Official Trade Thread - Part XXVII

[Hidden Eye]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=nptsr95

Never gonna happen but never know

[payitforward]

I keep wondering when this will get through to all the "look what we could get for Nene posters" -- Nene played 1500+ minutes last year. The year before he played 1600+ minutes. In neither year was he particularly productive, and he is heading downhill production-wise on a continuing clip. He also makes $13,000,000.

OTOH, as to "Ted and Ernie love Nene," I don't know what that means. Are we in high school? Are we a family? No on both counts.

All of these people, Nene included, are business people. Only fans fall in love with their team's players.

[dangermouse]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=nptsr95

Never gonna happen but never know

Dude... that wouldnt even happen in NBA Live on Wii.

[gambitx777]

What about a return to denver?

They are wanting to trade there 11 pick and they need a vet big?

what if we do this.
Gallo or mcgee, and Chandler plus the 11th pick, for NENE.

Gallo can not stay on the floor and Mcgee is a bone head, I am sure they would not mind dumping either, and chandler could be they have younger players who can give them just as much as he gives them. Plus getting a vet presence on that team would do them goo, especially one like NENE who was there before.

For us, Gallo, is younger than NENE and with medical technology the way it is, there is a decent chance that he could hold his health together for 4-5 more years after all the surgeries that hes had, so he might be stronger now. as for McGee........ if they would rather get rid of him, well we would just take him to get the pick and maybe trade him off later on, or just hope for the best out of him off the bench. As for Chandler, he could be a decent back up, that would allow us to move web, in the proposed NO deal we all talked about, and save a bit of money from web's deal.

Denver going for it is not a sure thing, and there are a lot of pros and cons in this deal.

[dangermouse]

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[gambitx777]

I don't want McGee back lol. I would rather take Gallo if possible. But, would it be that bad if we took him back but ended up getting a loto pick for doing so?

[verbal8]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=nptsr95

Never gonna happen but never know

Dude... that wouldnt even happen in NBA Live on Wii.

The Jazz part of the deal makes little sense.

I could see some rationale for the "Bucks want to dump Sanders". However I think they get much better offers than Nene if they go that route.

One aspect that is potentially interesting is a Thad Young/Webster swap. If Wiggins goes in the top 2, the Sixers potentially could be drafting 2 bigs early in the 1st round. If they are going to play the rookies and Noel heavily, that may not leave many minutes for Thad Young. Webster should give them an upgrade over James Anderson at SG/SF.

[payitforward]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=nptsr95

Never gonna happen but never know

Dude... that wouldnt even happen in NBA Live on Wii.

The Jazz part of the deal makes little sense.

I could see some rationale for the "Bucks want to dump Sanders". However I think they get much better offers than Nene if they go that route.

One aspect that is potentially interesting is a Thad Young/Webster swap. If Wiggins goes in the top 2, the Sixers potentially could be drafting 2 bigs early in the 1st round. If they are going to play the rookies and Noel heavily, that may not leave many minutes for Thad Young. Webster should give them an upgrade over James Anderson at SG/SF.

I don't see how the linked trade could work -- Harrington and Singleton are unrestricted FAs, and the idea of Milwaukee taking on Nene for 3 years while they obviously are about to (and need to) do a complete rebuild makes no sense.

OTOH, I'm sure Philly would be happy to take Webster for Young, all they want is to clear veteran salaries while they rebuild, but I don't see how that trade works given salary differential. To include Seraphin and even the salaries, we'd have to sign him at his qualifying offer. He has no value as a player, but they might do that deal, as he falls off the roster at the end of the year.

But... we have no need for Thad Young! We cannot lose rebounding on the floor. We need a young big -- a true big -- to soak up minutes at the 4.

[dckingsfan]

If I am not mistaken, we were like 8th or 9th in the league in defensive rebounding. Part of that is having a SF that rebounds really well. Add to that - Nene isn't a very good rebounder - so I am not sure we need a defensive rebounding machine at PF (although that never hurts). It would be nice to have someone that is a good rim protector.

