Official Trade Thread XVII: 6/29/11 - 1/20 /12

[llcc25]

You've got to quit it with this notion of trading McGee for Scola. Scola is 31 years old. You don't give up potentially a core piece in McGee for a 31 year old. I get the strategy of acquiring veteran help, but you do that with cap room, not by trading your high-potential players.

first off, lets be clear, its not a straight McGee for Scola. its packaging blatche with mcgee for scola and dalembert. we are getting rid of our problem childs (mcgee to a lesser extent) for 2 veteran bigs upgrade or C and PF positions immediatly...They will provide better production and be a better complement to Wall, and our next lotto pick (hopefully Davis). i think it'll be debatable at season's end whether McGee is core piece if the cost is gonna be $10m+. Yes, Scola is 31 yrs old, but he still is hands down better at manning the PF position than Blatche now and for the foreseeable future 2-3 years. Especially if we end up drafting a big (Davis, Thompson, Drummond), i'd like to have the this veteran presence to take pressure off the young rookie coming in. In year 3, Scola comes off the books and hopefully by then our rookie pick from 2012 will be ready for primetime...As to Dalembert, in case you missed the last game where he and scola dominated our front court, I just feel he is more solid and will come cheaper than extending McGee longterm..substance over style for me here...

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[nate33]

I'm down for all of that, nate. I just don't think we can pull it off. Lee is more valuable than that IMO and Charlotte's cupboard is so bare that I think they would rather have two young talents instead one (maybe if they had a better roster they might go for it). I also have no faith that we would get the #1 again, even if we have the worst record.

All valid points. I think that Wall trade is definitely feasible, particularly if Wall finishes the rest of the season looking like he did in the last half of last season.

I agree that the David Lee trade is iffy. There was genuine interest for it when I floated it on the trade board, but RealGM posters tend to disregard the value of a competent big man quicker than an actual general manager would. Golden State might not be so quick to dump Lee for cap relief. If Blatche makes his annual April surge a bit early, maybe it could work out.

[nate33]

You've got to quit it with this notion of trading McGee for Scola. Scola is 31 years old. You don't give up potentially a core piece in McGee for a 31 year old. I get the strategy of acquiring veteran help, but you do that with cap room, not by trading your high-potential players.

first off, lets be clear, its not a straight McGee for Scola. its packaging blatche with mcgee for scola and dalembert. we are getting rid of our problem childs (mcgee to a lesser extent) for 2 veteran bigs upgrade or C and PF positions immediatly...They will provide better production and be a better complement to Wall, and our next lotto pick (hopefully Davis). i think it'll be debatable at season's end whether McGee is core piece if the cost is gonna be $10m+. Yes, Scola is 31 yrs old, but he still is hands down better at manning the PF position than Blatche now and for the foreseeable future 2-3 years. Especially if we end up drafting a big (Davis, Thompson, Drummond), i'd like to have the this veteran presence to take pressure off the young rookie coming in. In year 3, Scola comes off the books and hopefully by then our rookie pick from 2012 will be ready for primetime...As to Dalembert, in case you missed the last game where he and scola dominated our front court, I just feel he is more solid and will come cheaper than extending McGee longterm..substance over style for me here...

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You overrate Dalembert. Dalembert has been nothing more than a serviceable big man (PER in the 14-16 range) for the past 5 years. Suddenly, at the age of 30, he is breaking out and has posted a PER of 22 in 300 minutes this season. My guess is that it's a small sample size fluke and he'll revert to the mean soon enough.

[LyricalRico]

What about Wall+Blatche+filler to HOU for Lowry+Martin+pick? Assuming HOU's pick is a lotto pick, that's darn attractive. McHale would have to see Wall as a franchise player.

No. No. No!

You don't trade Wall for guys that have no superstar potential.

What if we added a McGee-for-Scola swap to the deal? Better?

[llcc25]

You've got to quit it with this notion of trading McGee for Scola. Scola is 31 years old. You don't give up potentially a core piece in McGee for a 31 year old. I get the strategy of acquiring veteran help, but you do that with cap room, not by trading your high-potential players.

first off, lets be clear, its not a straight McGee for Scola. its packaging blatche with mcgee for scola and dalembert. we are getting rid of our problem childs (mcgee to a lesser extent) for 2 veteran bigs upgrade or C and PF positions immediatly...They will provide better production and be a better complement to Wall, and our next lotto pick (hopefully Davis). i think it'll be debatable at season's end whether McGee is core piece if the cost is gonna be $10m+. Yes, Scola is 31 yrs old, but he still is hands down better at manning the PF position than Blatche now and for the foreseeable future 2-3 years. Especially if we end up drafting a big (Davis, Thompson, Drummond), i'd like to have the this veteran presence to take pressure off the young rookie coming in. In year 3, Scola comes off the books and hopefully by then our rookie pick from 2012 will be ready for primetime...As to Dalembert, in case you missed the last game where he and scola dominated our front court, I just feel he is more solid and will come cheaper than extending McGee longterm..substance over style for me here...

