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Re: RE: Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIII 

Post#1421 » by JWizmentality » Sun Jun 25, 2017 2:44 pm

gravytrain24 wrote:Just watched a video on CSN Mid Atlantic making the case to not resign Otto and make a run at Blake Griffin to show John Wall that they are serious about making a run and getting him pieces and it would change how the fan base would be next season. John would have a new alley oops partner, i guess he's a better defender than Keef but the price tag and injury risk concerns me. I'm sure a lot of people said the same thing about Brad tho. Thoughts?

Well, Brad somewhat managed to justify his contract, but he's still unclutch and not really a game changer. Would rather have Harden

Not a fan of Blake's game though.
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Post#1422 » by nate33 » Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:59 pm

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gravytrain24 wrote:Just watched a video on CSN Mid Atlantic making the case to not resign Otto and make a run at Blake Griffin to show John Wall that they are serious about making a run and getting him pieces and it would change how the fan base would be next season. John would have a new alley oops partner, i guess he's a better defender than Keef but the price tag and injury risk concerns me. I'm sure a lot of people said the same thing about Brad tho. Thoughts?

Well, Brad somewhat managed to justify his contract, but he's still unclutch and not really a game changer. Would rather have Harden

Not a fan of Blake's game though.

First of all, even if we let Porter walk, we wouldn't have the cap space to "make a run" at Blake Griffin. A Porter sign-and-trade is the only way to get Griffin.

Secondly, Porter over the next 4 years is likely to be a better player and a better fit than Griffin. Griffin looks like he peaked in his 4th season and has lost a step since.

Finally, even if we decided to trade Porter for another player, I'd much rather go after Paul George, Gordon Hayward, or Paul Millsap.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIII 

Post#1423 » by gambitx777 » Sun Jun 25, 2017 6:00 pm

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payitforward wrote:No Afflalo, please. Over the hill; not all that good at his peak.

Use the spot to build the future of the team.


Probably can't afford him unless he comes way down from $12M but let's keep track now. PIF likes, what 2-3 players in the league outside Otto Porter and hates everybody else that's available? Of course Afflalo is over the hill, which is why he's now a bench player, but is still is a pretty good 3-point shooter. Personally, I'd like a veteran wing, something we've needed for years. Not injury-prone Alan Anderson or slow-ass Marcus Thornton. Now if you can find a cheaper, younger Afflalo who is available, be my guest. There's a remote possibility he'd come here for cheap just to play for a decent team.

Afflalo has declined so much that he not getting paid that much any more. He would be a solid pick up for a team.like us on a 3-6 mill short term deal.

Oh and on Blake Griffin. What in God's name has Blake done that Otto hasn't other than get over paid and hurt all the time ? Nope I'm keeping Otto. Young healthier and still getting better Blake is gonna start peaking soon.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIII 

Post#1424 » by gambitx777 » Sun Jun 25, 2017 9:56 pm

3 team trade with philly and NYC?
Mahinmi to philly for cash considerations.
jason smith a 2018 seccond 2019 first and the rights to aaron white to NYC
Melo to the wiz ?
Might kill us int he tax but its only for a year or two and melo would help us and our bench since morris would be moved to the bench then we could figure out something with gortat.

I still like the idea of a three team for PG
philly gets mahinmi and 2018 second
indiana gets tomas, 2019 first 2021 first.
we get PG.

I still like gotat or mahinmi to bucks with the rights to Aaron White for John henson.

Also smith to the kings a long with cash for kofus makes a lot of sense for us too!
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIII 

Post#1425 » by montestewart » Mon Jun 26, 2017 12:30 am

gambitx777 wrote:3 team trade with philly and NYC?
Mahinmi to philly for cash considerations.
jason smith a 2018 seccond 2019 first and the rights to aaron white to NYC
Melo to the wiz ?
Might kill us int he tax but its only for a year or two and melo would help us and our bench since morris would be moved to the bench then we could figure out something with gortat.

I still like the idea of a three team for PG
philly gets mahinmi and 2018 second
indiana gets tomas, 2019 first 2021 first.
we get PG.

I still like gotat or mahinmi to bucks with the rights to Aaron White for John henson.

Also smith to the kings a long with cash for kofus makes a lot of sense for us too!

