Grunfeld a Great GM. Proves Doubters Wrong

[FAH1223]

What I have noticed is this. Since Ted took over, EG seems to have drafted better personality/minds as players. He has also acquired them. And they mostly seems to all be able to play defense. Hard workers. Smart. Dedicated.

Wall, Beal, Otto are of a different mold then Gil, Nick and McGee.

Kevin I think is a good kid, but he is to friendly. He needs an edge he doesn't seem to have.

Ves was a smart player. I just think he ran into a terrible situation changing countries, positions, benching, etc. and they got him into a huge funk. He lost his mojo. Not even Austin Power could survive that.

Singleton ? Not sure how to label him. I think he thought he was better then he was. Again, lost his mojo getting benched. It happened to some degree to all three of those players. It was to much youthful development players at once.

Excuses, excuses, excuses.

You always have one for EG's failures. The bottom line is that EG has had 7 1st round picks and 6 2nd round picks in the last 5 years of the rebuild. 4 of those 6 1st rounders were in the top 6. He drafted two no-brainers (Wall and Beal). He crapped the bed with his Vesely pick. And Porter remains an unknown who played just 319 minutes in his rookie year. He also blew the #18 pick on Singleton and the #15 on Seraphin. His only real upside success was packaging the #30 with a 2nd rounder to land Booker.

In the 2nd round, he has been even worse. He drafted N'Diaye, Mack and Satoransky who have all done diddly as Wizards. He sold what could have been the Blair pick for cash. He sold this year's pick for cash. The only 2nd round player who might be remotely useful is Rice, and that remains to be seen.

So again, 13 overall picks. 3 of them were in the top 3 which should be sure-fire 100% successful players and he's only 2 for 3 (Porter is yet to be determined). And in his other 10 picks, he's had only one true success in Booker, plus one possible success in Rice. Everything else is failure. Stop making excuses for him.

Ernie must still go!

[Dat2U]

Two positive signings today from the E-man.

I thought I'd bump this to the top of the page to let EG (and Millie) bask in the sunlight.

Ernie, you're having a hell of a week.

Agreed! I have to say, the last 0.0017% of EG's reign as GM has really been quite impressive.

Yep, and watch how one good week makes everyone forget the past decade. Hands11 is already serving unthawed crow, Lyrical has dropping happy emoticons everywhere and Millillee is probably dancing in DC streets in his University of Tennessee Grunfeld throwback jersey... who needs to wait for actual results when we can celebrate our off season championship right now!

[jmrosenth]

Any GM that has twice signed Laron Profit and signed Michael Ruffin will forever have my undying loyalty.

[jmrosenth]

Two positive signings today from the E-man.

I thought I'd bump this to the top of the page to let EG (and Millie) bask in the sunlight.

Ernie, you're having a hell of a week.

Agreed! I have to say, the last 0.0017% of EG's reign as GM has really been quite impressive.

Yep, and watch how one good week makes everyone forget the past decade. Hands11 is already serving unthawed crow, Lyrical has dropping happy emoticons everywhere and Millillee is probably dancing in DC streets in his University of Tennessee Grunfeld throwback jersey... who needs to wait for actual results when we can celebrate our off season championship right now!

Let's put this it this way. Grunfeld has set expectations for his job performance so low that basically anything that isn't viewed as a total screw up looks better than it really is. If we were fans of SA or OKC we'd be a lot more lukewarm on a lot of these recent moves, but because this is Grunfeld, they look JerryWestian.

[TGW]

Agreed! I have to say, the last 0.0017% of EG's reign as GM has really been quite impressive.

Yep, and watch how one good week makes everyone forget the past decade. Hands11 is already serving unthawed crow, Lyrical has dropping happy emoticons everywhere and Millillee is probably dancing in DC streets in his University of Tennessee Grunfeld throwback jersey... who needs to wait for actual results when we can celebrate our off season championship right now!

