Official Trade Thread XIV: 6/14/10 - 12/22/10

[nate33]

Good grief, BannndNDC! Patterson has only played 7 minutes this entire season on a bad Houston team that has no starting-caliber big man on the roster except Scola. I fail to see how he is worth Andray Blatche.

I have my doubts about Blatche, but I wouldn't just give him away like that. Blatche is a sure bet to pan out as a decent starter or a high quality backup big man. There is little indication that Patterson will be a better player at any point in his career.

[LyricalRico]

Blatche+Yi to Phoenix for Warrick+Childress+first?

McGee/Armstrong/Seraphin
Lewis/Warrick/Booker
Howard/Thornton
Young/Childress
Wall/Hinrich

If the pick is an unprotected PHX pick and not the pick they just got from ORL, I might do it.

[AceDegenerate]

As far as I'm concerned, Josh Howard should be the next player to go. Between now and the trade deadline, he's our most valuable asset; assuming he stays healthy. He also has no place on this team as I really don't want to watch Shart playing the 4.

The team has some glaring holes everywhere except at the 1, and I would probably move Howard to any contender willing to throw a pick, or short-term project on our way.

[nate33]

WTF people?

Why are we just giving away Blatche? You guys realize that he's only only big man with any semblance of an offensive game, don't you? Warrick is garbage unless Nash is feeding him the ball.

I'm actually looking forward to watching Blatche play alongside Howard and Rashard. Blatche's ability to hit from 18-feet should open up some slashing lanes for Howard and some post up opportunities for Rashard. Blatche has been much better lately about being active on defense and on the glass. He had 12 boards and 4 steals last night.

[BanndNDC]

Good grief, BannndNDC! Patterson has only played 7 minutes this entire season on a bad Houston team that has no starting-caliber big man on the roster except Scola. I fail to see how he is worth Andray Blatche.

I have my doubts about Blatche, but I wouldn't just give him away like that. Blatche is a sure bet to pan out as a decent starter or a high quality backup big man. There is little indication that Patterson will be a better player at any point in his career.

Better than the finesse tweener big, overpaid dime a dozen wing, or athletic low IQ player Grunfeld will trade him for soon enough. My assumption is that EG will trade Blatche low for someboody we don't want/need. Might as well trade him low for somebody we might want/need and ensure we tank. MIght as well start completely over. Attendance and competitiveness for the next 2 years are already scratched. Might as well trade him for somebody that might be better than booker in 3 years.

[nate33]

As far as I'm concerned, Josh Howard should be the next player to go. Between now and the trade deadline, he's our most valuable asset; assuming he stays healthy. He also has no place on this team as I really don't want to watch Shart playing the 4.

The team has some glaring holes everywhere except at the 1, and I would probably move Howard to any contender willing to throw a pick, or short-term project on our way.

I think Howard has a place on this team. From what we know so far, Howard has been a good leader in the locker room. A team needs a few players like that, as long as they're not killing the cap space. I kinda like the idea of going with a youth movement but keeping Hinrich and Howard around as hard-working veterans who set the tone. I also like how Howard's rebounding should help offset the poor rebounding of our starting bigs.

I'm not opposed to trading Howard if we get something pretty good in return, but I wouldn't go out of my way to try and trade him as some sort of addition by subtraction strategy - at least not until the Trade Deadline.

[nuposse04]

People are gettin impatient here...AB has his problems, but they are amendable. Why trade howard, from what I saw against the Heat, he is ALREADY a better option than Thornton. AL+Yi for a pg is the play we need to make. When Josh is fully ready to go, we could also go with a very big lineup of

Wall
josh
lewis
AB
mcgee.

with young being our six man..

Although...not sure how howard would do at the 2, but hey what the hell, might as well try? Lewis at the 3 frightens me the most though.

[nate33]

Good grief, BannndNDC! Patterson has only played 7 minutes this entire season on a bad Houston team that has no starting-caliber big man on the roster except Scola. I fail to see how he is worth Andray Blatche.

I have my doubts about Blatche, but I wouldn't just give him away like that. Blatche is a sure bet to pan out as a decent starter or a high quality backup big man. There is little indication that Patterson will be a better player at any point in his career.

Better than the finesse tweener big, overpaid dime a dozen wing, or athletic low IQ player Grunfeld will trade him for soon enough. My assumption is that EG will trade Blatche low for someboody we don't want/need. Might as well trade him low for somebody we might want/need and ensure we tank. MIght as well start completely over. Attendance and competitiveness for the next 2 years are already scratched. Might as well trade him for somebody that might be better than booker in 3 years.

Sigh. Another meladramatic Arenas-trade hater.

