Potential Free Agent Signings

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[Eli Babak]

I have a feeling that Tommy's gonna give Hassan Whiteside the Ernie Special: full MLE with a player option. Nerlens Noel would be my choice but they're saying he's going back to Philly. Few hours and FA officially begins...

Edit: What, 18M/year for Bertans? That would be **** disgusting.

[Frichuela]

If we pay Bertans $18mn/year, I don't think we'll have the full non-Tax MLE before we hit the tax line...Please someone correct me if I am wrong!

Also, is it worth it to pay him $18mn??...could we target a sign-and-trade of him for another piece? Who? Myles Turner would be too much $ tied at the center position (assuming we keep Bryant). Otherwise, an out of the box option could be a sign-and-trade with the Kings of Bertans for Bogdanovic?

[miller31time]

At 18mil, I’d say a quick “Thank you for your service” to Davis and wish him well for whatever team wants that on their payroll.

We can’t just give near-20mil per year contracts to average players. That’s how the Knicks are the Knicks. Don’t be the Knicks.

[pcbothwel]

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Welp... bye then. This is the ONE YEAR we cant pay a premium. ATL I would understand, but if he wants to go play in that garbage can of a franchise in NY then so be it. Not only is the org terrible, but the city is shut down and you lose all additional income to cost of living and taxes.

Either way, work out a SnT for a massive 17M+ TPE, use the MLE and BAE as best we can, and keep the 17M on Ice as we assess Wall/Beal 2.0.

I would look at Ilyasova as a cheap replacement. Can actually defend and rebound while shooting 45/36/80... why not.

[NatP4]

At 18mil, I’d say a quick “Thank you for your service” to Davis and wish him well for whatever team wants that on their payroll.

We can’t just give near-20mil per year contracts to average players. That’s how the Knicks are the Knicks. Don’t be the Knicks.

He’s not average. 19 points per 36 on .628 TS%, ranked 8th for SFs in RPM. You might call the guy elite.

I keep saying it, but the wizards have issues everywhere else, keep the good players. 18 million isn’t a discount, but Bertans is good, and you aren’t going to get a better player for 18 million. He’s also just 28 this year, he will be a good player for the life of this next deal. He plays hard and seems like a high character guy.

I say pay him.

[nate33]

We can basically pay him anything he wants over the next 2 years. We don't have cap room and we aren't in luxtax territory. It's that 3rd and 4th year where the cap situation becomes a real problem

Don't get me wrong. $18M is too much. I'm just saying it doesn't really hurt the overall salary structure much.

If it was possible to pay him $18M, $18M, $6M, $6M over the next 4 years, I'd do it. Unfortunately, the CBA doesn't let you do that.

[nate33]

I'd call his agent's bluff on $18M a year. Only 2 teams can pay him that, and Bertans is third at best on the free agency pecking order (behind Hayward and Van Vleet).

[queridiculo]

On one hand it seems like the Wizards don't really have a choice but to break the bank for Bertans, on the other hand we know how this played out with Bogdanovic.

Leonsis isn't going to open his purse.

That double bottom only works if the bottom line is in his favor.

[miller31time]

At 18mil, I’d say a quick “Thank you for your service” to Davis and wish him well for whatever team wants that on their payroll.

We can’t just give near-20mil per year contracts to average players. That’s how the Knicks are the Knicks. Don’t be the Knicks.

He’s not average. 19 points per 36 on .628 TS%, ranked 8th for SFs in RPM. You might call the guy elite.

I keep saying it, but the wizards have issues everywhere else, keep the good players. 18 million isn’t a discount, but Bertans is good, and you aren’t going to get a better player for 18 million. He’s also just 28 this year, he will be a good player for the life of this next deal. He plays hard and seems like a high character guy.

I say pay him.

PER: 15.5 (essentially league average)

PPA, Kevin Broom’s advanced player production average metric where 45 is replacement level, 100 is average, and the higher the better) has him at 105. Essentially league average.

His shooting efficiency is fantastic but he does little else to impact the game. Doesn’t rebound, not a great passer, not a great defender and his offensive repertoire is limited.

