Official Trade Thread - Part XXV

[verbal8]

Yep, I would jump at a trade for Andre Miller, and isn't their GM a former Wizards organization member? I'd work the phones and see what can be done.

The team is obviously not happy with him. Suspended for 2 games.

Heck they might deal him for Singleton and Maynor at this point.

[Youheardme90]

Would any of you entertain a Carmelo trade of any kind? I never thought Carmelo should be a focal point of a team, he should honestly play more like Bosh. Or rather a 2nd option not a 3rd.

If he came to Washington, I guess most would surmise that he would automatically assume the number 1 status on the team. I think if he came here, he could play a role, and push us over the top, a lot of things dependent but it`s not inconceivable given he isn`t getting any younger and he still hasn`t won a championship. I`m not saying I`m for it, but it`s certainly not out of the realm of possibility.

[dckingsfan]

Yep, I would jump at a trade for Andre Miller, and isn't their GM a former Wizards organization member? I'd work the phones and see what can be done.

The team is obviously not happy with him. Suspended for 2 games.

Heck they might deal him for Singleton and Maynor at this point.

Make it so!

[verbal8]

Would any of you entertain a Carmelo trade of any kind? I never thought Carmelo should be a focal point of a team, he should honestly play more like Bosh. Or rather a 2nd option not a 3rd.

If he came to Washington, I guess most would surmise that he would automatically assume the number 1 status on the team. I think if he came here, he could play a role, and push us over the top, a lot of things dependent but it`s not inconceivable given he isn`t getting any younger and he still hasn`t won a championship. I`m not saying I`m for it, but it`s certainly not out of the realm of possibility.

If the price was right, I might consider it.

If I was the Wizards I would offer Ariza and Nene. I think that wouldn't be enough for the Knicks, but if they figure they have to rebuild on the fly getting 2 starters isn't a terrible offer. I think the Knicks would probably ask for Beal, which I would have no interest in doing.

[Youheardme90]

Who are the untouchables on the team?

[dckingsfan]

Would any of you entertain a Carmelo trade of any kind? I never thought Carmelo should be a focal point of a team, he should honestly play more like Bosh. Or rather a 2nd option not a 3rd.

If he came to Washington, I guess most would surmise that he would automatically assume the number 1 status on the team. I think if he came here, he could play a role, and push us over the top, a lot of things dependent but it`s not inconceivable given he isn`t getting any younger and he still hasn`t won a championship. I`m not saying I`m for it, but it`s certainly not out of the realm of possibility.

If the price was right, I might consider it.

If I was the Wizards I would offer Ariza and Nene. I think that wouldn't be enough for the Knicks, but if they figure they have to rebuild on the fly getting 2 starters isn't a terrible offer. I think the Knicks would probably ask for Beal, which I would have no interest in doing.

If you are offered Nene/Ariza straight up for Anthony - you jump on it.

[dckingsfan]

Pull off both trades and we are pretty darn good - pipe dream though.

[verbal8]

Who are the untouchables on the team?

Wall is pretty much the only one. The players that would make him tradeable are not on the market(Durant, Davis, etc).

Beal would have to bring an All-Star(by production not popularity) back for most to be interested. Porter would probably have to bring a young quality starter back.

Everyone else to some degree or other every other player is available.

[popper]

Who are the untouchables on the team?

Just Maynor I think.

[montestewart]

Who are the untouchables on the team?

Just Maynor I think.

Is that Dalit untouchable or G-Man untouchable?

[payitforward]

If I was the Wizards I would offer Ariza and Nene. I think that wouldn't be enough for the Knicks, but if they figure they have to rebuild on the fly getting 2 starters isn't a terrible offer. I think the Knicks would probably ask for Beal, which I would have no interest in doing.

If you are offered Nene/Ariza straight up for Anthony - you jump on it.

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They'd lose Melo for cap room in a minute if they could! He has no value to speak of any more hard to believe anyone wants to trade Nene and Ariza for him. We'd be a worse team immediately.