I like Arenas too, but I don't understand how trading Arenas for Lewis is a sign that we've radically shifted strategies and have now decided to tank for 2 years. We weren't exactly competitive with Arenas on the roster either but you weren't calling for a Blatche trade then. As long as Wall comes back, I honestly don't think the trade hurts us on the floor all that much. Lewis is about as good as Arenas was (the one-foot-out-the-door Arenas stuck playing out-of-position at 2-guard, that is).

[nuposse04]

Good grief, BannndNDC! Patterson has only played 7 minutes this entire season on a bad Houston team that has no starting-caliber big man on the roster except Scola. I fail to see how he is worth Andray Blatche.

I have my doubts about Blatche, but I wouldn't just give him away like that. Blatche is a sure bet to pan out as a decent starter or a high quality backup big man. There is little indication that Patterson will be a better player at any point in his career.

Better than the finesse tweener big, overpaid dime a dozen wing, or athletic low IQ player Grunfeld will trade him for soon enough. My assumption is that EG will trade Blatche low for someboody we don't want/need. Might as well trade him low for somebody we might want/need and ensure we tank. MIght as well start completely over. Attendance and competitiveness for the next 2 years are already scratched. Might as well trade him for somebody that might be better than booker in 3 years.

AB isn't a tweener, he's a pure 4. He is not overpaid either, and Young isn't a dime a dozen so far this year. Your logic here is that EG will just screw up anyways so might as well get this? Thats terrible reasoning. Booker might be better than patterson in 3 years anyways.

[AceDegenerate]

I just think this team is terrible, and I thought we decided Wins are not going to help anything right now. There is glaring weaknesses all around talent-wise, and I have not come up with an exact deal yet but looking at the roster it seems Josh Howard could return the most value in a trade without giving up on our own projects (McGee, Blatche, Booker, Seraphin).

I'd just like to make some kind of trade that the Wizards actually come out on the better side of for once. Josh Howard to one of the contenders for a player they have no patience for, or a pick - would seem to be more valuable to the rebuilding process than whatever he is offering in the locker room.

[nate33]

I just think this team is terrible, and I thought we decided Wins are not going to help anything right now. There is glaring weaknesses all around talent-wise, and I have not come up with an exact deal yet but looking at the roster it seems Josh Howard could return the most value in a trade without giving up on our own projects (McGee, Blatche, Booker, Seraphin).

I'd just like to make some kind of trade that the Wizards actually come out on the better side of for once. Josh Howard to one of the contenders for a player they have no patience for, or a pick - would seem to be more valuable to the rebuilding process than whatever he is offering in the locker room.

It's a fair point. For a bad team like us, there's certainly logic in dumping our decent vets for youth and picks. I personally think that one should only push that strategy so far, however. It's real difficult to survive in this league with nothing but sub-25-year olds. You need a few vets or else you just establish a losing mentality. I like Howard as one of those guys. He seems to have the right make-up for it.

At this point, I think this team might gain as much by winning a few games as they would by tanking and landing a top pick. I'd rather finish with 32 wins and the #6 pick, than 16 wins and the #2 pick.

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

I just think this team is terrible, and I thought we decided Wins are not going to help anything right now. There is glaring weaknesses all around talent-wise, and I have not come up with an exact deal yet but looking at the roster it seems Josh Howard could return the most value in a trade without giving up on our own projects (McGee, Blatche, Booker, Seraphin).

I'd just like to make some kind of trade that the Wizards actually come out on the better side of for once. Josh Howard to one of the contenders for a player they have no patience for, or a pick - would seem to be more valuable to the rebuilding process than whatever he is offering in the locker room.

It's a fair point. For a bad team like us, there's certainly logic in dumping our decent vets for youth and picks. I personally think that one should only push that strategy so far, however. It's real difficult to survive in this league with nothing but sub-25-year olds. You need a few vets or else you just establish a losing mentality. I like Howard as one of those guys. He seems to have the right make-up for it.

At this point, I think this team might gain as much by winning a few games as they would by tanking and landing a top pick. I'd rather finish with 32 wins and the #6 pick, than 16 wins and the #2 pick.

I'd prefer the 37 win, just sneak in as the 8th seed, option and the 15th pick.

Getting to the playoffs pays enormous dividends in this league that translates to wins... from getting refs' respect, to attracting free agents.

What's that mean? We'd have to go about 31-25 from here on in... not out of the realm of possibility if Wall can get healthy.

Of course, despite my screen name, I'm really a ridiculous optimist... ridiculous because, as a Washington sports fan, year after year I still believe this will be the year.

