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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXX 

Post#1421 » by Ruzious » Wed Mar 16, 2016 9:44 pm

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krii wrote:So Wizards loose Beal and Gortat whilst adding Cousins. Whose starting SG? Where do you have money for him?

Because you said rebounding will be better - MG is averaging almost the same amount of rbs as DMC. Scoring in the half court would be replace with lack of quality SG.

Nate said $9 mil. Part of the answer may be under our nose. Sessions has played with Wall and done very well. Sato is also a possibiity - it wouldn't surprise me if he's more of a 2 than a 1 in the NBA. His shooting stats are outstanding. And there should be enough left over to get a useful veteran.

People keep plugging Satoransky into the Wizards roster as if there was *any concrete reason* to think he'll be a Wizard -- *ever.*

I'm not pretending to know for sure one way or the other - just giving a possibility as far as I know.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXX 

Post#1422 » by Dark Faze » Thu Mar 17, 2016 12:36 am

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Dark Faze wrote:I don't see it as a dream scenario. If you offered Brad, Gortat, a 1st, and say, Porter, I don't see them turning that package down.

Problem is Ernie doesn't trade core pieces until far after its clear the core isn't that good

Holy Moly!! As I've said before, it's a good thing you aren't running an NBA franchise. Well, not one I'm a fan of anyway.

And what would be our core after that trade? Wall and Cousins. And Oubre's upside. And whoever we draft in 2018?


You really think 20+ million a year Beal and Porter who's a year away from an extension have more value than a core of Wall and Cousins with a ton of cap space?

Wtf?
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXX 

Post#1423 » by payitforward » Thu Mar 17, 2016 1:32 am

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Dark Faze wrote:I don't see it as a dream scenario. If you offered Brad, Gortat, a 1st, and say, Porter, I don't see them turning that package down.

Problem is Ernie doesn't trade core pieces until far after its clear the core isn't that good

Holy Moly!! As I've said before, it's a good thing you aren't running an NBA franchise. Well, not one I'm a fan of anyway.

And what would be our core after that trade? Wall and Cousins. And Oubre's upside. And whoever we draft in 2018?


You really think 20+ million a year Beal and Porter who's a year away from an extension have more value than a core of Wall and Cousins with a ton of cap space?

Wtf?

In the dream you dream, John Wall is a superstar. In the dream you dream, DeMarcus Cousins is a superstar in waiting. In the dream you dream, the other great players of the league will go "wow" and want to play for the Wizards -- starting w/ Durant presumably and going who knows where.

It's a wonderful dream, Faze. You must love dreaming that dream.

But John Wall *isn't* a superstar, though he is a terrific NBA point guard - maybe something like the 10th best in the league. And DeMarcus Cousins isn't a star of any kind. He's *not* one of the 10 best Centers in the league. He is a great *talent* -- no one doubts that. But he doesn't translate that into results on the court to match his talent.

That doesn't mean I think we should max Beal, tho. It doesn't even mean I don't think we should trade him. I'd trade any player - on this team or any team. It all depends on the deal.

Your deal is awful, Faze. In one fell swoop it'd turn this team into the Sacramento Kings of the East, and without any assets to change that. Ernie's made a mess of the Wizards, and your deal would complete the mess.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXX 

Post#1424 » by deneem4 » Thu Mar 17, 2016 1:57 am

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payitforward wrote:
Dark Faze wrote:I don't see it as a dream scenario. If you offered Brad, Gortat, a 1st, and say, Porter, I don't see them turning that package down.

Problem is Ernie doesn't trade core pieces until far after its clear the core isn't that good

Holy Moly!! As I've said before, it's a good thing you aren't running an NBA franchise. Well, not one I'm a fan of anyway.

And what would be our core after that trade? Wall and Cousins. And Oubre's upside. And whoever we draft in 2018?


You really think 20+ million a year Beal and Porter who's a year away from an extension have more value than a core of Wall and Cousins with a ton of cap space?

Wtf?


Cousins and Wall is a top 3 seed in the east....by themselves....u can start oubre dudley and Morris... they would still be a top 3 seed....

