Political Roundtable Part XXXIII

[pancakes3]

i will say though, even if they get Biden to drop out, and there's been a lot of rumblings from fairly reputable sources saying that Pelosi, Schumer, Obama, etc. are saying that they're trying to nudge Biden out, there have been ZERO rumblings from those same sources as to who Pelosi, Schumer, Obama, etc. are suggesting as a replacement so even if Biden is bullied into dropping out, the power vacuum is going to be a clusterf.

Trump, for all his deficiencies, is at least smart enough to soft launch the Tim Scotts and Viveks before capitalizing (literally) on JD Vance. He saw enough that those guys aren't very popular, and if you're not going to go for a popular VP that'll win you swing votes, you might as well go for the unpopular VP that'll get you hundreds of millions of dollars.

[Zonkerbl]

Replacing Biden with a young, energetic, exciting new shiny candidate would be all the MSM would talk about for MONTHS. It would suck all the air right out of the GOP's usual master manipulation of it. I don't know how much that matters, but there it is. Everyone who hates Trump is going to vote for whomever the Dems put up there and a younger, pro-Palestinier candidate could energize younger voters. I say go for it. I don't like Biden that much anyway.

I never understood Biden’s appeal.
Plagiarism.
Anita Hill.
Draft dodger. (So was I but at least I was against the war)
Mass incarceration.
Forever war on drugs.
Botched Afghanistan withdrawal.
Only one in the room to vote “no” on mission to get Osama bin Ladin.

I was amazed by the fact checking done by the Post after his interview with Lester Holt that supposedly showed his foreign policy expertise. His “expertise” just full of distortions.

He created an image that must have appealed to many, but he’s just an empty suit politician with his finger in the air to figure out his position.

Don't get me wrong. Biden has been AMAZING. I count "getting us out of the botched forever war in Afghanistan that W started" as a HUGE win for Biden.

Everything else I can think of - war on drugs, decarceration, student loan forgiveness - he's actually doing as much as you could expect. I like Biden's POLICIES. A LOT. I like what the economy is doing now too. But I get how the unconditional support of right wing fascists who happen to have gotten elected in Israel just reminds people that he's a product of the 1990s. He's old and he's got old ideas. He can be persuaded to adopt progressive policies, but wouldn't you rather have a POTUS like AOC who lives and breathes progressive policies, instead of begrudgingly being badgered into adopting them? Ok AOC actually CAN'T run for POTUS because she's too young. But just about any of the younger Dems would be exciting and fun. I wouldn't complain if he stepped down put Kamala in charge. I think that's the only way it could possibly work anyway. He should draw it out and make it as dramatic as possible, really unleash the monkeys, unleash the circus.

[Pointgod]

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This is a very stupid and dangerous game Democrats are playing, the warning signs are there.

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[closg00]

This is a very stupid and dangerous game Democrats are playing, the warning signs are there.

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Is it your position that Biden should not step-aside, that he should be the candidate?...just wanted to be sure

[Kanyewest]

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Disaster, no one wants to tie their political future at the side of the unpopular Harris, get a lesser known surprise pick, a rising Congressional Rep or something, at-least something is in the works.

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This is a very stupid and dangerous game Democrats are playing, the warning signs are there.

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Is it your position that Biden should not step-aside, that he should be the candidate?...just wanted to be sure

The time to ask Biden to step aside was two years ago and the volatility of replacing him on the ticket does not seem to be worth the risk. The idiots that have tried to force him out in public have botched this so badly that not only does the party look like it’s in complete chaos, there’s no way that him stepping down doesn’t piss off a massive number of voters. You’re asking two people who haven’t run a national campaign before to win one in 4 months, it’s complete idiocy that’s coming mainly from the media and useless pundits.

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[closg00]

The time to ask Biden to step aside was two years ago and the volatility of replacing him on the ticket does not seem to be worth the risk. The idiots that have tried to force him out in public have botched this so badly that not only does the party look like it’s in complete chaos, there’s no way that him stepping down doesn’t piss off a massive number of voters. You’re asking two people who haven’t run a national campaign before to win one in 4 months, it’s complete idiocy that’s coming mainly from the media and useless pundits.

