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Re: Wizards Board Draft Thread II 

Post#141 » by nate33 » Mon Apr 20, 2009 8:23 pm

fishercob wrote:If I'm Etan, I gladly work out and fly around the country on someone else's dime for $1.8M. I think he and his agent reject that quickly.

Well, I was factoring in a little good will since Etan has been essentially stealing money from Abe for 5 years (minus one successful month at the beginning of the 2006/07 season).

Maybe MJG is right that we could only expect to buy him out for his contract minus the veteran minimum. But even that saves Abe $1.1M plus another $1.1M in luxtax fees. If that turns out to be the final chunk on money necessary to get us under the luxtax, it would save Abe another $3-5M in shared revenue gained by participating in the luxtax redistribution.

Where's Michael Jordan and Doug Collins when you need them? Those guys got Bryon Russell to walk away from $3M, just so he didn't have to listen to them complain all the damn time.
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Re: Wizards Board Draft Thread II 

Post#142 » by TheSecretWeapon » Mon Apr 20, 2009 8:35 pm

I don't see any reason why Etan or James would take less money in a buyout. Just let the team release them, and then go sign somewhere else.

Russell walked away from $1.5 million, and he got much of that back when he signed with someone else. Neither James nor Thomas are getting more than the league minimum at this point in their careers.
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Re: Wizards Board Draft Thread II 

Post#143 » by nate33 » Mon Apr 20, 2009 8:39 pm

From the Draft Board:
talkbasket wrote:Just since there are so many posts here that obviously distort and incorrectly state things about Rubio, I thought I would post this. Because it is obvious Americans generally have no clue about him. A lot of people here seem to think he is physically lacking for the NBA, but that is blatantly wrong.

Anyway, I contacted a friend of mine that I know that works as a scout in Europe (he asked that I not give his name), so if you don't believe this fine, but anyways, this should help to fix some of these incorrect ideas that Rubio is physically lacking for the NBA.

OK, I asked him if anyone knows measurements and physical details for Rubio and he said no one has any for him at his current age, which he said is one of the main reasons Rubio might declare early, just so teams might measure him out as to raise his draft stock. The only info teams and scouts have are from some measurements that were taken around the end of his first Euroleague season by his club in Spain. Apparently, his team has not released any info on this since.

This is what I was told were supposedly the results (keep in mind that this is at age 16):

Height with shoes: 6-4 ½
Wingspan: 6-9 ½
Weight: 190 lbs.

I was told they have no info for standing reach, but we can probably figure it closely enough by comparing that to other player measurements. So as you can see, from the results at age 16 and then projecting it to now at age 18 (assuming he probably did grow or fill out slightly) you can see that he has excellent size and physical tools for the NBA point guard position and even should be able to have no problem guarding NBA shooting guards as his body gets stronger.

I hope this helps give some better perspective here because it just seems like not a single American understands what kind of physical tools he has to work with.

Wow. If he was 6-4.5 in shoes at age 16, you gotta figure he's at least 6-5 now, with potentially a 6-10 wingspan. When he fills out, that's legit SG size. I always figured he'd be too small and skinny to defend SG's and too slow to defend NBA PG's. I might be wrong.

If we do land the #2 pick, I'm not so hell bent on trading him now. It might take him a year or two to fill out and hone his perimeter shot, but he could be the perfect compliment to Arenas.
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Re: Wizards Board Draft Thread II 

Post#144 » by nate33 » Mon Apr 20, 2009 8:45 pm

TheSecretWeapon wrote:I don't see any reason why Etan or James would take less money in a buyout. Just let the team release them, and then go sign somewhere else.

Russell walked away from $1.5 million, and he got much of that back when he signed with someone else. Neither James nor Thomas are getting more than the league minimum at this point in their careers.

My bad. He walked away from $1.5M and signed for $1.07M. That's basically what I'm hoping Etan and James will do: leave $1.5M on the table and then go resign somewhere for $1.1M.

One can make a case that it wouldn't make sense for Mike James. The incentive for doing a move like this would be to join a winning team with a shot at a title. No winning team will want Mike James at PG because he isn't really a PG.

Etan is another story though. Etan will work hard in the weight room and set a good example in practice. He'll accept sitting at the end of the bench for a team like San Antonio and then stepping in to bang a bit and grab some boards when called upon. Etan on a vet minimum salary is something a winning team would like to have.
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Re: Wizards Board Draft Thread II 

Post#145 » by LyricalRico » Mon Apr 20, 2009 9:01 pm

^ I can maybe see Mike James getting on somewhere for the minimum after showing he can still play a bit this year. But I don't think Etan gets any interest at all. Maybe a team desperate for size because of mid-season injuries dangles a minimum deal but other than that I don't see it.

As for the Toronto trade down scenario, I'm all for it. I'd even try to do a bit more with a team like Detroit. They desperately need a longterm answer in the middle and Thabeet at #3 would be very attractive to them IMO. Would they take both Stevenson and James off our hands to move up from #15?
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Re: Wizards Board Draft Thread II 

Post#146 » by fishercob » Mon Apr 20, 2009 9:11 pm

LyricalRico wrote:^ I can maybe see Mike James getting on somewhere for the minimum after showing he can still play a bit this year. But I don't think Etan gets any interest at all. Maybe a team desperate for size because of mid-season injuries dangles a minimum deal but other than that I don't see it.