Cousins is the perfect mate for wall...they showed that in college and while nba is a different animal
chemistry cannot be understated
Get parsons
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXX 

Post#1425 » by Dark Faze » Thu Mar 17, 2016 4:09 am

payitforward wrote:
Dark Faze wrote:
payitforward wrote:

Your deal is awful, Faze. In one fell swoop it'd turn this team into the Sacramento Kings of the East, and without any assets to change that. Ernie's made a mess of the Wizards, and your deal would complete the mess.


Why are you completely ignoring the cap space? You get two all-stars on extremely cap friendly deals in a situation where the cap is continuing to rise BEFORE these stars are up for an extension, meaning you can completely load your team and then go beyond the cap if necessary to extend Wall and Cousins. This summer isn't a great free agency year in terms of depth, but the year after that is going to be swimming with talent to add to the squad. And if you want to make a bigger splash you can go after a Horford or Batum, or maybe even lure Durant to form a big 3. There's a lot of flexibility with how you can play it.

There's just a lot of options. With our current core right now, we're going to have enough for one max contract addition to go with our core of Wall/Beal/Gortat and if its not a home run then its essentially game over--that's the team you've got for the remainder of Walls contract. Pau Gasol is the only "move the needle" free agent we could get on a short term basis. Everyone else--Horford, Ryan Anderson, Batum--they are all going to be looking for as many years as they can get.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXX 

Post#1426 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Thu Mar 17, 2016 9:21 am

nate33 wrote:
Andy Furillo from the Sacramento Bee wrote:Finally, Vlade Divac suspended DeMarcus Cousins.

Now, can the Kings’ general manager do the right thing and get him out of here?

Trade him, cut him, whatever. It would be a steal if the Kings could get 50 cents on the dollar, a bargain at 35 cents and a good deal at a quarter. Maybe even a nickel.

Sometimes in life, you add by subtraction, like when you have a corn on your toe. Removal can be absolute relief.

The time has come for the Kings to reach that conclusion about Cousins. They have never won with him, and there is no reason to believe they ever will, or that they will be able to put together a team in the holistic flow of the word until they make the difficult decision to move him, regardless of his undisputed and overvalued talent.


http://www.sacbee.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/andy-furillo/article65552227.html

Hmmm.

Gortat + Beal for Cousins? We save money, get younger, and form a talent base that could legitimately attract Durant despite this awful season. We'd have about $9M to spend on a Beal replacement at SG.


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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXX 

Post#1427 » by deneem4 » Thu Mar 17, 2016 10:04 am

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payitforward wrote:
Dark Faze wrote:


Why are you completely ignoring the cap space? You get two all-stars on extremely cap friendly deals in a situation where the cap is continuing to rise BEFORE these stars are up for an extension, meaning you can completely load your team and then go beyond the cap if necessary to extend Wall and Cousins. This summer isn't a great free agency year in terms of depth, but the year after that is going to be swimming with talent to add to the squad. And if you want to make a bigger splash you can go after a Horford or Batum, or maybe even lure Durant to form a big 3. There's a lot of flexibility with how you can play it.

There's just a lot of options. With our current core right now, we're going to have enough for one max contract addition to go with our core of Wall/Beal/Gortat and if its not a home run then its essentially game over--that's the team you've got for the remainder of Walls contract. Pau Gasol is the only "move the needle" free agent we could get on a short term basis. Everyone else--Horford, Ryan Anderson, Batum--they are all going to be looking for as many years as they can get.


Get rid of gortat...I don't see morris being moved or porter being moved tbh...if Beal stays I think we have to trade gortat or one of our forwards this offseason
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXX 

Post#1428 » by krii » Thu Mar 17, 2016 10:31 am

deneem4 wrote:
Dark Faze wrote:
payitforward wrote:


Why are you completely ignoring the cap space? You get two all-stars on extremely cap friendly deals in a situation where the cap is continuing to rise BEFORE these stars are up for an extension, meaning you can completely load your team and then go beyond the cap if necessary to extend Wall and Cousins. This summer isn't a great free agency year in terms of depth, but the year after that is going to be swimming with talent to add to the squad. And if you want to make a bigger splash you can go after a Horford or Batum, or maybe even lure Durant to form a big 3. There's a lot of flexibility with how you can play it.