You can call me a Melo hater, but no on the first. I'm not even sure how Anthony's rapidly declining but still high-usage game would even fit into the current Wizards. The Paul George trade makes more sense, though I'm kind of leery about that acquisition too, as my PTSD tells me that either his game falls off a cliff or he becomes very dissatisfied and want to go somewhere else. Or both. At least in both trades the Wizards keep their 2018 1st. (I guess, or have they traded that away already?)
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIII 

Post#1426 » by gambitx777 » Mon Jun 26, 2017 12:43 am

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gambitx777 wrote:3 team trade with philly and NYC?
Mahinmi to philly for cash considerations.
jason smith a 2018 seccond 2019 first and the rights to aaron white to NYC
Melo to the wiz ?
Might kill us int he tax but its only for a year or two and melo would help us and our bench since morris would be moved to the bench then we could figure out something with gortat.

I still like the idea of a three team for PG
philly gets mahinmi and 2018 second
indiana gets tomas, 2019 first 2021 first.
we get PG.

I still like gotat or mahinmi to bucks with the rights to Aaron White for John henson.

Also smith to the kings a long with cash for kofus makes a lot of sense for us too!

You can call me a Melo hater, but no on the first. I'm not even sure how Anthony's rapidly declining but still high-usage game would even fit into the current Wizards. The Paul George trade makes more sense, though I'm kind of leery about that acquisition too, as my PTSD tells me that either his game falls off a cliff or he becomes very dissatisfied and want to go somewhere else. Or both. At least in both trades the Wizards keep their 2018 1st. (I guess, or have they traded that away already?)

Nope we currently own all of our future first round picks from 2018 out ward. we owe no future firsts. Seconds... the only one we have till 2021 is 2018.

At least for the PG trade it also increases the strength of our bench, Since we have tim now we won't loose a lot by moving tomas (i still love tomas to death) we keep kelly and move morris to the bench! Then we just need to sure up the center spots.

I mean IDK I think honestly PG would fit nice here playing with wall beal and otto! PG is pretty much a PF imo. Honestly thats not a bad haul for them either, two future picks cap space and a young PG. Toss in Aaron white if it helps. But look at the Jimmy buttler trade, that would be a better haul in all actuality.

ON melo, Honestly if you get melo, you play him off the bench as your main SF/PF back up he still gets about 30 minutes a game, I know people say you can't pay a bench player that much, but why the **** can't you? if hes willing? Which he would agree too when he waives his no trade clause. Like why not morris and his D should still start over melo. and melo could kill a bench unit. its an interesting 3 man rotation. or start him and bring morris off the bench, but still its interesting.
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Re: RE: Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIII 

Post#1427 » by DCZards » Mon Jun 26, 2017 1:38 am

JWizmentality wrote:Well, Brad somewhat managed to justify his contract, but he's still unclutch and not really a game changer. Would rather have Harden

Not a fan of Blake's game though.


Hey, why the dig at my boy BB? :) No doubt Harden is the better player. But at least Brad showed up in the two key final games of the Boston series, going for 33 pts. in one and 38 in the other--and shooting over 54% from the field in both games. What's more clutch than that? Meanwhile, Harden was a no-show at home in the 6th and deciding game against SA where he went 2-11 and scored 10 pts.
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Re: RE: Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIII 

Post#1428 » by payitforward » Mon Jun 26, 2017 1:07 pm

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gravytrain24 wrote:Just watched a video on CSN Mid Atlantic making the case to not resign Otto and make a run at Blake Griffin to show John Wall that they are serious about making a run and getting him pieces and it would change how the fan base would be next season. John would have a new alley oops partner, i guess he's a better defender than Keef but the price tag and injury risk concerns me. I'm sure a lot of people said the same thing about Brad tho. Thoughts?

Well, Brad somewhat managed to justify his contract, but he's still unclutch and not really a game changer. Would rather have Harden

Not a fan of Blake's game though.

First of all, even if we let Porter walk, we wouldn't have the cap space to "make a run" at Blake Griffin. A Porter sign-and-trade is the only way to get Griffin.

Secondly, Porter over the next 4 years is likely to be a better player and a better fit than Griffin. Griffin looks like he peaked in his 4th season and has lost a step since.

