect him to make a massive leap in the future. I think we need a bit more value.

Maybe a pick-swap agreement would balance the scales.

Does adding McLemore count? Might have to do that anyway to make the cap numbers work.

I'd rather add Macklemore than Ben McLemore. The latter sucks.

[payitforward]

Everybody seems to take it for granted that Bobby Portis is a stud in the making, and I agree that off his college career he looks like he has potential. OTOH, so far he's played a total of 27 minutes for the Bulls. Might be a little early to conclude anything?

Anyway, I don't think the Bulls are dumb enough to trade a guy over whom they have control for 5 years at a total cost of $10m. Who trades their R1 pick 24 games into his rookie year? If we don't have enough young players to develop, and we sure don't, the Bulls aren't going to solve our problem for us.

I also don't think they're going to give us Mirotic and a R1 pick for Brad Beal who they'll have to give big $$ to keep and who's still a question mark. Mirotic has actually worked out; he's good, and he's only 2 years older than Beal.

Any sensible team is going to let us suffer through the decision about paying Beal. No one is going to relieve our pain for us.

Precisely the reason to talk to Sacramento.

-- then again, you know what they say about "when the blind... (trade with) the blind."

Actually... I wish I wasn't worried that Ernie would instead find a way to acquire Rudy Gay from Sacramento -- then crow that he'd acquired one of the best players in the league!

[AFM]

This board is beginning to remind me of 2 years ago when we thought wall was a bust and wanted to trade him for ty lawson and pick or Jrue Holiday

overreaction of peace

[TGW]

This board is beginning to remind me of 2 years ago when we thought wall was a bust and wanted to trade him for ty lawson and pick or Jrue Holiday

overreaction of peace

Agreed.

As much as I like loathe parts of Beal's game, and his injury past, he has proven that he steps his game up in the playoffs. It's just between the months of December through about February where he plays poorly and misses games.

Hopefully, Grunfailed doesn't overpay.

[nate33]

Hopefully, Grunfailed doesn't overpay.

I think these trades are based on the premise that Grunfeld won't have a choice about overpaying.

If you KNEW that someone would offer Beal a max salary this summer, would you trade him for WCS instead?

[AFM]

No, who da fook is WCS? I had to google that dude, absolutely not

How do we go for trading Beal for Harden to Beal for Cousins to Beal for WCS, some oaf? Why dont we just trade Beal for Matt Bonner and be done with it

[queridiculo]

This board is beginning to remind me of 2 years ago when we thought wall was a bust and wanted to trade him for ty lawson and pick or Jrue Holiday

overreaction of peace

The people wanting to trade Wall were a vocal minority.

[miller31time]

I have no problem dealing Beal but I think one thing this board is ignoring Is that, while Beal's actual value may not be high, his perceived value is still much more than a guy like Willie Cauley-Stein. We could do much better in a Beal trade than that. Hell, just listen to the way the media treats Beal. It's as if he's actually accomplished something in this league and has led the Wizards to the promised land.

Perception = value.