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You overrate Dalembert. Dalembert has been nothing more than a serviceable big man (PER in the 14-16 range) for the past 5 years. Suddenly, at the age of 30, he is breaking out and has posted a PER of 22 in 300 minutes this season. My guess is that it's a small sample size fluke and he'll revert to the mean soon enough.

I could say same about you overrating McGee. I'd rather have a serviceable big man at Center than overpay for potential that has yet to be realized in year 4. I'd rather use that $ at more of a sure thing at our other postions of need. I guess i'm more biaed b/c i was at the game and saw a 30 year old serviceable center really outplay a 23 year old freakishly athletic center.

[LyricalRico]

You overrate Dalembert. Dalembert has been nothing more than a serviceable big man (PER in the 14-16 range) for the past 5 years. Suddenly, at the age of 30, he is breaking out and has posted a PER of 22 in 300 minutes this season. My guess is that it's a small sample size fluke and he'll revert to the mean soon enough.

I could say same about you overrating McGee. I'd rather have a serviceable big man at Center than overpay for potential that has yet to be realized in year 4. I'd rather use that $ at more of a sure thing at our other postions of need. I guess i'm more biaed b/c i was at the game and saw a 30 year old serviceable center really outplay a 23 year old freakishly athletic center.

I think you're both right. I'm not particularly interested in Dalembert, but I'm also not married to the thought of McGee being here longterm either. I wouldn't do McGee+Blatche for Scola+Dalembert. But I might do something else in a similar vein.

[Illuminaire]

It's generally a good idea not to base decisions on one game or matchup.

[Illuminaire]

I think you're both right. I'm not particularly interested in Dalembert, but I'm also not married to the thought of McGee being here longterm either. I wouldn't do McGee+Blatche for Scola+Dalembert. But I might do something else in a similar vein.

Only two posters on this board will sell lower than you, Rico... CCJ and your brother Ernie.

[LyricalRico]

I think you're both right. I'm not particularly interested in Dalembert, but I'm also not married to the thought of McGee being here longterm either. I wouldn't do McGee+Blatche for Scola+Dalembert. But I might do something else in a similar vein.

Only two posters on this board will sell lower than you, Rico... CCJ and your brother Ernie.

Never! Rico will not be undersold!

McGee+Blatche+Lewis to GSW for Lee+Biedrins+Wright and their unprotected first?

Boo-yeah!

[nate33]

You overrate Dalembert. Dalembert has been nothing more than a serviceable big man (PER in the 14-16 range) for the past 5 years. Suddenly, at the age of 30, he is breaking out and has posted a PER of 22 in 300 minutes this season. My guess is that it's a small sample size fluke and he'll revert to the mean soon enough.

I could say same about you overrating McGee. I'd rather have a serviceable big man at Center than overpay for potential that has yet to be realized in year 4. I'd rather use that $ at more of a sure thing at our other postions of need. I guess i'm more biaed b/c i was at the game and saw a 30 year old serviceable center really outplay a 23 year old freakishly athletic center.

I can't even believe we are having this argument. This team is clearly looking 2-3 years down the road before they can hope to make any real impact in the playoffs. Why would you trade a guy who will be in his prime at that point for two guys who will be over the hill?

Like I said earlier, I agree that this team needs some veteran help. But you don't trade our high-potential players to get it. You trade Blatche and/or cap room.

[Illuminaire]

I think you're both right. I'm not particularly interested in Dalembert, but I'm also not married to the thought of McGee being here longterm either. I wouldn't do McGee+Blatche for Scola+Dalembert. But I might do something else in a similar vein.

Only two posters on this board will sell lower than you, Rico... CCJ and your brother Ernie.

Never! Rico will not be undersold!

McGee+Blatche+Lewis to GSW for Lee+Biedrins+Wright and their unprotected first?

Boo-yeah!

You forgot to swap Wall and Ellis somehow.

