Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVI

[queridiculo]

I did not realize Otto could opt out after next season. Baring injury he certainly will. Have to get a competent GM in here to spend Ted’s money.

Eh, I wouldn't be so sure that Porter is going to opt out.

If his development stagnates he'll be hard pressed getting a starting salary anywhere close to what he will be making in the final year of his deal, and given his relatively tender age there's almost no upside to become a free agent one year earlier.

If he becomes completely disillusioned with the direction of the team and his roll on it, this could obviously change.

[nate33]

I did not realize Otto could opt out after next season. Baring injury he certainly will. Have to get a competent GM in here to spend Ted’s money.

Otto won the lottery, rest assure he opts in unfortunately. Guy reminds me so much of a Calbert Cheaney, just sort of stands there half the time. Then has a few teaser games to show you what he can do when he gets fired up.

Just doesn’t have the personality.

I saw someone else make this comparison on twitter and its absolutely ridiculous. Otto is by far the better player. It's not even up for the debate.

They're really nothing alike at all. If anything, Cheaney is more like Beal in his first 2-3 years. He loved the midrange game and generally couldn't do much off the bounce. The big difference is that Beal at least had 3-point range.

[nate33]

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I would do this in a second. Hell, I'd do it without the pick.

I wouldn't. Aaron Gordon is meh. I'm not interested in re-arranging deck chairs plus having to see a motivated Wall a couple of times a year.

To trade Wall in the division I'd want to things:

A 2019 unprotected pick
Jonathan Issac

Aaron Gordon is pretty darn good whenever they let him play power forward. He is meh at small forward. He is also just 23.

I'd do Prada's trade. But I'd try to finagle it so there is less protection on the pick, even if we have to give a little more.

How about Wall + Morris for Gordon + Simmons + top 3 protected pick?

[barelyawake]

From my perspective, Wall has learned the wrong habits because of our coach and our GM (not getting a star with leadership skills in the paint). That has taught Wall to try to do too much himself. That was the problem five years ago. That was the problem three games ago. Is it too late to fix? Well, let’s try to actually give Wall the tools he needs, for once, and actually go “all in,” for once. Howard is the first part of that.

Cleveland is about to have a fire sale of players who have championship experience, including one with leadership skills who is a mobile PF/center who is used to catching and slamming alleys from LeBron during moments when his team is sputtering and under pressure to get a basket.

How can this front office be so bad at constructing a team from a fit perspective? How can you understand so little about group dynamics and playing to the strengths of your players?

PS Cleveland will be giving away players for a little salary break (one less year let’s say) or second round picks. JR, Korver, Tristan and Love. All available. All could be useful for us given the right trade. I understand we have to worry about the tax. But, maybe consider that winning increases trade value. So, we can ride a player and deal him later.

[payitforward]

Otto won the lottery, rest assure he opts in unfortunately. Guy reminds me so much of a Calbert Cheaney, just sort of stands there half the time. Then has a few teaser games to show you what he can do when he gets fired up.

Just doesn’t have the personality.

I saw someone else make this comparison on twitter and its absolutely ridiculous. Otto is by far the better player. It's not even up for the debate.

Agreed. It's amazing how much room fans give Wall & Beal to have sub-par stretches. Otto has a couple of off weeks, & suddenly he's Calbert Cheaney.

Otto Porter is the last guy on this team I'd want to trade.

[pcbothwel]

Wiz trade Mahinmi, Porter, Bryant to Sac

Sac sends: Randolph, Shumpert, Koufous, Giles

Gets Wiz under tax this year and frees up cap space for next year. Wiz get a good young big prospect in Giles.

Ehhh, If we move Porter to cut cost then its not worth the additional cost to dump Mahinmi.

Keep it simple. Porter & Smith for Shump, Koufos, Giles, Top 12 protected 2020 1st (Becomes Best 2020 2nd & Best 2021 2nd).

Another deal could be Rivers, Smith,& Oubre for Koufos & Ferrell.

Not sure either are my best iterations, but both are feasible.

I would do it but we don’t have our 19 so can’t send you our 2020 1st. Could send a number of seconds however.

Not sure why you wouldn’t want to dump Mahinmi for Randolph?

Done. Your trade plus the best 2nd in each of 2020 & 2021.

[queridiculo]

From my perspective, Wall has learned the wrong habits because of our coach and our GM (not getting a star with leadership skills in the paint). That has taught Wall to try to do too much himself. That was the problem five years ago. That was the problem three games ago. Is it too late to fix? Well, let’s try to actually give Wall the tools he needs, for once, and actually go “all in,” for once. Howard is the first part is that.