[dckingsfan]

If I was the Wizards I would offer Ariza and Nene. I think that wouldn't be enough for the Knicks, but if they figure they have to rebuild on the fly getting 2 starters isn't a terrible offer. I think the Knicks would probably ask for Beal, which I would have no interest in doing.

If you are offered Nene/Ariza straight up for Anthony - you jump on it.

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They'd lose Melo for cap room in a minute if they could! He has no value to speak of any more hard to believe anyone wants to trade Nene and Ariza for him. We'd be a worse team immediately.

I don't think NY would do it anyway. I think they know he is going to opt out. My guess is that he would opt out here as well unless things go really well. Also, per my previous post - this would include Andre Miller. So, we would either do really well and all is good. Or we tank and Anthony opts out and we get our pick with more cap room.

But just getting Miller would be fine as well.

[Dark Faze]

I'd trade for Melo at this point if I could. I'm starting to get desperate. There's a good chance Ernie locks up our cap space for the next three+ years on a core of players that can barely stay .500 in a historically bad Eastern Conference, while a lot of them are having career years to boot.

[fishercob]

Pipe dream time!

There's a thread up on the trade board discussing Kevin Love to DC for Beal, Porter and other stuff -- maybe Nene, maybe a pick.

I'm assuming Minnesota wouldn't want Nene. We also have the expiring contracts to make a trade without him.

So here's my question/challenge to you: How do you trade for Love and subsequently build a legit contender around him Wall, and the rest of the pieces we have here. Can we stay out of the lux tax and keep Gortat and Nene? Should we? If we let Gortat walk, how do we get a viable 3rd big?

Do we need Kevin Martin back in the deal (I'd think not)? Can we avoid taking on Barea (the market will be flush with backup guards this summer)?

Get me Kevin Love and build me a contender, or show me the path to being one. Best entry gets a pony.

[verbal8]

Yep, I would jump at a trade for Andre Miller, and isn't their GM a former Wizards organization member? I'd work the phones and see what can be done.

The team is obviously not happy with him. Suspended for 2 games.

Heck they might deal him for Singleton and Maynor at this point.

Make it so!

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/23 ... dre-Miller

Apparently there is other trade interest in Andre Miller. Looking at the Warriors they would probably use a TPE to get him. That probably means the Wizards can't move Maynor in a deal to acquire him, unless the Nuggets think he has some value as a replacement PG. The would probably jump on Booker and Maynor, but I think that is giving up too much.

It really comes down to if the Nuggets had any interest in Vesley or Seraphin. One of them and Singleton matches up salary. To be more competitive with a pure cap space offer the Wizards could kick in the cash to pay salaries for the rest of the season.

Sacramento could offer Outlaw(or maybe Jimmer) and Hamady Ndiaye.

[Dark Faze]

yall know I love otto but I had Nerlens higher than him and we'd have fixed so many issues by getting a guy who I think has a floor of close to Larry Sanders on a rookie contract

[verbal8]

If the Twolves are dealing Love for Beal, Porter and filler, I think their goal is a full on tank for this season. Maybe we can dump Maynor, if Rubio suffered a lingering "injury", Maynor can become their tank commander. But let's say the deal is Beal,Porter and Vesely

I think the luxury tax is irrelevant if you have Love and Wall as your core. You pay what it takes to make that team a contender. Where the luxury tax is a financial burden is when you blow past it the way the New York teams have. If you have a few more play-off series the financial benefit - gate, merchandise and increase in team value, probably outweighs a small luxury tax bill.

It won't be cheap, but I think this line-up gets to the 2nd round of the play-offs:

Wall/Temple
Webster/Glen Rice Jr
Ariza/Singleton
Love/Nene/Booker
Gortat/Nene/Seraphin

The big need with that roster is a combo guard. Andre Miller would be my top target, but I would probably also consider Jarrett Jack, even though I am not a huge fan of his contract. Also back-up SF is a big need. Travis Outlaw would be one trade target for that spot.