On the right team, his value as a shooter might make him worth 18mil but don’t confuse that for him being an above average player. He isn’t.

[NatP4]

PER means nothing to me. Do you have a full list of wizards players and their PPA ratings? I’m curious

[badinage]

At 18mil, I’d say a quick “Thank you for your service” to Davis and wish him well for whatever team wants that on their payroll.

We can’t just give near-20mil per year contracts to average players. That’s how the Knicks are the Knicks. Don’t be the Knicks.

He’s not average. 19 points per 36 on .628 TS%, ranked 8th for SFs in RPM. You might call the guy elite.

I keep saying it, but the wizards have issues everywhere else, keep the good players. 18 million isn’t a discount, but Bertans is good, and you aren’t going to get a better player for 18 million. He’s also just 28 this year, he will be a good player for the life of this next deal. He plays hard and seems like a high character guy.

I say pay him.

PER: 15.5 (essentially league average)

PPA, Kevin Broom’s advanced player production average metric where 45 is replacement level, 100 is average, and the higher the better) has him at 105. Essentially league average.

His shooting efficiency is fantastic but he does little else to impact the game. Doesn’t rebound, not a great passer, not a great defender and his offensive repertoire is limited.

On the right team, his value as a shooter might make him worth 18mil but don’t confuse that for him being an above average player. He isn’t.

Nope. Not true.

A little something called “gravity.” He opens the court for others. That’s not minimal affect on the game.

Unlike with baseball, you can’t look at players in a vacuum.

[TGW]

Just go after Dario Saric for like a third of the price.

[NatP4]

3 years 54 million is what I would offer. If he wants 4 years, then the yearly $ goes down. 4 years 64 million.

[pcbothwel]

3 years 54 million is what I would offer. If he wants 4 years, then the yearly $ goes down. 4 years 64 million.

Looks like ATL is signing Bogdan.

[JAR69]

3 years 54 million is what I would offer. If he wants 4 years, then the yearly $ goes down. 4 years 64 million.

Looks like ATL is signing Bogdan.

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[JAR69]

3 years 54 million is what I would offer. If he wants 4 years, then the yearly $ goes down. 4 years 64 million.

Looks like ATL is signing Bogdan.

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[Gig18]

He's unrestricted, so you call his bluff and you can end up losing him without recompense.
then we're still bad defensively and worse offensively.
pay him and you still have him as a trade chip if you feel it's too much later.
It gets hard to watch young talent walk.
Bertans is only 27; he can shoot like that for a loooong time

[wall_glizzy]

Reading on Wiretap that Indy is still pursuing a S&T for Hayward. I assumed that once Hayward opted out of his player option, Boston no longer had the capability of sign-and-trading him. Maybe that's incorrect.

You usually see the S&T thing happen in RFA (as it did a bunch last season) because the incumbent team has matching rights and can leverage that into getting a second rounder or something back, like we did with Sato.

This is the other use case, where Indiana can't sign Hayward directly into open cap space and thus has to arrange a trade. Since the Celtics have Hayward's Bird Rights, they're exclusively (between them and the Pacers, or them and any other non-cap space team), capable of signing him to a deal at $25m or whatever he's looking for, and thus able to use that to demand assets for facilitating the move to Indiana.

The interesting part is that looking at Indiana's cap sheet, they don't have a lot of dud mega-deals for cap ballast. Assuming Hayward isn't taking a massive paycut, I don't see any way the salaries could match without at least one of Turner/Oladipo/Lamb/Warren/Sabonis/Brogdon coming back. But sign and trade limitations prevent the Celtics from sending any players/assets along with Hayward in the deal! It sounds like the only possibility is working out two separate transactions - the first being Hayward for... Oladipo? Turner? The second, which could execute simultaneously, would have to be the Celtics sending out desirable low-salary players and/or some draft compensation for pure salary filler from the Pacers scrap heap. Maybe this is the window the Pacers have been looking for to dump Oladipo or Turner, but it'll have to be quite a deal.

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