Cleveland is about to have a fire sale of players who have championship experience, including one with leadership skills who is a mobile PF/center who is used to catching and slamming alleys from LeBron during moments when his team is sputtering and under pressure to get a basket.

How can this front office be so bad at constructing a team from a fit perspective? How can you understand so little about group dynamics and playing to the strengths of your players?

PS Cleveland will be giving away players for a little salary break (one less year let’s say) or second round picks. JR, Korver, Tristan and Love. All available. All could be useful for us given the right trade. I understand we have to worry about the tax. But, maybe consider that winning increases trade value. So, we can ride a player and deal him later.

WAS: Oubre, Morris, Rivers, conditional first
CLE: Love

Nevermind, there are rumors floating that Kevin Love may miss the rest of the season, and that contract is quite the humdinger.

[Induveca]

Otto won the lottery, rest assure he opts in unfortunately. Guy reminds me so much of a Calbert Cheaney, just sort of stands there half the time. Then has a few teaser games to show you what he can do when he gets fired up.

Just doesn’t have the personality.

I saw someone else make this comparison on twitter and its absolutely ridiculous. Otto is by far the better player. It's not even up for the debate.

They're really nothing alike at all. If anything, Cheaney is more like Beal in his first 2-3 years. He loved the midrange game and generally couldn't do much off the bounce. The big difference is that Beal at least had 3-point range.

It’s more their vibe, they are different eras. The “nice guy” “cerebral” and “shooter” / lack of a killer instinct / nearly all shots deep jumpers (different era). I wish we had the jump shot stats back then.

The earliest full season for Cheaney the guy took roughly 60% of his shots (at volume) between 16 feet and the 3 point line. That’s the vibe I remember.

But point taken.

[nate33]

let’s try to actually give Wall the tools he needs, for once, and actually go “all in,” for once.

That sounds great in theory, but the problem is we literally have nothing to offer in a trade except Brown and future picks. Going further into the tax is just not an option, the financial costs are too high. And I'll say it before PIF jumps in: we can't keep sacrificing future picks in win-now deals because it's those picks that give us the cheap players - players we need on the roster so we don't have to keep trading even more picks to save salary.

[trast66]

I did not realize Otto could opt out after next season. Baring injury he certainly will. Have to get a competent GM in here to spend Ted’s money.

Eh, I wouldn't be so sure that Porter is going to opt out.

If his development stagnates he'll be hard pressed getting a starting salary anywhere close to what he will be making in the final year of his deal, and given his relatively tender age there's almost no upside to become a free agent one year earlier.

If he becomes completely disillusioned with the direction of the team and his roll on it, this could obviously change.

I'm an admitted Otto fanboy, but no way he plays on basically a 1 year deal, will want long term deal. This is not Jason Smith we are talking about. I think this board materially underrates Otto and Kelly's market value. EG as well or he would not have let the Nets set Otto's value or whoever is going to compensate Kelly as a RFA. Again, I'm in the tank for Otto, but that's how I see his market.

[barelyawake]

let’s try to actually give Wall the tools he needs, for once, and actually go “all in,” for once.

That sounds great in theory, but the problem is we literally have nothing to offer in a trade except Brown and future picks. Going further into the tax is just not an option, the financial costs are too high. And I'll say it before PIF jumps in: we can't keep sacrificing future picks in win-now deals because it's those picks that give us the cheap players - players we need on the roster so we don't have to keep trading even more picks to save salary.

We have plenty to trade, for the right deal. Tristan is not going to cost much. And yes, trading future picks means we give up future cheap players. Balance that against the plummeting trade value of our current players (when losing); the cheap vets who clamor to winning teams; and the increased trade value of winning players. How much more would we get for Otto if we were a winning franchise currently?

We also have to think addition by subtraction. Which players off the team would heal the locker room? Which players in their place would help heal the chemistry? Which players if traded (Rivers) would be replaced by better players on our bench, thus making them happier and upping their trade value?

We need a mobile big with leadership skills. I’d love for that to be MIllsap or a Gasol, but Tristan will do. But, it needs to happen for this team to live up to potential. That potential will be higher with Howard, but it will still be decreasing from what it could have been with the type of player I, and Wall, has been begging for. We can go a little deeper into the tax, next year, if we get value back that will push our talent to higher trade levels. Then, after winning, deal with the tax — at Allstar or during the off-season. That is going all in.