There's just a lot of options. With our current core right now, we're going to have enough for one max contract addition to go with our core of Wall/Beal/Gortat and if its not a home run then its essentially game over--that's the team you've got for the remainder of Walls contract. Pau Gasol is the only "move the needle" free agent we could get on a short term basis. Everyone else--Horford, Ryan Anderson, Batum--they are all going to be looking for as many years as they can get.


Get rid of gortat...I don't see morris being moved or porter being moved tbh...if Beal stays I think we have to trade gortat or one of our forwards this offseason

Dude. What is it with you and Gortat hate? Marcin isn't the problem of this team, seriously. Of course there are upgrades over him on the market but he is one of the cheapest and best centers in this league (in terms of value / price relation). It's no longer Centers Era, most of them do not win games by themselves. Why would you 'get rid of Gortat' (btw. Morris/Gortat rather than morris/gortat, show some respect) when there are bigger holes in this team?

IF - and only if - there would be a great piece on the market that can be traded for Gortat I'd be okay. But it looks like you just want to change Gortat for ANYONE because he isn't show-off like some other players in the league. Like, seriously - I'd prefer to have decent and stable SF/PF or great backups for each of the position, rather than Valunciunas in the roster.

Btw. read this post by Kev:
http://kevinbroom.com/2016/03/16/the-surprising-problem-for-the-wizards/
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXX 

Post#1429 » by deneem4 » Thu Mar 17, 2016 1:55 pm

krii wrote:
deneem4 wrote:
Dark Faze wrote:
Why are you completely ignoring the cap space? You get two all-stars on extremely cap friendly deals in a situation where the cap is continuing to rise BEFORE these stars are up for an extension, meaning you can completely load your team and then go beyond the cap if necessary to extend Wall and Cousins. This summer isn't a great free agency year in terms of depth, but the year after that is going to be swimming with talent to add to the squad. And if you want to make a bigger splash you can go after a Horford or Batum, or maybe even lure Durant to form a big 3. There's a lot of flexibility with how you can play it.

There's just a lot of options. With our current core right now, we're going to have enough for one max contract addition to go with our core of Wall/Beal/Gortat and if its not a home run then its essentially game over--that's the team you've got for the remainder of Walls contract. Pau Gasol is the only "move the needle" free agent we could get on a short term basis. Everyone else--Horford, Ryan Anderson, Batum--they are all going to be looking for as many years as they can get.


Get rid of gortat...I don't see morris being moved or porter being moved tbh...if Beal stays I think we have to trade gortat or one of our forwards this offseason

Dude. What is it with you and Gortat hate? Marcin isn't the problem of this team, seriously. Of course there are upgrades over him on the market but he is one of the cheapest and best centers in this league (in terms of value / price relation). It's no longer Centers Era, most of them do not win games by themselves. Why would you 'get rid of Gortat' (btw. Morris/Gortat rather than morris/gortat, show some respect) when there are bigger holes in this team?

IF - and only if - there would be a great piece on the market that can be traded for Gortat I'd be okay. But it looks like you just want to change Gortat for ANYONE because he isn't show-off like some other players in the league. Like, seriously - I'd prefer to have decent and stable SF/PF or great backups for each of the position, rather than Valunciunas in the roster.

Btw. read this post by Kev:
http://kevinbroom.com/2016/03/16/the-surprising-problem-for-the-wizards/


Because as good is gortat is he isn't a good fit...
He limits wall ability...Wall has to create for gortat...Wall is responsible for gortat production probably 70% of the time...
Wall is our center piece and he's need spacing to excel...
Our team Need spacing to succeed
Gortat isnt a problem on an individual level...he's good at alot of things...butut he's not great at the things we need

Good all around centers are hard to find...you're right...but he's not a top rebounder nor rim protecter he has great offensive efficiency but he's not an offensive center...