Since Young is both a bad rebounder AND not a rim protector - he isn't the right guy. And if Ariza isn't there, he is definitely the wrong guy.

[TGW]

Is there any way to flip Porter Jr. for Henson on the Bux?

I'm thinking Henson to Wash, Porter to team X, Player X from Team x to Mil. I've been playing around with the check but I haven't found anything that makes sense.

[gambitx777]

What about this ?
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=kdxvfjg

WIZ GET : Arthur, Henson, Fournier.
BUCKS GET : Gallinari, Thompson, and the 11th pick from denver.
CAVS GET : Illiasolva, the rights to Thomas and a 2015 second rounder from us (the highest of the two we have)
DENVER GETS : Mayo, Webster, Zeller.

Why for the WIZ, We get nice young pieces, we add depth all across the board and we eliminate the necessity to resign any of our out going bigs with the exception of one of Gooden or booker if we feel the need. we gain the ability to play nene less minutes, and we get a good young guard to play behind beal and wall. We also clear time for Rice and Porter to play at the 3.

Why for the bucks, It's all about that pick and rebuilding. something needs to change and this clears the problems kids out, Illiasolva and Mayo get new places to go and even though Henson is a loss they get Thompson and the pick to replace him. and if Gallo is healthy he is a steal.

Why for the Cav's, They clear room for Embid, but they still get a stretch big to use, a front court of, Embid Hawes, Illiasolva, verajao, is not bad at all. If you retain Deng or hell get Lebron back, then thats a pretty talented 3,4,5 combination. Oh and they still have Bennet to..... he could still work out I guess........

Why for Denver, getting 3 solid player helps them solidify there team. Mayo and Webster give them experience and talent where needed, and Zeller allows them to move McGee. McGee is a bone head but someone will take him, talented Centers are hard to find, but I think they would like the freedom to move him.

Thoughts?

[Hidden Eye]

Dude... that wouldnt even happen in NBA Live on Wii.

The Jazz part of the deal makes little sense.

I could see some rationale for the "Bucks want to dump Sanders". However I think they get much better offers than Nene if they go that route.

One aspect that is potentially interesting is a Thad Young/Webster swap. If Wiggins goes in the top 2, the Sixers potentially could be drafting 2 bigs early in the 1st round. If they are going to play the rookies and Noel heavily, that may not leave many minutes for Thad Young. Webster should give them an upgrade over James Anderson at SG/SF.

I don't see how the linked trade could work -- Harrington and Singleton are unrestricted FAs, and the idea of Milwaukee taking on Nene for 3 years while they obviously are about to (and need to) do a complete rebuild makes no sense.

OTOH, I'm sure Philly would be happy to take Webster for Young, all they want is to clear veteran salaries while they rebuild, but I don't see how that trade works given salary differential. To include Seraphin and even the salaries, we'd have to sign him at his qualifying offer. He has no value as a player, but they might do that deal, as he falls off the roster at the end of the year.

But... we have no need for Thad Young! We cannot lose rebounding on the floor. We need a young big -- a true big -- to soak up minutes at the 4.

Nene isn't a elite rebounder and Defensive threat so I don't really know what you're trying to get at.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I don't want McGee back lol. I would rather take Gallo if possible. But, would it be that bad if we took him back but ended up getting a loto pick for doing so?

It would be a good move. McGee is at the very least a tradable asset. He's a liability defensively but as a backup to Gortat he could be an asset.

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[dangermouse]

CCJ, McGee has been gone for so long, didn't improve at all in Denver, has done absolutely nothing, and he's still your boy? When are you going to move on?

[penbeast0]

Nene for Perkins might not be a bad idea.

Works in trade checker. OKC could be down, would give them a big time talent upgrade as they make another championship push.

For Wiz it saves immediate money allowing them to keep Gortat and Ariza, and perhaps sign a FA like McRoberts. Perkins would be a solid backup for Gortat, and he only has 1 yr left in place of Nene 2 yrs left on his massive deal.

