Official Trade Thread XVII: 6/29/11 - 1/20 /12

[llcc25]

I'd make a Young for Morrow trade if our goal was to position ourselves for a run at Harden in 2013. Morrow would be the stopgap starting SG next year. I'd wait until the Trade Deadline to pull the trigger though. Young is better than Morrow (mostly on D).

If we'd rather go after Gordon this summer, then forget it.

It probably won't matter. Young wouldn't agree to the trade.

Worth a shot. I'd say even if we plan on pursuing Gordon this summer, morrow is IMO a better 3rd guard than Crawford. And his stats first 3 years compare favorably to young. If we shore up our front court this summer, having wall on break or half court set dishing out to morrow and Gordon on both wings next year could be exciting. And if Morrow don't work out he is only on our books for 1 year.

[jivelikenice]

I don't want to trade Crawford yet. He's played a lot more under control the last two games and I'd like to see if he can continue to play more efficient ball and grow into this 3rd guard role.

[nate33]

I don't want to trade Crawford yet. He's played a lot more under control the last two games and I'd like to see if he can continue to play more efficient ball and grow into this 3rd guard role.

I'd use any uptick in his game to trade him for anything of value.

[jivelikenice]

I don't want to trade Crawford yet. He's played a lot more under control the last two games and I'd like to see if he can continue to play more efficient ball and grow into this 3rd guard role.

I'd use any uptick in his game to trade him for anything of value.

That's the thing. 2 games of solid ball isn't enough to bring up his value most so you might as well see if he can maintain this more efficient and smarter brand of basketball he's displayed the last two games. its not like he has a big deal so why rush into a deal with him?

[mhd]

A "sell high" on McGee trade idea:

Wiz trade Turiaf+McGee+Crawford for Derrick Williams+Drew Gooden
Minny trades Derrick Williams+Wes Johnson+Martell Webster for Bogut+Jordan Crawford
Bucks trade Bogut+Gooden for Wes Johnson+McGee+Webster+Turiaf (expiring)

Bucks clear off longterm salary committments to Bogut and Gooden for McGee and Wes Johnson
Minny wants to win now and show Love they are committed to it. They put Beasley at SF and still have Ellington and Barea to man to SG position.
Wiz decide on not extending McGee and give the SF position to Williams for the next 8-10 years.

[Ruzious]

I don't want to trade Crawford yet. He's played a lot more under control the last two games and I'd like to see if he can continue to play more efficient ball and grow into this 3rd guard role.

I'd use any uptick in his game to trade him for anything of value.

That's the thing. 2 games of solid ball isn't enough to bring up his value most so you might as well see if he can maintain this more efficient and smarter brand of basketball he's displayed the last two games. its not like he has a big deal so why rush into a deal with him?

I was thinking the same thing. What's the point in trying to trade him when he has minimal trade value and has a small contract. We got him for basically nothing, and he's put up very inefficient stats here, so it's really not likely he's improved his trade value to anything substantial.

[leswizards]

I'd make a Young for Morrow trade if our goal was to position ourselves for a run at Harden in 2013. Morrow would be the stopgap starting SG next year. I'd wait until the Trade Deadline to pull the trigger though. Young is better than Morrow (mostly on D).

If we'd rather go after Gordon this summer, then forget it.

It probably won't matter. Young wouldn't agree to the trade.

Young wouldn't agree to that trade? Or any trade in general?

Young only loses his bird rights if he gets traded, correct? If that is true, since only the Wizards can use the bird rights, Nick really doesn't lose anything by getting traded if the Wizards have decided that Nick is not in their long term plans and are unlikely to ever use the bird rights.

I am a Nick Young fan, but I have come to believe it is time for the Wizards to move on without him, and I am wondering if the Wizards will be able to trade him before the deadline.

[verbal8]

A "sell high" on McGee trade idea:

Wiz trade Turiaf+McGee+Crawford for Derrick Williams+Drew Gooden
Minny trades Derrick Williams+Wes Johnson+Martell Webster for Bogut+Jordan Crawford
Bucks trade Bogut+Gooden for Wes Johnson+McGee+Webster+Turiaf (expiring)

Bucks clear off longterm salary committments to Bogut and Gooden for McGee and Wes Johnson
Minny wants to win now and show Love they are committed to it. They put Beasley at SF and still have Ellington and Barea to man to SG position.
Wiz decide on not extending McGee and give the SF position to Williams for the next 8-10 years.

Kahn is a bad GM, but this is awful for Minnesota.

[Ruzious]

A "sell high" on McGee trade idea:

Wiz trade Turiaf+McGee+Crawford for Derrick Williams+Drew Gooden
Minny trades Derrick Williams+Wes Johnson+Martell Webster for Bogut+Jordan Crawford
Bucks trade Bogut+Gooden for Wes Johnson+McGee+Webster+Turiaf (expiring)

Bucks clear off longterm salary committments to Bogut and Gooden for McGee and Wes Johnson
Minny wants to win now and show Love they are committed to it. They put Beasley at SF and still have Ellington and Barea to man to SG position.
Wiz decide on not extending McGee and give the SF position to Williams for the next 8-10 years.

Kahn is a bad GM, but this is awful for Minnesota.

Minny ends up with Love, Bogut, Rubio, and Ridnour - best white guy quartet since The Beatles.

[Severn Hoos]

Hey - what about Rex, Googs, American Pie, and Georgie? Not to mention our own Pete Best (Brent Price)? We had an entire starting five. Take that, you lutefisk-loving hosers!