Finally, even if we decided to trade Porter for another player, I'd much rather go after Paul George, Gordon Hayward, or Paul Millsap.

Agree 100% w/ 1st & 2d points, but I would have no interest in trading Porter for Paul George or Millsap.

It's a little hard to compare Otto Porter & Gordon Hayward, b/c they are very different kinds of players -- though both extremely good, of course. Hayward is really a 2-3, whereas Otto is a 3-4.

I could see trading Porter for Hayward (i.e. straight up), although I don't think it would make us a better team. There just aren't enough shots available to take advantage of starting Wall/Beal/Hayward.

OTOH, it would be a no-brainer to trade Brad Beal for Gordon Hayward (assuming he could start at the 2, which I think he could).

No interest in trading for Blake Griffin.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIII 

Post#1429 » by payitforward » Mon Jun 26, 2017 1:12 pm

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montestewart wrote:
gambitx777 wrote:3 team trade with philly and NYC?
Mahinmi to philly for cash considerations.
jason smith a 2018 seccond 2019 first and the rights to aaron white to NYC
Melo to the wiz ?
Might kill us int he tax but its only for a year or two and melo would help us and our bench since morris would be moved to the bench then we could figure out something with gortat.

I still like the idea of a three team for PG
philly gets mahinmi and 2018 second
indiana gets tomas, 2019 first 2021 first.
we get PG.

I still like gotat or mahinmi to bucks with the rights to Aaron White for John henson.

Also smith to the kings a long with cash for kofus makes a lot of sense for us too!

You can call me a Melo hater, but no on the first. I'm not even sure how Anthony's rapidly declining but still high-usage game would even fit into the current Wizards. The Paul George trade makes more sense, though I'm kind of leery about that acquisition too, as my PTSD tells me that either his game falls off a cliff or he becomes very dissatisfied and want to go somewhere else. Or both. At least in both trades the Wizards keep their 2018 1st. (I guess, or have they traded that away already?)

Nope we currently own all of our future first round picks from 2018 out ward. we owe no future firsts. Seconds... the only one we have till 2021 is 2018.

At least for the PG trade it also increases the strength of our bench, Since we have tim now we won't loose a lot by moving tomas (i still love tomas to death) we keep kelly and move morris to the bench! Then we just need to sure up the center spots.

I mean IDK I think honestly PG would fit nice here playing with wall beal and otto! PG is pretty much a PF imo. Honestly thats not a bad haul for them either, two future picks cap space and a young PG. Toss in Aaron white if it helps. But look at the Jimmy buttler trade, that would be a better haul in all actuality.

ON melo, Honestly if you get melo, you play him off the bench as your main SF/PF back up he still gets about 30 minutes a game, I know people say you can't pay a bench player that much, but why the **** can't you? if hes willing? Which he would agree too when he waives his no trade clause. Like why not morris and his D should still start over melo. and melo could kill a bench unit. its an interesting 3 man rotation. or start him and bring morris off the bench, but still its interesting.

It's not about paying that much to a guy who doesn't start, it's about the fact that Carmelo Anthony isn't all that good any more. He would not make us a better team. Names don't make you better. Only production makes you better.

Carmelo is an inefficient producer at this point in his career. He was never great, as a matter of fact, never as good as his tons of points (& shots) made him seem to many, though certainly he was a very very good player. By now, however, he isn't.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIII 

Post#1430 » by Rafael122 » Mon Jun 26, 2017 1:37 pm

gravytrain24 wrote:Just watched a video on CSN Mid Atlantic making the case to not resign Otto and make a run at Blake Griffin to show John Wall that they are serious about making a run and getting him pieces and it would change how the fan base would be next season. John would have a new alley oops partner, i guess he's a better defender than Keef but the price tag and injury risk concerns me. I'm sure a lot of people said the same thing about Brad tho. Thoughts?


They had Doc Walker, a football guy, on for this segment. It's segments like these that do the fans a disservice. There's no realistic way to get Blake Griffin, why even talk about it? It's fodder for the casual fan that knows nothing about the salary cap.
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Post#1431 » by nate33 » Mon Jun 26, 2017 2:02 pm

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nate33 wrote:First of all, even if we let Porter walk, we wouldn't have the cap space to "make a run" at Blake Griffin. A Porter sign-and-trade is the only way to get Griffin.