[tontoz]

Howard may well be worth resigning so i don't see much logic in trading him. He can play both ends, rebound and has a good BBall IQ which this team badly needs. He isn't old either and his skill based game will probably age well.

Wall/Young/Howard looks like a good starting combo to me.

[BanndNDC]

I like Arenas too, but I don't understand how trading Arenas for Lewis is a sign that we've radically shifted strategies and have now decided to tank for 2 years. We weren't exactly competitive with Arenas on the roster either but you weren't calling for a Blatche trade then. As long as Wall comes back, I honestly don't think the trade hurts us on the floor all that much. Lewis is about as good as Arenas was (the one-foot-out-the-door Arenas stuck playing out-of-position at 2-guard, that is).

nothing has changed except for confirmation that grunfeld is a liability who consistently lowballs on trades and is obsessed with certain types of players namely low IQ athletes, projects and finesse bigs. i cant shake the feeling that blatche is the next player out the door and i think we're stuck with grunfeld.

keeping blacthe would be better if we can turn him into a center since there dont seem to be any center prospects in the top 5 for the next two years. but whether he's willing to put in that work/effort is a question.

ive been in favor of a blatche trade all year, not because i dont like him as a player but because i thought he was our best trade asset. id rather trade booker but i assume he's untradeable (in management's mind) since he's a prospect and we have nothing else to trade. booker and a 2nd round swap for patterson is what i would prefer and think is fair.

[nate33]

i cant shake the feeling that blatche is the next player out the door and i think we're stuck with grunfeld.

I don't get that vibe at all. I get the feeling that Flip really likes Blatche. He certainly plays Blatche as much as possibly can. Blatche averages 35 minutes a game which is a lot for a big man, and Blatche has been hobbled. Heck, Flip has played him 40+ minutes in 3 of the last 4 games. I think Blatche is the only big man on the roster that Flip trusts. I think they'd trade McGee before Blatche.

[AceDegenerate]

Wall is out for the forseeable future. This team is realistically competing for the #1 pick, no getting around that. Does anyone think the game VS. Miami is any different than the game earlier this season VS. Orlando? The team went on to lose plenty more games despite falling just short of beating one of the leagues hottest teams then too. The team has not turned any corner despite what the owner might try to tell you; as he's desperate to fill empty seats.

Time to settle in for the looooooong haul.

Getting to the playoffs pays enormous dividends in this league that translates to wins... from getting refs' respect, to attracting free agents.

What's that mean? We'd have to go about 31-25 from here on in... not out of the realm of possibility if Wall can get healthy.

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[verbal8]

People are gettin impatient here...AB has his problems, but they are amendable. Why trade howard, from what I saw against the Heat, he is ALREADY a better option than Thornton. AL+Yi for a pg is the play we need to make. When Josh is fully ready to go, we could also go with a very big lineup of

Wall
josh
lewis
AB
mcgee.

with young being our six man..

Although...not sure how howard would do at the 2, but hey what the hell, might as well try? Lewis at the 3 frightens me the most though.

I think in the near future

Hinrich
Howard
Lewis
AB/Booker
McGee

1st off the bench: Young

I think the size of Howard and Lewis would help compensate for the bigs rebounding. On offense Howard and McGee should attack the basket while the rest of the players keep the defense honest. It of course looks a lot better with Wall at point and attacking the basket.

[nate33]

People are gettin impatient here...AB has his problems, but they are amendable. Why trade howard, from what I saw against the Heat, he is ALREADY a better option than Thornton. AL+Yi for a pg is the play we need to make. When Josh is fully ready to go, we could also go with a very big lineup of

Wall
josh
lewis
AB
mcgee.

with young being our six man..

Although...not sure how howard would do at the 2, but hey what the hell, might as well try? Lewis at the 3 frightens me the most though.

I think in the near future

Hinrich
Howard
Lewis
AB/Booker
McGee

1st off the bench: Young

I think the size of Howard and Lewis would help compensate for the bigs rebounding. On offense Howard and McGee should attack the basket while the rest of the players keep the defense honest. It of course looks a lot better with Wall at point and attacking the basket.

Howard isn't a SG. If Howard could play the 2, he'd have done so in Dallas and they wouldn't have looked to trade him for Butler (whom they thought could play the 2 as well). Nick Young is right now a better player at SG than Josh Howard.

If Young goes back to coming off the bench, it'll only be after Wall comes back. And even then, I'm not so sure that Flip would start Hinrich given the way Young is playing.

[LyricalRico]

WTF people?

Why are we just giving away Blatche?

Because it's fun!

[queridiculo]

WTF people?

Why are we just giving away Blatche?

Because it's fun!

That, or maybe because it's Christmas