Discuss Ernie Grunfeld's GM skills here (Part 2)

FAH1223 · Post #1421 » by **FAH1223** » Mon Oct 29, 2018 4:52 am

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WallToWall · Post #1422 » by **WallToWall** » Mon Oct 29, 2018 5:19 am

Yeah, so anybody know the phone number to the Lakers front office? I need to tweet it over to EG, cause I dont think he's got it on speed dial yet.
Lakers could use Wall right about now (especially since Rondo has a brain fart today). Wall would actually fit in well over at the Lakers.

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #1423 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:19 am

WallToWall wrote:Yeah, so anybody know the phone number to the Lakers front office? I need to tweet it over to EG, cause I dont think he's got it on speed dial yet.
Lakers could use Wall right about now (especially since Rondo has a brain fart today). Wall would actually fit in well over at the Lakers.

Yep.

I seen this (bad grammar is fly now) coming B4 this season began.

The great news: Washington has enough young pieces to trade and rapidly reload.

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Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #1424 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:35 am

Thread about EG's GM skills...

Marshon Brooks is doing well on the Grizzlies. He and Mike Conley are on the next team that WILL DEFEAT THE WIZARDS.

Marshon Brooks was in the same draft Kawhi Leonard, Klay Thompson, Kenneth Faried, Nikola Vucevic, Tobias Harris, Kemba Walker, and JIMMY BUTLER.

EG has a staff.

I'm just a guy.

That draft I only had two DI NOT DRAFT rated players. JAN VESELY and CHRIS SINGLETON.

I wanted Faried and Brooks, but rated Leonard very highly after what Kawhi did at San Diego State under Steve Fisher. Monster rebounder and defender who could create his own offense.

Vesely? He was not dominating. James Gist (a former Terp player who was on Jan's team) had way better numbers.

Drafting by favorites is DUMB. Drafting the veterans without providing analysis of past production vs future projection is REALLY DUMB.

I'm glad to see the team stinks now.

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Post #1425 » by **paulpressey25** » Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:02 pm

The hard part for you guys is the fact your schedule is so loaded to start. Having to play the Raptors and then hit a long west coast road trip gives EG and the club a built in excuse. They'll crawl back towards 38-42 wins once they get back home to face Charlotte, Atlanta, etc. At which point Ted will chalk it all up to a "slow start due to schedule".

FAH1223 · Post #1426 » by **FAH1223** » Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:09 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:The hard part for you guys is the fact your schedule is so loaded to start. Having to play the Raptors and then hit a long west coast road trip gives EG and the club a built in excuse. They'll crawl back towards 38-42 wins once they get back home to face Charlotte, Atlanta, etc. At which point Ted will chalk it all up to a "slow start due to schedule".

They'll probably also use the Dwight excuse and say... well if we had him to start, we probably beat Miami and Toronto because of rebounding.

FAH1223 · Post #1427 » by **FAH1223** » Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:17 pm

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closg00 · Post #1428 » by **closg00** » Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:35 pm

Despite Ted’s “expectations” of a 50 win season and deep EC run, he will be thrilled if we clawed our way to the playoffs, that way he doesn’t have to fire and pay-out on another coach. Ernie is certainly not going anywhere.

queridiculo · Post #1429 » by **queridiculo** » Mon Oct 29, 2018 4:57 pm

Who writes these bios, Grunfeld's over at NBA.com included this gem:

In the process of building a contender in the Eastern Conference, Grunfeld’s attention to detail resulted in the renovating and upgrading of the team’s facilities at Verizon Center. The major overhaul included the interior and exterior of the team’s locker room and the basketball operations and coaching offices.

This one gives me a chuckle as well:

Grunfeld oversaw a major overhaul to his team during the summer of 2016 after he Wizards fought through an injury ravaged 2015-16 season (they missed the fourth-most player games in the league) to finish 41-41. The re-organization began with the hiring of former Coach of the Year Scott Brooks and continued into free agency with the acquisition of five new players, making the Wizards younger, bigger and more athletic. Grunfeld’s improvement of the roster has the Wizards poised for another playoff run now while maintaining flexibility to continue to improve in the future.

Post #1430 » by **paulpressey25** » Mon Oct 29, 2018 5:56 pm

queridiculo wrote:Who writes these bios, Grunfeld's over at NBA.com included this gem:

We are experts in Milwaukee on this stuff from years past. Our PR staff was fantastic at coming up with all sorts of "We really don't suck, it isn't our fault" type PR releases they'd lob into our broadcast crew to keep repeating so the casual fan and local media wouldn't question why the team still sucked.

You guys could play a drinking game with stuff like this:

"No team opens the season with a long western road trip. Just doesn't happen but did to the Wizards. Really prevented them from getting their sets down at the DC practice facility"

"Dwight has missed x games. When you are without an all-star, it will take a toll. Look how Philly fares when Embiid isn't in the lineup"

"The combined record of our first 6 opponents is xx-xx. No one else has opened up against a stronger schedule. The Kings and the Clippers are proving to be quality playoff caliber teams"

Post #1431 » by **Ruzious** » Mon Oct 29, 2018 6:28 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:
queridiculo wrote:Who writes these bios, Grunfeld's over at NBA.com included this gem:

We are experts in Milwaukee on this stuff from years past. Our PR staff was fantastic at coming up with all sorts of "We really don't suck, it isn't our fault" type PR releases they'd lob into our broadcast crew to keep repeating so the casual fan and local media wouldn't question why the team still sucked.

