Official 2013 Draft Thread - Part I

[stevemcqueen1]

I do like Burke though. His got NBA ready scoring tools. I like him better than MCW and I think he's quicker and more of a pure PG than Marcus Smart. In one sense, he's probably the best pure PG prospect in the class. Although I would take Smart ahead of him and play him at the PG position because of his larger versatility.

I don't see him as a great fit for the Wizards though. I'd rather use our pick for a forward or a big man than a first guard off the bench type. I'd look for a vet to back up Wall. If he's the BPA, I'd draft him and try and trade him.

[nuposse04]

Why even consider Smart?...truthfully I've only seen a game or two of him, and while he is athletic...he doesn't seem particularly efficient...The stats don't back up the argument for him either. I understand that he's young...he just wreaks of another project guard who won't pay dividends for 2 years or so.

[Dark Faze]

I think ignoring advanced stats would be a mistake.

If you look at advanced stats they've basically told the whole story on a player a vast majority of the time.

Now that's not to say that its a 100% predictor of talent--for example Derrick Williams was a great offensive talent according to advanced stats, but then again there are some excuses for him concerning the NBA level--the Wolves were a bad situation.

Advanced stats said John Wall was just an above average player who could really pass the ball, and that's basically what he is. Advanced stats say Beal is an above average guy all around, and despite us loving him for his IQ, that's basically what he is. Advanced stats say Kyrie Irving was a once in a generation type of offensive talent despite the small sample size. They said the same about Lillard as well.

Statistical analysis has a place in this league.

Based on that the BPA when we pick will likely be Oladipo, his advanced stats are close to Kyrie good on offense with ridiculous defensive impact as well.

We don't have a need for him unfortunately but with those kind of stats I think we have to take him. Worse case scenario of trading Wall for a lottery pick and having Oladipo play combo guard at the 1 is perferrable to passing on an all-star based on need.

[dobrojim]

not much talk of Otto Porter the last page or so

as I mentioned in another thread, he and Oladipo are the guys
I'm hoping we get a chance at AND TAKE (one of the 2).

Porter gives us insurance against Ariza leaving after this year.

Oladipo looked like a total beast in the limited highlights I saw.
Yeah, they were highlights so I shouldn't get too excited. But the
highlights weren't him knocking down shots so much as making plays.
His eff (IIRC) is what is making his YODA score high.

[Ruzious]

I do like Burke though. His got NBA ready scoring tools. I like him better than MCW and I think he's quicker and more of a pure PG than Marcus Smart. In one sense, he's probably the best pure PG prospect in the class. Although I would take Smart ahead of him and play him at the PG position because of his larger versatility.

I don't see him as a great fit for the Wizards though. I'd rather use our pick for a forward or a big man than a first guard off the bench type. I'd look for a vet to back up Wall. If he's the BPA, I'd draft him and try and trade him.

Fair enough. I see your reasoning. And yeah - since we don't have another first rounder in the top 15, there's pretty much no chance the Wiz pick Burke. I do think he is the best value for where he's likely to be picked in the draft. I can see others might consider Olynyk to be the best value, but I question his athleticism/weak frame combo compared to the other bigs in this draft, and he does turn the ball over a lot. When he gets in the game, every team is going to exploit him in pick and rolls and backdowns. Basically, I don't think he can defend in the NBA. But he's a great college scorer who's obviously worked hard to improve from a bad player to a pro prospect.

[Dark Faze]

Porters advanced stats are pretty good also.

Can't go wrong with Porter or Oladipo.

We should stay away from Shabazz.

[dobrojim]

ps - in one very significant way, Deng is WAY different than Jamison.
He can actually play defense!

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Porters advanced stats are pretty good also.

Can't go wrong with Porter or Oladipo.

We should stay away from Shabazz.

I agree, 100%.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

ps - in one very significant way, Deng is WAY different than Jamison.
He can actually play defense!

I thought that just as I reread my post. Yep. Deng does play defense.

[Floater]

Porter/Mbakwa/Seth Curry in the draft. Sign a vet PG that can space the floor and run the team. I'm a happy camper

[SUPERBALLMAN]

The silence on GR3, is it because no one thinks he's any good, or just assumed he won't come out this year?

I do like Burke also, but our top pick has to be a starter, that means a C or F.

Just found out my ESPN on demand has a bunch of college games, like Michigan vs Indiana & Gtown vs Cincinnati, cut down under 25 min just meat & potatoes of each game, pretty cool!

I like him (As I've said, I think he's a better prospect than Hardaway II), but what position is he in the NBA? He's maybe 6'6, and he hasn't played any guard, because his team is stacked at the 2. Not a whole lot has been asked of him. I'd like to see him stay in school and hopefully get a chance to play guard and be the man.

He's a SF. Draftexpress also projects him as a SF. Which is why I am somewhat intrigued by him. You're right he hasn't been asked to do much because he's a freshman on a good team, like Beal was last year. But he's been pretty efficient and good across the board overall. The Wizards IMO are moving forward building on a foundation of the Wall/Beal backcourt. So although I may like someone like Burke for example, it seems to me the Wizards need that 3rd guy to team with them. Considering the Wizards just tried to trade Ariza, finding a SF seems logical. Otto Porter looks like the perfect fit. In fact finding an alternative to Porter is difficult. Most of the good players in this draft are guards. Maybe Noel? But his torn ACL is a question mark, and adds a concern regarding his long term durability (see Greg Oden). Maybe someone like Bennett, or Poythress?

It seems Robinson is expected to stay in school another year. But, nbadraft.net has him going #14. What if Michigan wins the national title, and Robinson has a good tournament?