[llcc25]

nate33, don't take it personally...its just me venting w/ frustration as a die-hard wiz fan. at some point all these high potential players that EG drafted (mcgee, seraphin, booker, singleton, vesely) need to produce and contribute to us winning. Don't get me wrong I'd like to keep McGee, but if its gonna take the $10m+ that i'm hearing, I'm just not certain he is the right fit for our long term plans. I'd love to just trade Blatche for a veteran big who can help, but not sure there will be much interest out there until we can atleast add some value added chip to offer. Thats y i thought the Blatche/McGee for Scola/Dalembert was plausible short term and long term. There are probably other comparable deals out there that might be better...

At some point, we need to give our young players which we're committed to keeping (e.g, Wall, Singleton, Vesely) some hope (by winnning of course). We can't keep accumulating high potential players and expect to win. The right mix of proven veterans added to our mix of young players will be necessary.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I think you're both right. I'm not particularly interested in Dalembert, but I'm also not married to the thought of McGee being here longterm either. I wouldn't do McGee+Blatche for Scola+Dalembert. But I might do something else in a similar vein.

Only two posters on this board will sell lower than you, Rico... CCJ and your brother Ernie.

I'm just curious, Illuminaire. When did I sell low?

[Illuminaire]

I'm just joshin' CCJ. I could go back and find a few times, if you really wanted me to; there were a few times you proposed a young-for-old swap or wanted to trade Wall for your latest favorite player.

It's never that the players you want are bad, btw, it's that we could get significantly more than what you propose some of the time.

Again, I was only poking in good fun.

[Illuminaire]

And I should add, exaggerating for the sake of comedy. Except in Rico's case. He's the MASTER of the crazy trade.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I'm just joshin' CCJ. I could go back and find a few times, if you really wanted me to; there were a few times you proposed a young-for-old swap or wanted to trade Wall for your latest favorite player.

It's never that the players you want are bad, btw, it's that we could get significantly more than what you propose some of the time.

Again, I was only poking in good fun.

I'm not offended. I bet you won't find a single Wall trade idea where I didn't get a 2012 1st round and a good player back for Wall.

I think I proposed an old trade involving Odom/Scola, and Kevin Martin around the time the Chris Paul trade went down. Don't remember the PG but I know even with those old guys my idea also returned a first round draft pick, and it got rid of Andray Blatche.

I don't think I sell low, but it's no biggie.

[LyricalRico]

NJ is trying to cut salary before next summer, supposedly offering Morrow or Farmar plus a pick for OJ Mayo (who they would likely renounce for the cap space). I say we offer Young in a similar deal. They didn't say if the pick was a first or second, but even a second would be fine with me. And I'd be fine with either player. Morrow would give us outside shooting, while Farmar would give us a better option behind Wall. They both have identical contracts.

[rockymac52]

NJ is trying to cut salary before next summer, supposedly offering Morrow or Farmar plus a pick for OJ Mayo (who they would likely renounce for the cap space). I say we offer Young in a similar deal. They didn't say if the pick was a first or second, but even a second would be fine with me. And I'd be fine with either player. Morrow would give us outside shooting, while Farmar would give us a better option behind Wall. They both have identical contracts.

If that's true then sign me up! Except Young would have to agree to that trade, and I'm not really sure why he'd do that. Maybe we tell him it's nothing personal, and that we still would like him back next year (if we do), but this way we can acquire another decent player, so it will help the team compete long-term.

I'd also be interested in getting OJ Mayo if that's all it's going to take.

[llcc25]

NJ is trying to cut salary before next summer, supposedly offering Morrow or Farmar plus a pick for OJ Mayo (who they would likely renounce for the cap space). I say we offer Young in a similar deal. They didn't say if the pick was a first or second, but even a second would be fine with me. And I'd be fine with either player. Morrow would give us outside shooting, while Farmar would give us a better option behind Wall. They both have identical contracts.

If this is true, a turiaf, young, and Mack for morrow and farmer work for salary purposes. Nj frees up the approx $8.25m this summer. Wiz get a comprable replacement at sg at only $4m and backup pg at $4.25m. Both come off books after next season. This gives us flexibility to still pursue egordon this year or harden next year.

[nate33]

I'd make a Young for Morrow trade if our goal was to position ourselves for a run at Harden in 2013. Morrow would be the stopgap starting SG next year. I'd wait until the Trade Deadline to pull the trigger though. Young is better than Morrow (mostly on D).

If we'd rather go after Gordon this summer, then forget it.

It probably won't matter. Young wouldn't agree to the trade.