Let's put this it this way. Grunfeld has set expectations for his job performance so low that basically anything that isn't viewed as a total screw up looks better than it really is. If we were fans of SA or OKC we'd be a lot more lukewarm on a lot of these recent moves, but because this is Grunfeld, they look JerryWestian.

This week has been equivalent to a homeless man finding an uneaten burger in the garbage.

The fact that people are going nuts over signing Kris Humphries, a clear benchwarmer, and a 37 year old Pierce in the teilight of his career just tells you how low this franchise is.

You're exactly right JRo...a good franchise would consider these moves as bench depth. The Grunfeld cheerleaders are acting like the Wizards just added the missing pieces to the 'ship.

[hands11]

What I have noticed is this. Since Ted took over, EG seems to have drafted better personality/minds as players. He has also acquired them. And they mostly seems to all be able to play defense. Hard workers. Smart. Dedicated.

Wall, Beal, Otto are of a different mold then Gil, Nick and McGee.

Kevin I think is a good kid, but he is to friendly. He needs an edge he doesn't seem to have.

Ves was a smart player. I just think he ran into a terrible situation changing countries, positions, benching, etc. and they got him into a huge funk. He lost his mojo. Not even Austin Power could survive that.

Singleton ? Not sure how to label him. I think he thought he was better then he was. Again, lost his mojo getting benched. It happened to some degree to all three of those players. It was to much youthful development players at once.

Excuses, excuses, excuses.

You always have one for EG's failures. The bottom line is that EG has had 7 1st round picks and 6 2nd round picks in the last 5 years of the rebuild. 4 of those 6 1st rounders were in the top 6. He drafted two no-brainers (Wall and Beal). He crapped the bed with his Vesely pick. And Porter remains an unknown who played just 319 minutes in his rookie year. He also blew the #18 pick on Singleton and the #15 on Seraphin. His only real upside success was packaging the #30 with a 2nd rounder to land Booker.

In the 2nd round, he has been even worse. He drafted N'Diaye, Mack and Satoransky who have all done diddly as Wizards. He sold what could have been the Blair pick for cash. He sold this year's pick for cash. The only 2nd round player who might be remotely useful is Rice, and that remains to be seen.

So again, 13 overall picks. 3 of them were in the top 3 which should be sure-fire 100% successful players and he's only 2 for 3 (Porter is yet to be determined). And in his other 10 picks, he's had only one true success in Booker, plus one possible success in Rice. Everything else is failure. Stop making excuses for him.

Just focusing on different facts Nate. Explanations of facts are not excuses.

You can break it down how you have using your select facts and opinions of them. I can break it down how I did using my facts and opinions. Then we evaluate whos facts and opinions are more valid.

You know I haven't agreed with all his picks or moves. I have said that countless times. But like them all or not. Efficient or not. They did get from dead owner, gun gate and the worst contract in the league to where they were last year and where it looks like they are headed this year. And doing that in 4 years is a reasonable amount of time.

Its clearly wasn't going to happen in one year or two. Not with where they started from. Abe dieing wasn't on EG. Gungate wasn't on him either. All that leaves is the worst contract in the league and we aren't going to agree on that point because we haven't you and we laid out the facts there. I say that was clearly Abe. Abe decided. That's what owner do. They decide who get their money when its a max contract. Just like Ted decided Wall would get his max contract. If Ted didn't want to pay Wall that, he would tell Ernie to find a way to trade him.

So hey.. Lets have an honest debate. Calling fact excuses is not having an honest debate.

What you just outlined does prove something though. It proves that you can tank, pick a couple of top draft picks right and miss on a lot of other ones and still be able to rebuild your team in 4 years and still have yourself set up to land the big fish moving forward. There is no denying that their plan to get to the playoffs the way they did last year is paying off regard attracting players this year. And at far prices now. No over paying or extra unwanted years. That is the dividend of last years success.

[closg00]

Let's put this it this way. Grunfeld has set expectations for his job performance so low that basically anything that isn't viewed as a total screw up looks better than it really is. If we were fans of SA or OKC we'd be a lot more lukewarm on a lot of these recent moves, but because this is Grunfeld, they look JerryWestian.