Nope, 2/3 of voting Democrats.

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[Pointgod]

The time to ask Biden to step aside was two years ago and the volatility of replacing him on the ticket does not seem to be worth the risk. The idiots that have tried to force him out in public have botched this so badly that not only does the party look like it’s in complete chaos, there’s no way that him stepping down doesn’t piss off a massive number of voters. You’re asking two people who haven’t run a national campaign before to win one in 4 months, it’s complete idiocy that’s coming mainly from the media and useless pundits.

Nope, 2/3 of voting Democrats.

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Do you not understand that polls are influenced by the media and pundits? The past 3 weeks has been Biden should step down, the years before that were that he’s too old. Why do don’t you believe that would be reflected in polls, especially if it’s people that pay a lot of attention to politics.

Biden’s age has been baked into the calculus of voters and using a poll 4 months out from an election to make major decisions is poor practice. If 66% of Democrats wanted Biden to step down then he wouldn’t have gotten 90% of the primary votes. I can find polls for anything to make my argument, but that doesn’t mean I’m correct.

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Show me a clear path to winning and historical examples of parties removing their candidate from a ticket months before an election and successfully winning vs showing opinion polls and media sound bites.

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And surprise surprise, the more people see of Trump, the more the realize he’s a deranged ****. He’s only popular in the social media bubble and because the media refuses to cover him accurately

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Imagine if the idiot Democrats trying to push out Biden hadn’t shot themselves in the dick over the last few weeks and instead focused on how unfit Trump is for office.

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Show me a clear path to winning and historical examples of parties removing their candidate from a ticket months before an election and successfully winning vs showing opinion polls and media sound bites.

All this proves is that liberals will vote for Biden if they have to, the same group wants him replaced. If Biden truly was a viable candidate, Obama would have stuck with him, Schumer, Jeffries, and Pelosi (who have the benefit of their own internal polls), have been convinced by the data and polling that Biden will sink Democrats down with him across the ballot and have wisely asked him to step-aside.

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[Zonkerbl]

Pete Buttigieg

Now stop arguing you nitwits

[Benjammin]

Trump with a master stroke last night. Rather than actually going for a unity message he droned and on for 90+ minutes. Now Biden and his team think they can win (maybe they can) and are more likely to stay in the race. Of course, Trump is a narcissist among other things so no conspiracy theories are needed for him being himself.

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Show me a clear path to winning and historical examples of parties removing their candidate from a ticket months before an election and successfully winning vs showing opinion polls and media sound bites.

All this proves is that liberals will vote for Biden if they have to, the same group wants him replaced. If Biden truly was a viable candidate, Obama would have stuck with him, Schumer, Jeffries, and Pelosi (who have the benefit of their own internal polls), have been convinced by the data and polling that Biden will sink Democrats down with him across the ballot and have wisely asked him to step-aside.

Again it’s the media reporting from anonymous sources that Schumer, Jeffries and Pelosi have tried getting Biden out of the race. And it’s a small minority of Congress members that have publicly called for him to exit. No one is going public at this point which is what would happen if things were really that dire.

Jeffries is publicly backing him.

AOC, Bernie and Ilhan Omar have backed him as well. There’s some to it that the more prominent Progressive voices haven’t wavered from Biden.

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[Pointgod]

Anyways back to Trump. What is he hiding? Why won’t he release the medical report?

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[Zonkerbl]

Speaking of AOC, here's her take:

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[closg00]

Again it’s the media reporting from anonymous sources that Schumer, Jeffries and Pelosi have tried getting Biden out of the race. And it’s a small minority of Congress members that have publicly called for him to exit. No one is going public at this point which is what would happen if things were really that dire.

Jeffries is publicly backing him.

AOC, Bernie and Ilhan Omar have backed him as well. There’s some to it that the more prominent Progressive voices haven’t wavered from Biden.

What was the sequence of events? The leadership tried to talk Biden in leaving and he said no, now they have no choice but to back him, now Biden will lose in a blowout and drag all the down ballot candidates with him. House, gone, Senate, gone to save Biden’s ego.