Secondly, Porter over the next 4 years is likely to be a better player and a better fit than Griffin. Griffin looks like he peaked in his 4th season and has lost a step since.

Finally, even if we decided to trade Porter for another player, I'd much rather go after Paul George, Gordon Hayward, or Paul Millsap.

Agree 100% w/ 1st & 2d points, but I would have no interest in trading Porter for Paul George or Millsap.

To be clear, I'm not advocating for such a trade either. I'm just saying any of those guys would be preferable to Blake Griffin. (Well, perhaps not Millsap given his age, but I'm assuming the asking price for Millsap is much lower than Griffin.)
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Re: RE: Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIII 

Post#1432 » by JWizmentality » Mon Jun 26, 2017 4:34 pm

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JWizmentality wrote:Well, Brad somewhat managed to justify his contract, but he's still unclutch and not really a game changer. Would rather have Harden

Not a fan of Blake's game though.


Hey, why the dig at my boy BB? :) No doubt Harden is the better player. But at least Brad showed up in the two key final games of the Boston series, going for 33 pts. in one and 38 in the other--and shooting over 54% from the field in both games. What's more clutch than that? Meanwhile, Harden was a no-show at home in the 6th and deciding game against SA where he went 2-11 and scored 10 pts.


BB played well but it's the FT line air ball that sticks in my craw. Harden had a rough stint but let's not act like BB doesn't go through some god awful mental breakdowns where he can't even dribble the ball. And if given the option to do over that time Houston was reportedly offering us Harden for Beal. I pull that trigger 10 out of 10. He's also still streaky af with his 3pt shot. He just incorporated shooting off the screen with it, so I'll give him a pass for now. That will improve.

Needs to be more focused mentally though.
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Re: RE: Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIII 

Post#1433 » by JWizmentality » Mon Jun 26, 2017 4:37 pm

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gravytrain24 wrote:Just watched a video on CSN Mid Atlantic making the case to not resign Otto and make a run at Blake Griffin to show John Wall that they are serious about making a run and getting him pieces and it would change how the fan base would be next season. John would have a new alley oops partner, i guess he's a better defender than Keef but the price tag and injury risk concerns me. I'm sure a lot of people said the same thing about Brad tho. Thoughts?

Well, Brad somewhat managed to justify his contract, but he's still unclutch and not really a game changer. Would rather have Harden

Not a fan of Blake's game though.

First of all, even if we let Porter walk, we wouldn't have the cap space to "make a run" at Blake Griffin. A Porter sign-and-trade is the only way to get Griffin.

Secondly, Porter over the next 4 years is likely to be a better player and a better fit than Griffin. Griffin looks like he peaked in his 4th season and has lost a step since.

Finally, even if we decided to trade Porter for another player, I'd much rather go after Paul George, Gordon Hayward, or Paul Millsap.


I know, why you coming at me bro? I was talking about my fav punching bag Beal.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIII 

Post#1434 » by gambitx777 » Mon Jun 26, 2017 4:50 pm

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montestewart wrote:You can call me a Melo hater, but no on the first. I'm not even sure how Anthony's rapidly declining but still high-usage game would even fit into the current Wizards. The Paul George trade makes more sense, though I'm kind of leery about that acquisition too, as my PTSD tells me that either his game falls off a cliff or he becomes very dissatisfied and want to go somewhere else. Or both. At least in both trades the Wizards keep their 2018 1st. (I guess, or have they traded that away already?)

Nope we currently own all of our future first round picks from 2018 out ward. we owe no future firsts. Seconds... the only one we have till 2021 is 2018.

At least for the PG trade it also increases the strength of our bench, Since we have tim now we won't loose a lot by moving tomas (i still love tomas to death) we keep kelly and move morris to the bench! Then we just need to sure up the center spots.

I mean IDK I think honestly PG would fit nice here playing with wall beal and otto! PG is pretty much a PF imo. Honestly thats not a bad haul for them either, two future picks cap space and a young PG. Toss in Aaron white if it helps. But look at the Jimmy buttler trade, that would be a better haul in all actuality.