I think you have to retain Ariza and Gortat in this scenario. Probably explore trading Nene for more depth.

Pipe dream time!

There's a thread up on the trade board discussing Kevin Love to DC for Beal, Porter and other stuff -- maybe Nene, maybe a pick.

I'm assuming Minnesota wouldn't want Nene. We also have the expiring contracts to make a trade without him.

So here's my question/challenge to you: How do you trade for Love and subsequently build a legit contender around him Wall, and the rest of the pieces we have here. Can we stay out of the lux tax and keep Gortat and Nene? Should we? If we let Gortat walk, how do we get a viable 3rd big?

Do we need Kevin Martin back in the deal (I'd think not)? Can we avoid taking on Barea (the market will be flush with backup guards this summer)?

Get me Kevin Love and build me a contender, or show me the path to being one. Best entry gets a pony.

[Rafael122]

Pipe dream time!

There's a thread up on the trade board discussing Kevin Love to DC for Beal, Porter and other stuff -- maybe Nene, maybe a pick.

I'm assuming Minnesota wouldn't want Nene. We also have the expiring contracts to make a trade without him.

So here's my question/challenge to you: How do you trade for Love and subsequently build a legit contender around him Wall, and the rest of the pieces we have here. Can we stay out of the lux tax and keep Gortat and Nene? Should we? If we let Gortat walk, how do we get a viable 3rd big?

Do we need Kevin Martin back in the deal (I'd think not)? Can we avoid taking on Barea (the market will be flush with backup guards this summer)?

Get me Kevin Love and build me a contender, or show me the path to being one. Best entry gets a pony.

I wouldn't do this trade at all.

IMO, I would not trade Beal, Porter and a pick for Love. It's asinine to trade a 20 year old shooting guard, a 20 year old small forward, and on top of that, a first round pick. Not even Dwight brought in that haul, or Bosh.

If you had a gun to my head...I'd offer the following:
Gortat + Porter + Singleton + Vesely + '16 first round pick (lotto protected, no protection after) + Maynor for Love + Barea + Dieng

PG - Wall
SG - Beal
SF - Ariza
PF - Love
C - Nene

OR...I would remove Gortat and sub in Nene. It's tough...Love is one of those guys who makes enough money that you need to start with 3 players just to make salaries match so it will probably be one of those 5 for 3 type of trades.

The only player I would give Beal/Porter/pick for is Durant. Love is a great player, but I wouldn't blow my team up and leave me with nothing.

[fishercob]

Raf, I love Bradley Beal. But he's pretty must just potential at this point (despite his raw scoring numbers, he's actually performing worse this year than he did last season). If you can get a legit superstar like Kevin Love, and the price is Brad, I think you have to do it. Love is only 25.

Wall and Love would be one of the best duo's in the entire league. Surround them with shooters and defenders and you have a team that contends for conference and league titles for years to come.

[Rafael122]

Raf, I love Bradley Beal. But he's pretty must just potential at this point (despite his raw scoring numbers, he's actually performing worse this year than he did last season). If you can get a legit superstar like Kevin Love, and the price is Brad, I think you have to do it. Love is only 25.

Wall and Love would be one of the best duo's in the entire league. Surround them with shooters and defenders and you have a team that contends for conference and league titles for years to come.

Maybe I'm in the minority but I don't consider Kevin Love to be alpha in the same tier as Lebron or Durant. I would give up multiple picks for Love for sure, but not in addition to trading Beal and Porter. There's no way.

Chris Bosh got traded for two first round picks and a TPE.

Harden got traded for Martin, Lamb, two first round picks and a 2nd rounder.

Orlando got pieces and three first round picks for Dwight.

The template has been set w/regard to how much a team should give up to get a major superstar player.

Beal + Porter AND picks for Kevin Love?