Draft Thread Continued. 2011 part two...

illyasova · Post #1401 » by **illyasova** » Wed May 11, 2011 7:34 pm

This link tells all about him and some more observations,

http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/20 ... r-workout/

GhostsOfGil · Post #1402 » by **GhostsOfGil** » Wed May 11, 2011 7:50 pm

illyasova wrote:This link tells all about him and some more observations,

http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/20 ... r-workout/

We walked out of the gym in Chicago pondering whether or not Enes could ultimately wind up as the No. 1 pick in the 2011 NBA Draft.

The first thing that was noticeable about Kanter was how much better his body looked. Not that he was ever out of shape in the first place, the 6-11 Turk went from around 270 pounds in March to a shredded 258 pounds as of Monday. He claims that he wants to play at “around 265 or 270 pounds” in the NBA, but get his weight back up the right away. Either way, you couldn’t help but be amazed at the progress that he’s made on his body in such a short time frame

Having the chance to watch Enes shoot nearly 200 jumpers throughout the two workouts, we can tell you that this cat has certainly improved his J-work. He was nearly automatic inside of the European three point line, showing his potential to stretch the D as a 4/5 (whether he likes it or not, I’m sure he’s going to play some center). When the big man stepped out beyond the NBA arc, he showed off a smooth release and had solid, but not spectacular results shooting 13/25 and 15/25 respectively.

kanter/williams or bust

Post #1403 » by **nate33** » Wed May 11, 2011 8:03 pm

theboomking wrote:Interviewer: "I would like to see Derrick Williams of Arizona. Do you have a wish list of a guy you'd like to have if you had the number one pick?

Wall: "Uh yeah, I'd like to see him or Enes Kanter. I think those are the two big guys that could help us..."

Interviewer:"You're a guy that likes to compete night in and night out...where do you think the teams improvement will come from"

Wall: "Power forward and center"

I guess Wall isn't in love with Blatche and McGee.

Or does he mean that he expects a lot of improvement out of Blatche and McGee?

Ed Wood · Post #1404 » by **Ed Wood** » Wed May 11, 2011 8:11 pm

Yes Nate, that's definitely what John meant. That or he's shortly going to be 6'10" himself and is taking matters into his own hands.

Hoopalotta · Post #1405 » by **Hoopalotta** » Wed May 11, 2011 8:20 pm

So, if Wall really is 6'5", that would make it easier to draft Kemba Walker if we've got the 5th pick or whatever.

RT31 · Post #1406 » by **RT31** » Wed May 11, 2011 8:23 pm

i dunno...he looks slow to me. ok for a C, but too slow for a PF. which is fine, cause i wouldn't mind him as a C. I just doubt his feet are quick enough to play PF. 6-10, 6/11 or whatever he is, he's got a sturdy look. doubt he'll get pushed around like JaVale.

Post #1407 » by **nate33** » Wed May 11, 2011 8:31 pm

RT31 wrote:i dunno...he looks slow to me. ok for a C, but too slow for a PF. which is fine, cause i wouldn't mind him as a C. I just doubt his feet are quick enough to play PF. 6-10, 6/11 or whatever he is, he's got a sturdy look. doubt he'll get pushed around like JaVale.

The way I see it, he'll be playing alongside one of Blatche, McGee or Booker most of the time. Any of those guys can guard PF's while Kanter guards centers. The key is, Kanter's outside shot allows him to play the PF role on offense so that less skilled guys like McGee and Booker can just set picks and work the weak side for offensive rebounds.

DaRealHibachi · Post #1408 » by **DaRealHibachi** » Wed May 11, 2011 8:33 pm

Kanter looks likes a lil less skilled, slightly slower but stronger Pau Gasol...

Uhm... yeah...

Post #1409 » by **nate33** » Wed May 11, 2011 8:36 pm

Hoopalotta wrote:So, if Wall really is 6'5", that would make it easier to draft Kemba Walker if we've got the 5th pick or whatever.