Gortat is good...bUT we don't have to the team for him...
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXX 

Post#1430 » by deneem4 » Thu Mar 17, 2016 2:12 pm

He's not defensive as bogut or mosgov adams
He's not offensive as val or vuc kanter
Not a drummond dwight Whiteside jordan

He's doesn't benefit the rest of the guys on the floor with his production...we need versatility down there
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXX 

Post#1431 » by Ruzious » Thu Mar 17, 2016 2:24 pm

deneem4 wrote:
krii wrote:
deneem4 wrote:
Get rid of gortat...I don't see morris being moved or porter being moved tbh...if Beal stays I think we have to trade gortat or one of our forwards this offseason

Dude. What is it with you and Gortat hate? Marcin isn't the problem of this team, seriously. Of course there are upgrades over him on the market but he is one of the cheapest and best centers in this league (in terms of value / price relation). It's no longer Centers Era, most of them do not win games by themselves. Why would you 'get rid of Gortat' (btw. Morris/Gortat rather than morris/gortat, show some respect) when there are bigger holes in this team?

IF - and only if - there would be a great piece on the market that can be traded for Gortat I'd be okay. But it looks like you just want to change Gortat for ANYONE because he isn't show-off like some other players in the league. Like, seriously - I'd prefer to have decent and stable SF/PF or great backups for each of the position, rather than Valunciunas in the roster.

Btw. read this post by Kev:
http://kevinbroom.com/2016/03/16/the-surprising-problem-for-the-wizards/


Because as good is gortat is he isn't a good fit...
He limits wall ability...Wall has to create for gortat...Wall is responsible for gortat production probably 70% of the time...
Wall is our center piece and he's need spacing to excel...
Our team Need spacing to succeed
Gortat isnt a problem on an individual level...he's good at alot of things...butut he's not great at the things we need

Good all around centers are hard to find...you're right...but he's not a top rebounder nor rim protecter he has great offensive efficiency but he's not an offensive center...

Gortat is good...bUT we don't have to the team for him...

Wrong. Gortat's effectiveness helps with Wall's production. What would Wall's production look like without his assists???

Spacing is helped by having one effective inside scorer - Gortat. Your case can't be made if we have a decent stretch 4.

And Gortat is a better than average defensive center and rebounder.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXX 

Post#1432 » by nate33 » Thu Mar 17, 2016 2:27 pm

deneem4 wrote:Because as good is gortat is he isn't a good fit...
He limits wall ability...Wall has to create for gortat...Wall is responsible for gortat production probably 70% of the time...
Wall is our center piece and he's need spacing to excel...
Our team Need spacing to succeed
Gortat isnt a problem on an individual level...he's good at alot of things...butut he's not great at the things we need

Good all around centers are hard to find...you're right...but he's not a top rebounder nor rim protecter he has great offensive efficiency but he's not an offensive center...

Gortat is good...bUT we don't have to the team for him...

You keep saying this, but you provide no proof at all.

Exactly what type of offense do you think John Wall is best-suited to run? Do you want him playing like James Harden and run isolation sets with 4 floor spacers around him? The problem is, John Wall is a lousy isolation player. We know this because we have horrible efficiency on last-second possessions even when we take our center off the floor. Inevitably, Wall settles for a pull-up 17-footer.

Do you want the offense to be Wall feeding the post and then spotting up on the perimeter to allow a one-on-one post player to go to work? Even if we had a post up center, that would be a waste of Wall's talents. It takes the ball out of Wall's hands and forces him to be a spot up shooter, something he's not good at. And if you haven't noticed, nobody in the NBA except Sacramento does a lot of low post isolation plays these days. It's too easy to defend since the NBA now allows zone defense.

If neither of these styles is ideal, then you want to run pick-and-roll or pick-and-pop. Pick and pop is only efficient if the pick man is a 3-point shooter a la Kevin Love/Ryan Anderson, and there are no centers in the league who shoot 3-pointers efficiently except perhaps Horford.

That leaves the pick-and-roll. Objectively, that seems like the best type of play to leverage Wall's assets. It gets Wall going toward the basket where he can finish with his superior size. It allows Wall to leverage his court vision to pass to the roll man or utilize the skip pass to set up the corner 3. All he needs is a good pick and roll center alongside him.

Fortunately, Gortat is an exceptional pick-and-roll player. Out of the top 25 players in roll attempts, Gortat ranks 1st in scoring efficiency. Among the top 50, he ranks 3rd (behind Whiteside and Jordan, who can't manage nearly as many attempts). As a team, the Wizards rank 8th in pick-and-roll efficiency, and that's almost exclusively due to Gortat.