I'm just alittle surprised about the lack of consideration of Robinson as a possibility for the Wizards. I haven't seen alot, but what I've seen I like. He is on a team with alot of good players, but he still stands out. He looks like a star. He has that potential. Just the eye test... how he looks, how he carries himself, his build, his length, the way he moves. He is just smooth, he can handle, he can pass, he can board, and he's got a nice stroke.

I'd really like some feedback, again I'm not going on much, really just pure eye test. Seems like he's got a good head on his shoulders from what little I've read on him. Plays smart and is an unselfish player. But this team could definitely use a stud 3. They were supposedly interested in Gay, and seem to be looking to upgrade the SF spot. To me GR3 looks to have as much potential as anyone in this draft. He looks like a SF with length and perimeter skills who can shoot, and seems to me like he could be a fit skill wise with Wall.

[Ruzious]

Supe, I wouldn't consider Robinson for the Wiz, because if he does stay at the 3, he's an undersized 3 who really wouldn't stand out in any aspect of the game. He's 6'6 210 and doesn't drive. If he learns to play the 2, he can the physical advantage over his opponents - rather than visa versa. If he stays at the 3, I don't see him as being any more than a backup type.

[hands11]

I watch a lot of Big 10 basketball so I've seen Trey Burke quite a bit this season. The kid is going to be a star imo. Reminds me of Chris Paul but an even better scorer. Just so smooth with the ball and such a great scorer. Great pick and roll player as he just takes apart Big 10 defenses. Without Burke on their team michigan wouldn't be nearly as good. If the Wizards keep up their current tear and play themselves into a late lottery pick I would highly be in favor of drafting Burke then using him at first to back up Wall next year while evaluating both Wall and Burke to see who they want to be their guy. I think Burke would be an absolute steal as a value pick if we ended up selecting in the 8-12 range. What are your thoughts?

They struggled to do anything when they didn't run the offense through him.

Defiantly had some CP3 style to him.

[hands11]

I think ignoring advanced stats would be a mistake.

If you look at advanced stats they've basically told the whole story on a player a vast majority of the time.

Now that's not to say that its a 100% predictor of talent--for example Derrick Williams was a great offensive talent according to advanced stats, but then again there are some excuses for him concerning the NBA level--the Wolves were a bad situation.

Advanced stats said John Wall was just an above average player who could really pass the ball, and that's basically what he is. Advanced stats say Beal is an above average guy all around, and despite us loving him for his IQ, that's basically what he is. Advanced stats say Kyrie Irving was a once in a generation type of offensive talent despite the small sample size. They said the same about Lillard as well.

Statistical analysis has a place in this league.

Based on that the BPA when we pick will likely be Oladipo, his advanced stats are close to Kyrie good on offense with ridiculous defensive impact as well.

We don't have a need for him unfortunately but with those kind of stats I think we have to take him. Worse case scenario of trading Wall for a lottery pick and having Oladipo play combo guard at the 1 is perferrable to passing on an all-star based on need.

Would be tough to not pick him if he was there. Someone else would have to be equally a stand out. Going to be fun to watch March Madness this year.

[Dr Positivity]

My opinions have been different from the regular draft boards so many years in a row, that I'm surprised at how accurately ranked this year looks. Smart, McLemore, Bennett, Len, Oladipo, Zeller should be near the top and looks like they will be. Of course now that I've said that, Bennett and Zeller will get replaced in the top 10 by WCS and Adams or something lol

[SUPERBALLMAN]

Supe, I wouldn't consider Robinson for the Wiz, because if he does stay at the 3, he's an undersized 3 who really wouldn't stand out in any aspect of the game. He's 6'6 210 and doesn't drive. If he learns to play the 2, he can the physical advantage over his opponents - rather than visa versa. If he stays at the 3, I don't see him as being any more than a backup type.

Ok, but Bennett is 6'7"; 239 lbs. and he's a PF. Plus GR3 just turned 19, it's possible he could still end up a bit taller, but will at least certainly fill out more. A comparable SF from the day could be Glen Rice who was 6'7"; 215 lbs.

Here's some supporting evidence:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNByX1IP90g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EckfeZuVlzc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=df_tQnxLXH4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oRGFAVw7-E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-YV7S8s ... sults_main


Again, I'm not full out saying Wizards should draft this guy. I'm liking Otto Porter, I'd love a Porter/Withey draft. But depending on where they end up picking, and if Porter is even available to them, what do they do? Who would be the SF rated behind Porter? Could GR3 be another Beal, a freshman who doesn't really step up until the end of the year? Just someone worth keeping our eye on IMO.

[Knighthonor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLKl98IkCWg

this Otto guy is good. But perhaps not enough to run the playoffs.
but not sure how a Big would fit into the Wizards ether. He would compete with Nene and Oka who both been top of their game.

[Ruzious]

Supe, I looked at the 1st 2 videos you linked. The first was a workout video. The second one was highlights mainly of Burke feeding him for easy dunks. Everyone in the NBA can dunk. Glen Rice - who was bigger than Robinson - made it in the NBA because he was regarded as a great pure shooter. Sure, there are some players Robinson's size who excell at forward in the NBA and it's not impossible that he does, but I think his chances are small at excelling there and would be much better if he converts to guard. Just my opinion.

[Nivek]

Glenn Robinson III rates as a late lotto or mid-first round pick, pending measurements, etc. He's extremely efficient, and his 2pt% is excellent (64%), but he's also very low usage and doesn't have a good FT%. His 3pt accuracy is acceptable. His other stats -- rebounds, assists, steals, blocks -- are kinda meh. Best things about him are the 2pt% and low turnovers.

[Nivek]

Someone mentioned Kenny Kadji somewhere on the board. In YODA, he's solidly in "don't draft" territory. Bad efficiency, subpar rebounding, and he's an older prospect to boot. Decent 3pt shooter, but that's about it.