I'd be loathe to do that. Kemba strikes me as the kind of guy who is best off with the ball in his hands. It doesn't make sense to use the 5th pick on a guy who won't be placed in an ideal position to succeed. I'd rather spend a lot less on more of a "3 and D" undersized SG who really doesn't need the ball. If we're picking 5th, I'd take Biyombo or Leonard before I selected Walker. (Or I'd take Walker with the intent to trade him.)

Post #1410 » by **Ruzious** » Wed May 11, 2011 8:47 pm

nate33 wrote:
RT31 wrote:i dunno...he looks slow to me. ok for a C, but too slow for a PF. which is fine, cause i wouldn't mind him as a C. I just doubt his feet are quick enough to play PF. 6-10, 6/11 or whatever he is, he's got a sturdy look. doubt he'll get pushed around like JaVale.

The way I see it, he'll be playing alongside one of Blatche, McGee or Booker most of the time. Any of those guys can guard PF's while Kanter guards centers. The key is, Kanter's outside shot allows him to play the PF role on offense so that less skilled guys like McGee and Booker can just set picks and work the weak side for offensive rebounds.

I concur - it's a conveniently good fit. There likely will be teams that the Wiz wouldn't match up perfectly defensively, but I'd be optimistic that they'd have the beginnings of a nucleus that can eventually be molded into a champeenship contender. Of course, it's easy to be overly optimistic this time o year.

All I know for sure is the lotto show can't come too soon. The anticipation for that is more than it is for the actual draft.

Post #1411 » by **nate33** » Wed May 11, 2011 8:50 pm

I wonder how easily we could move up from our #18 pick. We could throw in our #34 pick and possibly some cash or cap relief (short term only). Could that get us up to, say, #14?

Basically, I'd like to make sure that we came away with Singleton or Markieff Morris with our non-lotto pick. I'm worried they might go in the 10-15 range so I'm just wondering what it would take to move up.

Last year, we packaged the #30 plus the #35 to get Booker at #23. Our #35 pick was good for 7 slots in the draft. I figure it's tougher to move up as you get earlier into the draft; but shouldn't our #34 pick be good for 3 or 4 slots to get to #14 or #15?

RT31 · Post #1412 » by **RT31** » Wed May 11, 2011 8:53 pm

DaRealHibachi wrote:Kanter looks likes a lil less skilled, slightly slower but stronger Pau Gasol...

Uhm... yeah...

..umm, so he's nothing like gasol? j/k

Post #1413 » by **LyricalRico** » Wed May 11, 2011 8:55 pm

^ Isn't that what everybody said about Marc Gasol a few years ago? Slower, less skilled version of Pau? Plus possible weight issues? And how did he turn out...

Gotta admit, Kanter is looking better and better.

RT31 · Post #1414 » by **RT31** » Wed May 11, 2011 9:02 pm

Ruzious wrote:
nate33 wrote:
RT31 wrote:i dunno...he looks slow to me. ok for a C, but too slow for a PF. which is fine, cause i wouldn't mind him as a C. I just doubt his feet are quick enough to play PF. 6-10, 6/11 or whatever he is, he's got a sturdy look. doubt he'll get pushed around like JaVale.

The way I see it, he'll be playing alongside one of Blatche, McGee or Booker most of the time. Any of those guys can guard PF's while Kanter guards centers. The key is, Kanter's outside shot allows him to play the PF role on offense so that less skilled guys like McGee and Booker can just set picks and work the weak side for offensive rebounds.

I concur - it's a conveniently good fit. There likely will be teams that the Wiz wouldn't match up perfectly defensively, but I'd be optimistic that they'd have the beginnings of a nucleus that can eventually be molded into a champeenship contender. Of course, it's easy to be overly optimistic this time o year.

All I know for sure is the lotto show can't come too soon. The anticipation for that is more than it is for the actual draft.

sure, i'm fine with that, McGee, Kanter, Blatche roatating the PF/C position with Booker/Seraphin and whoever sprinkled in.

this draft just stinks though.