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Post#1433 » by deneem4 » Thu Mar 17, 2016 2:50 pm

But we're losing! And gortat has been healthy most the whole season...guys keep saying how good an efficient gortat is but a focused nene gives us a better chance of winning
Wall barely attacks on the pick and roll with Gortatbecause gortat goes to the basket...gortat is a paint center he would be great if we had love, anderson or horford...but we dont...

We need to space our floor out...for the simple fact our offense revolves around a 1 dimensional bigman should tell you something...

We need to run a more open floor offense...gortat needs to learn how to operate in the post and I don't mean jus scoring but passing as well,
Nene does this to perfection when he wants...
Wall is a great slaher...so is Porter and beal but if we have gortat sitting in the paint, we render that useless...
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXX 

Post#1434 » by nate33 » Thu Mar 17, 2016 3:21 pm

deneem4 wrote:But we're losing! And gortat has been healthy most the whole season...guys keep saying how good an efficient gortat is but a focused nene gives us a better chance of winning
Wall barely attacks on the pick and roll with Gortatbecause gortat goes to the basket...gortat is a paint center he would be great if we had love, anderson or horford...but we dont...

We need to space our floor out...for the simple fact our offense revolves around a 1 dimensional bigman should tell you something...

We need to run a more open floor offense...gortat needs to learn how to operate in the post and I don't mean jus scoring but passing as well,
Nene does this to perfection when he wants...
Wall is a great slaher...so is Porter and beal but if we have gortat sitting in the paint, we render that useless...

We are losing, but you fail to explain why Gortat is the reason we are losing. I understand that you believe that this is the case, but you provide no rationale for why you believe it.

There's no reason why Gortat rolling to the basket should prevent Wall from attacking the basket. A well-run pick-and-roll is design specifically to facilitate this.

I'll also point out that Nene is a really good player... in spurts. The fact that the offense occasionally runs well with Nene doesn't mean that he should play over Gortat. The problem with Nene isn't his peak ability, it's his consistency and health. If we had "good Nene" all the time, he would be a top 5 center in this league.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXX 

Post#1435 » by deneem4 » Thu Mar 17, 2016 3:26 pm

nate33 wrote:
deneem4 wrote:But we're losing! And gortat has been healthy most the whole season...guys keep saying how good an efficient gortat is but a focused nene gives us a better chance of winning
Wall barely attacks on the pick and roll with Gortatbecause gortat goes to the basket...gortat is a paint center he would be great if we had love, anderson or horford...but we dont...

We need to space our floor out...for the simple fact our offense revolves around a 1 dimensional bigman should tell you something...

We need to run a more open floor offense...gortat needs to learn how to operate in the post and I don't mean jus scoring but passing as well,
Nene does this to perfection when he wants...
Wall is a great slaher...so is Porter and beal but if we have gortat sitting in the paint, we render that useless...

We are losing, but you fail to explain why Gortat is the reason we are losing. I understand that you believe that this is the case, but you provide no rationale for why you believe it.

There's no reason why Gortat rolling to the basket should prevent Wall from attacking the basket. A well-run pick-and-roll is design specifically to facilitate this.

I'll also point out that Nene is a really good player... in spurts. The fact that the offense occasionally runs well with Nene doesn't mean that he should play over Gortat. The problem with Nene isn't his peak ability, it's his consistency and health. If we had "good Nene" all the time, he would be a top 5 center in this league.


Because gortat limits our best overall offensive ability which is attacking the rim...
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXX 

Post#1436 » by dckingsfan » Thu Mar 17, 2016 3:30 pm

nate33 wrote:
deneem4 wrote:But we're losing! And gortat has been healthy most the whole season...guys keep saying how good an efficient gortat is but a focused nene gives us a better chance of winning
Wall barely attacks on the pick and roll with Gortatbecause gortat goes to the basket...gortat is a paint center he would be great if we had love, anderson or horford...but we dont...

We need to space our floor out...for the simple fact our offense revolves around a 1 dimensional bigman should tell you something...