We could probably also come out with OKC's #29 (they also have 21). At 29 we could possibly come away with Napier, McGary or Stokes.

Yes, I've been championing this trade for a while. Though I wouldn't use the savings to immediately sign a free agent like McRoberts (unless it's for a 1-year deal). With Nene gone and Gortat and Ariza resigned to reasonable deals, we would be within sniffing distance of having max cap room next year (depending on the cost of Gortat and Ariza, and the amount the salary cap increases). That would give us a chance of signing Love outright (if he chooses to go to a team like Sacramento as a 1-year rental), or it gives us a ton of leverage to negotiate a Love S&T with extremely favorable terms (if Love stays with Minnesota).

I don't think it's realistic to expect Gortat and Ariza to sign for "reasonable deals." Gortat is likely to get a Pekovic type offer; Ariza I don't think that much of but if you give him money based on this year's performance expecting a repeat, he's going to get a good payday too because he had a terrific year. But don't expect a discount; I don't see either as a "Wiz for life" loyalist and both are reasonably portable into other systems.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

CCJ, McGee has been gone for so long, didn't improve at all in Denver, has done absolutely nothing, and he's still your boy? When are you going to move on?

Quite conversely, I realize I was wrong and he isn't a good player. On top of that he makes near what Nene makes. He's a great caricature of buffoonery on Shaq's malicious short segments.

The context is older, broken down Nene for Javale returning with fresh legs and something to prove. Gortat is a great passer. McGee is a great dunker. Javale already played with Andre Miller. He never played with this group of veteran, playoff performance tested Wizards. McGee played with Nick Young and with spoons for cinnamon. MAYBE he would be better playing with Beal.

Recall that McGee gives great effort and he is one of the best dunkers EVER.

I know how to keep it moving with respect to fluidity of player development. McGee and a pick for Nene is no brainer good when the real objective is the pick!

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Plus, I had a huge crush on Pam and Paula back in the day.

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Nene for Perkins might not be a bad idea.

Works in trade checker. OKC could be down, would give them a big time talent upgrade as they make another championship push.

For Wiz it saves immediate money allowing them to keep Gortat and Ariza, and perhaps sign a FA like McRoberts. Perkins would be a solid backup for Gortat, and he only has 1 yr left in place of Nene 2 yrs left on his massive deal.

We could probably also come out with OKC's #29 (they also have 21). At 29 we could possibly come away with Napier, McGary or Stokes.

Yes, I've been championing this trade for a while. Though I wouldn't use the savings to immediately sign a free agent like McRoberts (unless it's for a 1-year deal). With Nene gone and Gortat and Ariza resigned to reasonable deals, we would be within sniffing distance of having max cap room next year (depending on the cost of Gortat and Ariza, and the amount the salary cap increases). That would give us a chance of signing Love outright (if he chooses to go to a team like Sacramento as a 1-year rental), or it gives us a ton of leverage to negotiate a Love S&T with extremely favorable terms (if Love stays with Minnesota).

I don't think it's realistic to expect Gortat and Ariza to sign for "reasonable deals." Gortat is likely to get a Pekovic type offer; Ariza I don't think that much of but if you give him money based on this year's performance expecting a repeat, he's going to get a good payday too because he had a terrific year. But don't expect a discount; I don't see either as a "Wiz for life" loyalist and both are reasonably portable into other systems.

In the event Gortat and/or Ariza are not resigned the Wizards are going to need a good plan B.

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[gambitx777]

In the event Gortat and/or Ariza are not resigned the Wizards are going to need a good plan B.

Ariza, at least IMO is not as essential as Gortat. Quality starting centers are hard to find, wings are not, you can find a serviceable wing in the second round, plus we have porter and rice already, and web if we don't trade him. Ariza would be nice to keep, but hes not as important as gortat.

[Aussie22]

Is there any serious interest from the Wiz in Sacramento's 8th pick that's being shopped around? A great chance to pick up a solid back up big man while opening up future cap space.