[Dat2U]

let’s try to actually give Wall the tools he needs, for once, and actually go “all in,” for once.

That sounds great in theory, but the problem is we literally have nothing to offer in a trade except Brown and future picks. Going further into the tax is just not an option, the financial costs are too high. And I'll say it before PIF jumps in: we can't keep sacrificing future picks in win-now deals because it's those picks that give us the cheap players - players we need on the roster so we don't have to keep trading even more picks to save salary.

We have plenty to trade, for the right deal. Tristan is not going to cost much. And yes, trading future picks means we give up future cheap players. Balance that against the plummeting trade value of our current players (when losing); the cheap vets who clamor to winning teams; and the increased trade value of winning players. How much more would we get for Otto if we were a winning franchise currently?

We also have to think addition by subtraction. Which players off the team would heal the locker room? Which players in their place would help heal the chemistry? Which players if traded (Rivers) would be replaced by better players on our bench, thus making them happier and upping their trade value?

We need a mobile big with leadership skills. I’d love for that to be MIllsap or a Gasol, but Tristan will do. But, it needs to happen for this team to live up to potential. That potential will be higher with Howard, but it will still be decreasing from what it could have been with the type of player I, and Wall, has been begging for. We can go a little deeper into the tax, next year, if we get value back that will push our talent to higher trade levels. Then, after winning, deal with the tax — at Allstar or during the off-season. That is going all in.

It's tough to be optimistic with this coach. I just dont see it. This is a guy that will happily trot out an all bench lineup in the playoffs until its thoroughly been proven it's a horrific idea. I'm often stunned at what he apparently doesn't see (or maybe what he's indifferent to).

[barelyawake]

True Dat.

[badinage]

Wall to PHX for Elie Okobo, Josh Jackson, and their 2019 first-round pick.

That would give us a quick retool.

I’d possibly accompany that with a Porter trade, but only if it fetched the right player.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I did not realize Otto could opt out after next season. Baring injury he certainly will. Have to get a competent GM in here to spend Ted’s money.

Otto won the lottery, rest assure he opts in unfortunately. Guy reminds me so much of a Calbert Cheaney, just sort of stands there half the time. Then has a few teaser games to show you what he can do when he gets fired up.

Just doesn’t have the personality.

I saw someone else make this comparison on twitter and its absolutely ridiculous. Otto is by far the better player. It's not even up for the debate.

Better but similar in not taking over games

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[Sactowndog]

Wall to PHX for Elie Okobo, Josh Jackson, and their 2019 first-round pick.

That would give us a quick retool.

I’d possibly accompany that with a Porter trade, but only if it fetched the right player.

Did you try this trade in a trade checker? Phoenix over the cap.

[Ruzious]

Wall to PHX for Elie Okobo, Josh Jackson, and their 2019 first-round pick.

That would give us a quick retool.

I’d possibly accompany that with a Porter trade, but only if it fetched the right player.

Did you try this trade in a trade checker? Phoenix over the cap.

Wiz would have to take either Anderson or Ariza.

[barelyawake]

DId I miss someone suggesting Becky to be our new coach? That’s brilliant. That’s so brilliant we ought to have done it already. The league and media want to make us the bad boys? For several reasons, I like the story of us with Becky at the mic. And of course, she has Pop training, so I love her already.

Get us Becky and Tristan (or better). Stat!

[Dat2U]

Wall to PHX for Elie Okobo, Josh Jackson, and their 2019 first-round pick.

That would give us a quick retool.

I’d possibly accompany that with a Porter trade, but only if it fetched the right player.

Did you try this trade in a trade checker? Phoenix over the cap.

Wiz would have to take either Anderson or Ariza.

So apparently the Wizards would have fork over a 15% lump sum trade kicker to Wall If he's traded before the offseason?



Only Ernie could do that!

I think we can pause on the Wall trades, at least till the offseason.

[Ruzious]

Did you try this trade in a trade checker? Phoenix over the cap.

Wiz would have to take either Anderson or Ariza.

So apparently the Wizards would have fork over a 15% lump sum trade kicker to Wall If he's traded before the offseason?



Only Ernie could do that!

I think we can pause on the Wall trades, at least till the offseason.

Otoh, that might be more than offset by not having to pay Wall's 170 million over the next 4 seasons. Either way, I think it's unlikely Wall's going to be traded this season.