We need to run a more open floor offense...gortat needs to learn how to operate in the post and I don't mean jus scoring but passing as well,
Nene does this to perfection when he wants...
Wall is a great slaher...so is Porter and beal but if we have gortat sitting in the paint, we render that useless...

We are losing, but you fail to explain why Gortat is the reason we are losing. I understand that you believe that this is the case, but you provide no rationale for why you believe it.

There's no reason why Gortat rolling to the basket should prevent Wall from attacking the basket. A well-run pick-and-roll is design specifically to facilitate this.

I'll also point out that Nene is a really good player... in spurts. The fact that the offense occasionally runs well with Nene doesn't mean that he should play over Gortat. The problem with Nene isn't his peak ability, it's his consistency and health. If we had "good Nene" all the time, he would be a top 5 center in this league.

Because he says - therefore it must be obvious :)
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXX 

Post#1437 » by nate33 » Thu Mar 17, 2016 3:31 pm

deneem4 wrote:
nate33 wrote:
deneem4 wrote:But we're losing! And gortat has been healthy most the whole season...guys keep saying how good an efficient gortat is but a focused nene gives us a better chance of winning
Wall barely attacks on the pick and roll with Gortatbecause gortat goes to the basket...gortat is a paint center he would be great if we had love, anderson or horford...but we dont...

We need to space our floor out...for the simple fact our offense revolves around a 1 dimensional bigman should tell you something...

We need to run a more open floor offense...gortat needs to learn how to operate in the post and I don't mean jus scoring but passing as well,
Nene does this to perfection when he wants...
Wall is a great slaher...so is Porter and beal but if we have gortat sitting in the paint, we render that useless...

We are losing, but you fail to explain why Gortat is the reason we are losing. I understand that you believe that this is the case, but you provide no rationale for why you believe it.

There's no reason why Gortat rolling to the basket should prevent Wall from attacking the basket. A well-run pick-and-roll is design specifically to facilitate this.

I'll also point out that Nene is a really good player... in spurts. The fact that the offense occasionally runs well with Nene doesn't mean that he should play over Gortat. The problem with Nene isn't his peak ability, it's his consistency and health. If we had "good Nene" all the time, he would be a top 5 center in this league.


Because gortat limits our best overall offensive ability which is attacking the rim...

Prove it.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXX 

Post#1438 » by dckingsfan » Thu Mar 17, 2016 3:31 pm

deneem4 wrote:He's not defensive as bogut or mosgov adams
He's not offensive as val or vuc kanter
Not a drummond dwight Whiteside jordan

He's doesn't benefit the rest of the guys on the floor with his production...we need versatility down there

What you are really saying is we have crap for a GM - could have had both Drummond and/or Whiteside.
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXX 

Post#1439 » by deneem4 » Thu Mar 17, 2016 3:37 pm

nate33 wrote:
deneem4 wrote:
nate33 wrote:We are losing, but you fail to explain why Gortat is the reason we are losing. I understand that you believe that this is the case, but you provide no rationale for why you believe it.

There's no reason why Gortat rolling to the basket should prevent Wall from attacking the basket. A well-run pick-and-roll is design specifically to facilitate this.

I'll also point out that Nene is a really good player... in spurts. The fact that the offense occasionally runs well with Nene doesn't mean that he should play over Gortat. The problem with Nene isn't his peak ability, it's his consistency and health. If we had "good Nene" all the time, he would be a top 5 center in this league.


Because gortat limits our best overall offensive ability which is attacking the rim...

Prove it.


U already did when you said nene can be a top 5 center in the league when healthy and consistent...
what does nene do better than gortat???
From what i can tell he operates out the post, plays a tougher defense and he simply more versatile...
Why would a healthy nene be a top 5 center and gortat isnt? (Serious question)
That answer would tell you how gortat limits us...seriously try to answer it...like I want your opinion
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Re: Official Trade Thread - Part XXX 

Post#1440 » by Dark Faze » Thu Mar 17, 2016 3:46 pm

Gortat is alright. He's on a good contract, no sign of slowing down really, good locker room guy. The main issue is we really need an equally good player alongside him at PF. Markieff isn't that.

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