[hands11]

Yep, and watch how one good week makes everyone forget the past decade. Hands11 is already serving unthawed crow, Lyrical has dropping happy emoticons everywhere and Millillee is probably dancing in DC streets in his University of Tennessee Grunfeld throwback jersey... who needs to wait for actual results when we can celebrate our off season championship right now!

Let's put this it this way. Grunfeld has set expectations for his job performance so low that basically anything that isn't viewed as a total screw up looks better than it really is. If we were fans of SA or OKC we'd be a lot more lukewarm on a lot of these recent moves, but because this is Grunfeld, they look JerryWestian.

This week has been equivalent to a homeless man finding an uneaten burger in the garbage.

The fact that people are going nuts over signing Kris Humphries, a clear benchwarmer, and a 37 year old Pierce in the teilight of his career just tells you how low this franchise is.

You're exactly right JRo...a good franchise would consider these moves as bench depth. The Grunfeld cheerleaders are acting like the Wizards just added the missing pieces to the 'ship.

So you use poor limited framing and then say, wow, how can any one say he is doing well give my poor framing and limited supporting facts.

How about a more complete honest framing. One that involve the important stuff like cap management and setting the team up for targeting KD in 2016. One that explains why TA and Booker were let go for PP and Humpries. What money they got else where compared to what we signed our new players for and for how long. One that explains the things PP brings, not just his age. PP is a first ballet HOF player. Its like MIA adding Ray Allen. PP is a clutch buzzer beater player and we didn't have one. Yes he is older then TA but Otto is younger and can dribble better.

Your over simplest framing is not a comprehensive one and you know it. Which makes it a dishonest one which you only do for the purpose on slamming the GM and the team you claim to be a fan of. Of which I am not sure you are being honest about that either because it hard for me to understand someone being a fan and not admitting to obvious progress and enjoying the more hopeful projection of the team. Sounds more like someone trolling the board.

[fishercob]

Not an Ernie fan and would like him replaced.

BUT

getting the Ariza TPE was really smart and well-executed.

We have lost Ariza, Booker, Seraphin and replaced them with Pierce, Hump and Blair. Without that TPE we'd be in much worse shape.

[tontoz]

Not an Ernie fan and would like him replaced.

BUT

getting the Ariza TPE was really smart and well-executed.

We have lost Ariza, Booker, Seraphin and replaced them with Pierce, Hump and Blair. Without that TPE we'd be in much worse shape.

Pretty sure we haven't lost KS yet. I agree that getting the TPE was a big help. My guess is that we wouldn't have gotten it if the other teams involved were in the east.

[Severn Hoos]

Next stop on the Ernie Parade of Awesomeness:

Convince another team to make an offer for Seraphin.
Agree to a Sign & Trade for a 2nd round pick.
Collect another TPE for future use.

Everything is Awesome!

[milellie111]

Two positive signings today from the E-man.

I thought I'd bump this to the top of the page to let EG (and Millie) bask in the sunlight.

Ernie, you're having a hell of a week.

Agreed! I have to say, the last 0.0017% of EG's reign as GM has really been quite impressive.

Yep, and watch how one good week makes everyone forget the past decade. Hands11 is already serving unthawed crow, Lyrical has dropping happy emoticons everywhere and Millillee is probably dancing in DC streets in his University of Tennessee Grunfeld throwback jersey... who needs to wait for actual results when we can celebrate our off season championship right now!

One week?

So I guess you've missed a whole year of competitive playoff Wizards basketball, Nene/Gortat/Ariza/Gooden aquisitions and John Wall/Bradley Beal drafts.

[cdouglas]

Ted's impressed so you might as well get use to Ernie being with the Wiz until he's ready to retire.

[milellie111]

Yep, and watch how one good week makes everyone forget the past decade. Hands11 is already serving unthawed crow, Lyrical has dropping happy emoticons everywhere and Millillee is probably dancing in DC streets in his University of Tennessee Grunfeld throwback jersey... who needs to wait for actual results when we can celebrate our off season championship right now!