As for the Toronto trade down scenario, I'm all for it. I'd even try to do a bit more with a team like Detroit. They desperately need a longterm answer in the middle and Thabeet at #3 would be very attractive to them IMO. Would they take both Stevenson and James off our hands to move up from #15?


Better yet, would they give us Rip for our pick, the DS's and Young?

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Re: Wizards Board Draft Thread II 

Post#147 » by nate33 » Mon Apr 20, 2009 9:28 pm

fishercob wrote:
LyricalRico wrote:^ I can maybe see Mike James getting on somewhere for the minimum after showing he can still play a bit this year. But I don't think Etan gets any interest at all. Maybe a team desperate for size because of mid-season injuries dangles a minimum deal but other than that I don't see it.

As for the Toronto trade down scenario, I'm all for it. I'd even try to do a bit more with a team like Detroit. They desperately need a longterm answer in the middle and Thabeet at #3 would be very attractive to them IMO. Would they take both Stevenson and James off our hands to move up from #15?


Better yet, would they give us Rip for our pick, the DS's and Young?

Arenas, Rip, Butler, Jamison, Haywood. McGuire, Blatche, McGee, #33, Critt, James, Etan, Pech

We can't afford Rip. He'll be paid $11.6M next year and $11.33M in each of the successive 4 years. I'd rather take my chances with the Young/DMac tandem making a combined $3M a year.
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Re: Wizards Board Draft Thread II 

Post#148 » by ZonkertheBrainless » Tue Apr 21, 2009 12:02 am

If we trade away our pick for the #15 and salary relief I'm going to get out my pitchfork and torch and set a bunch of couches on fire in the middle of the verizon center.
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Re: Wizards Board Draft Thread II 

Post#149 » by BigA » Tue Apr 21, 2009 12:23 am

ZonkertheBrainless wrote:If we trade away our pick for the #15 and salary relief I'm going to get out my pitchfork and torch and set a bunch of couches on fire in the middle of the verizon center.


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Re: Wizards Board Draft Thread II 

Post#150 » by closg00 » Tue Apr 21, 2009 12:36 am

It's officially a two-man draft now, Rubio is in:

Ricky Rubio, the Spanish point guard sensation that has been compared to everyone from Pete Maravich to Steve Nash will declare for the 2009 NBA draft, his agent, Dan Fegan, told ESPN.com from Barcelona this afternoon.


http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2009 ... id=4084579
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Breaking News-Rubio Declares for Draft 

Post#151 » by Ji » Tue Apr 21, 2009 12:45 am

from RotoWorld

Spanish point guard Ricky Rubio will declare for the 2009 NBA draft, his agent announced on Monday.
Rubio still needs to reach a buyout agreement with his current team, Spain's DKV Joventut, but it appears certain that he'll be in the draft. He's the consensus #2 pick and most scouts expect him to emerge as a special PG once he fills out his 6'4", 180-pound frame.
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Re: Wizards Board Draft Thread II 

Post#152 » by Ji » Tue Apr 21, 2009 12:46 am

Im started to get more excited about him than Blake
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Re: Breaking News-Rubio Declares for Draft 

Post#153 » by FreeBalling » Tue Apr 21, 2009 12:52 am

Tks for killing the 1st and 2nd draft spot Ji.


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Re: Wizards Board Draft Thread II 

Post#154 » by Dat2U » Tue Apr 21, 2009 12:53 am

That's just great news about Rubio! This is truly a two man draft. We can get the next Karl Malone or a guy that's a combo of Steve Nash/Jason Kidd. Either could truly push this team to another level.

We've got a 35% chance at getting a top 2 pick & getting a major difference maker and immediate contributor.

I wouldn't look to trade either pick if we got it. If we draft #3 or later, then I'm all for trading the pick for the "right" veteran. (i.e. a young player that projects as an above average starter and can play D). If not, then i'd look towards Tyreke Evans or Steph Curry depending on where we pick.
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Re: Breaking News-Rubio Declares for Draft 

Post#155 » by LyricalRico » Tue Apr 21, 2009 12:56 am

This thread pretty much guarantees we'll be picking 5th. Thanks, Ji.

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Re: Breaking News-Rubio Declares for Draft 

Post#156 » by fishercob » Tue Apr 21, 2009 12:58 am

nah, we're good. This may guarantee that Rubio develops polio, but the the Ji-had has been defeated.
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Re: Breaking News-Rubio Declares for Draft 

Post#157 » by Dat2U » Tue Apr 21, 2009 12:58 am

Damn Ji...can you just chill the f_ out? You always gotta be starting a thread. We'll probably end up with Rubio now except he'll get his head amputated on a ride at Six Flags his first week in DC.

Just stop it with the threads. You can stop being a damn jinx by just chilling out. Post as you will but please, for the love of God, give the thread making a friggin rest!
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Re: Breaking News-Rubio Declares for Draft 

Post#158 » by Dat2U » Tue Apr 21, 2009 1:00 am

...oh and IBTL or IBTM
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Re: Wizards Board Draft Thread II 

Post#159 » by Ji » Tue Apr 21, 2009 1:51 am

Good news--Curry is in the draft

http://blogs.usatoday.com/bracketracket ... draft.html

btw...next year draft lottery looks sick
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Re: Wizards Board Draft Thread II 

Post#160 » by BIRDMAN BIRDMAN » Tue Apr 21, 2009 2:38 am

Yo folks, so a Spanish site said Rubio will indeed enter, and BSPN has it, so yeah, good.

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