[LyricalRico]

A "sell high" on McGee trade idea:

Wiz trade Turiaf+McGee+Crawford for Derrick Williams+Drew Gooden
Minny trades Derrick Williams+Wes Johnson+Martell Webster for Bogut+Jordan Crawford
Bucks trade Bogut+Gooden for Wes Johnson+McGee+Webster+Turiaf (expiring)

Bucks clear off longterm salary committments to Bogut and Gooden for McGee and Wes Johnson
Minny wants to win now and show Love they are committed to it. They put Beasley at SF and still have Ellington and Barea to man to SG position.
Wiz decide on not extending McGee and give the SF position to Williams for the next 8-10 years.

Kahn is a bad GM, but this is awful for Minnesota.

I disagree, Ruz. Essentially it's DWill for Bogut, which seems fair. Especially when you consider that Bogut fills a huge need for them. Maybe including Johnson is a little much since he was taken so high, but that can be tweaked. The case can also be made that Washingotn isn't needed and MIL/MIN can just do Bogut for DWill+filler.

[shrink]

In Rico's defense, there was some discussion/rumors about a swap of the #2 for Bogut before the draft (although some said #2 for Bogut + #10).

Historically though, it's always harder to trade the lottery pick in his first year if not done on draft night. In general, once the guy is in the uniform, fans see him as how they hope he will be, not who he is likely to be, and I can't think of a #2 pick that was ever traded in his first year. However, MIN may be a unique situation, since all the fans eyes are focused on Rubio.

Also adding to Rico's trade is Herb Kohl. MIL fans rightfully recognize that the team really needs to rebuild, and Derrick Williams for 7 years is perhaps the best available rebuilding piece out there. However, Kohl refuses to rebuild, and wants to put the best team out there he can every year, regardless of first round exits and mediocre darft picks.

I still think WAS is stealing value here, but it's a decent idea.

[Ruzious]

A "sell high" on McGee trade idea:

Wiz trade Turiaf+McGee+Crawford for Derrick Williams+Drew Gooden
Minny trades Derrick Williams+Wes Johnson+Martell Webster for Bogut+Jordan Crawford
Bucks trade Bogut+Gooden for Wes Johnson+McGee+Webster+Turiaf (expiring)

Bucks clear off longterm salary committments to Bogut and Gooden for McGee and Wes Johnson
Minny wants to win now and show Love they are committed to it. They put Beasley at SF and still have Ellington and Barea to man to SG position.
Wiz decide on not extending McGee and give the SF position to Williams for the next 8-10 years.

Kahn is a bad GM, but this is awful for Minnesota.

I disagree, Ruz. Essentially it's DWill for Bogut, which seems fair. Especially when you consider that Bogut fills a huge need for them. Maybe including Johnson is a little much since he was taken so high, but that can be tweaked. The case can also be made that Washingotn isn't needed and MIL/MIN can just do Bogut for DWill+filler.

Don't blame me; it was verbal who verbalized disagreement. I like DWill going to Milwaukee, and Minnesota getting their all-white band.

[llcc25]

Just throwing this out there. I know its so unlikely, but any thoughts on this 3 way with ORL and LAL before trade deadline?

LAL out - Bynum, 2012 pick (late first), Barnes
LAL in-Howard, Blatche
ORL out - Howard
ORL in- McGee, Young, Wiz 2012 pick (unprotected)
WAS out - McGee, Blatche, Young , 2012 pick
WAS in - Bynum, LAL 2012 pick

Why for LAL? they get Dwight w/o giving up Gasol
Why for ORL? its clear, that Dwight will walk at end of season. So IMO, our #1 pick will be best deal available for them.
Why for Wiz? Bynum is 2nd best center and better than anyone coming out 2012 draft. We don't have to worry about developing potential and get a bonified stud centerpiece for next decade to go build alongside Wall. We'd immediately be an attractive spot for FAs. Add in Gordon this year or Harden next year, along w/ our other blue collar young bucks and I see us as a top 4 east team in 2 years.

[Illuminaire]

Bynum is chronically injured and a headcase to rival Andre. I would feel a little sick if he was our best big man. Every year, it would be a ticking clock until his inevitable injury. XD

[sfam]

Just throwing this out there. I know its so unlikely, but any thoughts on this 3 way with ORL and LAL before trade deadline?

LAL out - Bynum, 2012 pick (late first), Barnes
LAL in-Howard, Blatche
ORL out - Howard
ORL in- McGee, Young, Wiz 2012 pick (unprotected)
WAS out - McGee, Blatche, Young , 2012 pick
WAS in - Bynum, LAL 2012 pick

Why for LAL? they get Dwight w/o giving up Gasol
Why for ORL? its clear, that Dwight will walk at end of season. So IMO, our #1 pick will be best deal available for them.
Why for Wiz? Bynum is 2nd best center and better than anyone coming out 2012 draft. We don't have to worry about developing potential and get a bonified stud centerpiece for next decade to go build alongside Wall. We'd immediately be an attractive spot for FAs. Add in Gordon this year or Harden next year, along w/ our other blue collar young bucks and I see us as a top 4 east team in 2 years.

If you substitute "Davis" for the Wizards 2012 pick, do you still like that idea? And wow, Bynum gets injured blowing his nose - why would we give up the farm for him?

[montestewart]

Way too good for LA, even if Bynum had virtually no injury risk

[verbal8]

Way too good for LA, even if Bynum had virtually no injury risk

It seems roughly even for the Wizards, but pretty bad for the Magic. I think they have to move Turkyglu, unless they got Gasol and Bynum or get multiple good 1st round picks.

[LyricalRico]

Don't blame me; it was verbal who verbalized disagreement. I like DWill going to Milwaukee, and Minnesota getting their all-white band.

[shrink]

Don't blame me; it was verbal who verbalized disagreement. I like DWill going to Milwaukee, and Minnesota getting their all-white band.

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