Let's put this it this way. Grunfeld has set expectations for his job performance so low that basically anything that isn't viewed as a total screw up looks better than it really is. If we were fans of SA or OKC we'd be a lot more lukewarm on a lot of these recent moves, but because this is Grunfeld, they look JerryWestian.

This week has been equivalent to a homeless man finding an uneaten burger in the garbage.

The fact that people are going nuts over signing Kris Humphries, a clear benchwarmer, and a 37 year old Pierce in the teilight of his career just tells you how low this franchise is.

You're exactly right JRo...a good franchise would consider these moves as bench depth. The Grunfeld cheerleaders are acting like the Wizards just added the missing pieces to the 'ship.

A homeless man is desperate and eats whatever he finds. Grunfeld has control, is not desperate and is not just signing anyone who's out there.If he was desperate, he would have overpayed Ariza. However, like a good businessman he let him walk while having other options lined up.

What is so exciting is not necessarily who we're getting, but the price we are getting them at and the fact we aren't giving up much at all. Pierce, Humphries, and Blair are worth more than what their contracts will be here. It's like going to Nordstrom Rack and finding a pair of quality Italian leather shoes marked down 50% off. Yes, you're excited about the shoes, but more excited you got a steal.

[pineappleheadindc]

Ted's impressed so you might as well get use to Ernie being with the Wiz until he's ready to retire.

LOL - cdouglas is just baiting a bunch of guys on this board. (Though she's tough, she can handle it).

Her original post, above, is, to those who hate EG, similar to when Nene just pushes Noah to the floor and walks away. Well played, cdouglas.

:puts on personal flak jacket:

[milellie111]

Agreed! I have to say, the last 0.0017% of EG's reign as GM has really been quite impressive.

Yep, and watch how one good week makes everyone forget the past decade. Hands11 is already serving unthawed crow, Lyrical has dropping happy emoticons everywhere and Millillee is probably dancing in DC streets in his University of Tennessee Grunfeld throwback jersey... who needs to wait for actual results when we can celebrate our off season championship right now!

Let's put this it this way. Grunfeld has set expectations for his job performance so low that basically anything that isn't viewed as a total screw up looks better than it really is. If we were fans of SA or OKC we'd be a lot more lukewarm on a lot of these recent moves, but because this is Grunfeld, they look JerryWestian.

A GM is only as good as his owner. It should have been apparent that Ted is allowing Ernie Grunfeld to maximize his abilities that were hindered by Pollin.

[DCZards]

Ted's impressed so you might as well get use to Ernie being with the Wiz until he's ready to retire.

Judging by the comments on this board, Ted is not the only one impressed by the moves that EG has made the last couple of weeks. Even some of EG's biggest detractors have been giving him props.

[Brenice]

Why are so many Wizard fans mad right now? The only fans more upset than some of these Wizard fans are Heat fans.

[jmrosenth]

Yep, and watch how one good week makes everyone forget the past decade. Hands11 is already serving unthawed crow, Lyrical has dropping happy emoticons everywhere and Millillee is probably dancing in DC streets in his University of Tennessee Grunfeld throwback jersey... who needs to wait for actual results when we can celebrate our off season championship right now!

Let's put this it this way. Grunfeld has set expectations for his job performance so low that basically anything that isn't viewed as a total screw up looks better than it really is. If we were fans of SA or OKC we'd be a lot more lukewarm on a lot of these recent moves, but because this is Grunfeld, they look JerryWestian.

A GM is only as good as his owner. It should have been apparent that Ted is allowing Ernie Grunfeld to maximize his abilities that were hindered by Pollin.

Dude has been dead 5 years so settle down, seriously. If you have proof that all of Ernie's blunders pre-Leonsis (never mind during Leonsis) were due to Abe's meddling, by all means, continue with the conjecture. But until then let the guy who brought DC a franchise, and was a major reason for the city's revitalization, rest in peace.

[montestewart]

Not to mention four finals appearances and one NBA championship.