ON melo, Honestly if you get melo, you play him off the bench as your main SF/PF back up he still gets about 30 minutes a game, I know people say you can't pay a bench player that much, but why the **** can't you? if hes willing? Which he would agree too when he waives his no trade clause. Like why not morris and his D should still start over melo. and melo could kill a bench unit. its an interesting 3 man rotation. or start him and bring morris off the bench, but still its interesting.

It's not about paying that much to a guy who doesn't start, it's about the fact that Carmelo Anthony isn't all that good any more. He would not make us a better team. Names don't make you better. Only production makes you better.

Carmelo is an inefficient producer at this point in his career. He was never great, as a matter of fact, never as good as his tons of points (& shots) made him seem to many, though certainly he was a very very good player. By now, however, he isn't.

Is he better than Chris McCulloh and bogz ? Who he would be replacing ? I think the answer to that is yes, so he is an upgrade. Plus he can change his play style coming off the bench a bit
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIII 

Post#1435 » by gambitx777 » Mon Jun 26, 2017 4:53 pm

Yo I would sign kj mcdainels for some depth in a heart beat for the right deal
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Post#1436 » by nate33 » Mon Jun 26, 2017 5:09 pm

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JWizmentality wrote:Well, Brad somewhat managed to justify his contract, but he's still unclutch and not really a game changer. Would rather have Harden

Not a fan of Blake's game though.

First of all, even if we let Porter walk, we wouldn't have the cap space to "make a run" at Blake Griffin. A Porter sign-and-trade is the only way to get Griffin.

Secondly, Porter over the next 4 years is likely to be a better player and a better fit than Griffin. Griffin looks like he peaked in his 4th season and has lost a step since.

Finally, even if we decided to trade Porter for another player, I'd much rather go after Paul George, Gordon Hayward, or Paul Millsap.


I know, why you coming at me bro? I was talking about my fav punching bag Beal.

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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIII 

Post#1437 » by nate33 » Mon Jun 26, 2017 5:23 pm

gambitx777 wrote:Yo I would sign kj mcdainels for some depth in a heart beat for the right deal


Good idea. He can't shoot, but the man can D up. Interestingly, despite being a terrible 3PT shooter (.290 so far in his career), he is a good FT shooter. He has shot .824 from the FT line from his 2nd season onward. He is only 24. I wonder if he could improve that 3-point shot while camping out in the corner and benefitting from the open looks that Wall typically provides.

I'd love to have him for the vet minimum.
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIII 

Post#1438 » by gambitx777 » Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:04 pm

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gambitx777 wrote:Yo I would sign kj mcdainels for some depth in a heart beat for the right deal


Good idea. He can't shoot, but the man can D up. Interestingly, despite being a terrible 3PT shooter (.290 so far in his career), he is a good FT shooter. He has shot .824 from the FT line from his 2nd season onward. He is only 24. I wonder if he could improve that 3-point shot while camping out in the corner and benefitting from the open looks that Wall typically provides.

I'd love to have him for the vet minimum.

KJ is that type of dude you take a flyer on because he has that really serviceable skill. Shooting is something that can be improved, So, sign that man to cheep contract something like 2-4 mill a year and see what he can work on. We clearly need bench defense, Can you imagine a D line up of tomas, KJ and Kelley off the bench. Shut down everything!
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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIII 

Post#1439 » by long suffrin' boulez fan » Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:32 pm

With the July 1st FA period about to start, who knows what our brilliant leader is prepared to do.

Most likely an overpriced vet without a really useful skillset.

My wish list (and the Terp lover in me hates myself for saying this) starts with Reddick because at least, you know, he has one basic skill that happens to correspond with what we need...and no, that skill set is not "being annoying."

What would it take to get him? He wants to move on from his 4 yr, $27MM contract.

What would it take? Three years, $27MM?

Would the Wiz go into Lux tax territory for him? Would he move the needle at all?

Wall, Frazier, Sato
Beal, Reddick, Mac
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MM, Smith
MG, Mahinmi

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Re: Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXIII 

Post#1440 » by gambitx777 » Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:47 pm

Honestly Piff has said it once, with Jennings, burke, thronton and Nicholson go our bench is already better.

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