Illuminaire · Post #1415 » by **Illuminaire** » Wed May 11, 2011 9:04 pm

Kanter looks like a slimmer, more skilled Marc Gasol.

There, how's that?

thinker07 · Post #1416 » by **thinker07** » Thu May 12, 2011 1:07 am

nate33 wrote:I wonder how easily we could move up from our #18 pick. We could throw in our #34 pick and possibly some cash or cap relief (short term only). Could that get us up to, say, #14?

Basically, I'd like to make sure that we came away with Singleton or Markieff Morris with our non-lotto pick. I'm worried they might go in the 10-15 range so I'm just wondering what it would take to move up.

Last year, we packaged the #30 plus the #35 to get Booker at #23. Our #35 pick was good for 7 slots in the draft. I figure it's tougher to move up as you get earlier into the draft; but shouldn't our #34 pick be good for 3 or 4 slots to get to #14 or #15?

We got back the late 2nd round pick for Hamady - #56 in that deal as well. So I imagine that the #35 pick alone could have theoretically bought a pick even a little higher.

wizards-fan · Post #1417 » by **wizards-fan** » Thu May 12, 2011 3:30 am

PASS on Enes Kanter. Why am I not sold? You watched the Hoops video -- now I submit to you the following video, titled "Nick Collison highlights from his final two years at Kansas":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qB5NJAFT ... re=related

I would take that guy (6-10, 250) in a heartbeat over Enes Kanter (6-10, 250). Collison's career averages in seven seasons in the NBA: 7.4 PPG, 6.3 RPG, 0.6 BPG. To sum it up, Kanter = low ceiling.

The last skinny Euro I really liked was Andris Biedrins. He's now a pretty nice role-player for Golden State who plays about 24 minutes a game. I don't think any of the Euros will be better than him. Give me Bismack "Boom or Bust" Biyombo.

dangermouse · Post #1418 » by **dangermouse** » Thu May 12, 2011 3:37 am

Illuminaire wrote:Kanter looks like a slimmer, more skilled Marc Gasol.

There, how's that?

A slimmer , more skilled Marc is Pau! :lol:

I see the Collison resemblance but I think Kanter is a lot more offensively skilled than Collison (who is/was an underrated role-playing PF/C imo).

Im not big on taking Kanter as high as 3-5. If we can trade down then fine. But like wizards-fan, I want Biyombo more.

Relax though y'all, we are getting D-Will! Just keep saying it, like a mantra. We will get D-Will. We will get D-Will :meditate:

popper · Post #1419 » by **popper** » Thu May 12, 2011 3:38 am

Does anyone know historically which draft board has been the most accurate in predicting the order of player selections?

theboomking · Post #1420 » by **theboomking** » Thu May 12, 2011 3:41 am

wizards-fan wrote:PASS on Enes Kanter. Why am I not sold? You watched the Hoops video -- now I submit to you the following video, titled "Nick Collison highlights from his final two years at Kansas":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qB5NJAFT ... re=related

I would take that guy (6-10, 250) in a heartbeat over Enes Kanter (6-10, 250). Collison's career averages in seven seasons in the NBA: 7.4 PPG, 6.3 RPG, 0.6 BPG. To sum it up, Kanter = low ceiling.

The last skinny Euro I really liked was Andris Biedrins. He's now a pretty nice role-player for Golden State who plays about 24 minutes a game. I don't think any of the Euros will be better than him. Give me Bismack "Boom or Bust" Biyombo.

I admit, I see some similarities in their skill sets. Am I reading correctly however that you are classifying Kanter as a, "skinny European?". Kanter has cut his weight from 270 to 258, and stated that he wants to build it back up to 270, "the right way". Kanter has great bulk, whether or not you think he has a low ceiling. I personally do not.

I do like Bismack Biyombo however.