You guys could play a drinking game with stuff like this:

"No team opens the season with a long western road trip. Just doesn't happen but did to the Wizards. Really prevented them from getting their sets down at the DC practice facility"

"Dwight has missed x games. When you are without an all-star, it will take a toll. Look how Philly fares when Embiid isn't in the lineup"

"The combined record of our first 6 opponents is xx-xx. No one else has opened up against a stronger schedule. The Kings and the Clippers are proving to be quality playoff caliber teams"

This actually sounds like an excellent idea. We should have a list of 20 or so good excuses by the first Mil/Wash game/wipeout. And honestly, I'm not sure there's a big talent differential - though there is some. But one organization (primarily with the Budenholzer Effect) is being run much smarter than the other. If Brooks and Grunfeld had DDV, they wouldn't be playing him at all; they'd be playing Rivers (who has proven his suckiness over several seasons) instead of him. I am dead serious. They have no idea what they're doing, and... they're sure they're doing it right.

And it's the attitude formed by the top players. Giannis is maybe the worst 3 point shooter on the Bucks, but he is 100%... on board with Budenholzer's plan - even though it involves emphasizing the one skill he's not good at. Wall/Beal/Porter... I doubt they take anything to heart that Brooks says, and I'm not sure they should. Morris probably likes Brooks, because Brooks calls his number for post-ups far more than he should and makes him a bigger part of the offense than Porter.

Hopefully the 2019 draft is top-heavy.

djsunyc · Post #1432 » by **djsunyc** » Mon Oct 29, 2018 6:29 pm

otto for love?

FAH1223 · Post #1433 » by **FAH1223** » Mon Oct 29, 2018 6:42 pm

djsunyc wrote:otto for love?

no

FAH1223 · Post #1434 » by **FAH1223** » Mon Oct 29, 2018 6:45 pm

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closg00 · Post #1435 » by **closg00** » Wed Oct 31, 2018 2:19 am

paulpressey25 wrote:The hard part for you guys is the fact your schedule is so loaded to start. Having to play the Raptors and then hit a long west coast road trip gives EG and the club a built in excuse. They'll crawl back towards 38-42 wins once they get back home to face Charlotte, Atlanta, etc. At which point Ted will chalk it all up to a "slow start due to schedule".

Hey Paul, congratulations to you, it appears that your ship has come in. All these years of suffering and now the Bucks have passed us by, 7-0 currently. :nod:

Post #1436 » by **paulpressey25** » Wed Oct 31, 2018 3:40 am

closg00 wrote:
paulpressey25 wrote:The hard part for you guys is the fact your schedule is so loaded to start. Having to play the Raptors and then hit a long west coast road trip gives EG and the club a built in excuse. They'll crawl back towards 38-42 wins once they get back home to face Charlotte, Atlanta, etc. At which point Ted will chalk it all up to a "slow start due to schedule".

Hey Paul, congratulations to you, it appears that your ship has come in. All these years of suffering and now the Bucks have passed us by, 7-0 currently.

Thanks. We are just enjoying the ride, understanding that it may end fast at any time.

To our ongoing commentary on bad GM’s there is no question one reason Milwaukee is starting fast this season relates to dumping John Hammond after nine years. Whether our new guy Horst is doing this himself or with Mike Budenholzer, they are bringing in better players and players that fit better.

Unfortunately Hammond was so similar to Grunfeld for you guys and frankly Grunfeld in Milwaukee. Need a player? Go find some overpaid vet with a ppgz reputation regardless of fit, chemistry or value.

WizarDynasty · Post #1437 » by **WizarDynasty** » Wed Oct 31, 2018 6:20 am

Grunfeld has failed to provide a high motor athletic big man for john walls entire career. Dwight Howard has a herniated disc for years. GRUNFELD HAS FAILED.

WallToWall · Post #1438 » by **WallToWall** » Wed Oct 31, 2018 7:49 pm

Waiting for the "come to Jesus" moment for him....
He and Teddy rolled the dice on a particular methodology to build this team, and it is an obvious failure. It's time for everyone to evaluate (if they aren't continuously doing so), and do the necessary.

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Post #1439 » by **paulpressey25** » Sat Nov 3, 2018 3:08 pm

Being a student of Grunfeld, quite possible right now he's thinking of a big diversion.

Starting the Beal for Jimmy Butler rumor right now.

payitforward · Post #1440 » by **payitforward** » Sat Nov 3, 2018 3:31 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:Being a student of Grunfeld, quite possible right now he's thinking of a big diversion.

Starting the Beal for Jimmy Butler rumor right now.

On the money -- something to divert attention from his long list of failures. That's his usual MO.

Beal for Butler does seem right up his alley. Or Porter for Butler. Wall for Butler would be best but won't happen.

One way or the other, this generation of the Washington Wizards is over. It's just a matter of waiting for the other shoe to drop.