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Re: 2019 Offseason Thread 

Post#1421 » by Illmatic12 » Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:01 am

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doclinkin wrote:Bradley Beal is such a quality guy. I love that he is committed to working with young players in his AAU affiliation. I honestly would appreciate it if he were more involved in the front office, and all the way down to the G league, or even sponsoring an AAU team and camps under the umbrella of the Wizards. He’s a basketball Lifer and I hope he has influence over the team even well past his playing years. Good guy. Plays the right way. Good head on his shoulders. Loyal. Mindset that his team is his family.

If Beal continues to show loyalty and stays in DC longterm, Ted will give him involvement in the front office if he wants it.

I wouldn’t be surprised if that came up in their meeting before the trade deadline. Leonsis may have even put possible part ownership on the table for Brad. He can be a Paul Pierce of this generation and stick it out with his franchise through the ups and downs.


That would be the silliest thing this franchise has ever done if that were true.

Stop fawning over these players. They are chess pieces. NO, they should not be involved in front office moves, or given ownership stake in the team. Stop the mom-and-pop nonsense.

Tell Ted Leonsis, not me.

He clearly has certain principles in how he runs his sports franchises .. for better or worse
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Re: 2019 Offseason Thread 

Post#1422 » by doclinkin » Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:36 am

TGW wrote:That would be the silliest thing this franchise has ever done if that were true.

Stop fawning over these players. They are chess pieces. NO, they should not be involved in front office moves, or given ownership stake in the team. Stop the mom-and-pop nonsense.


Silliest. This franchise had MJ as GM. And Wes Unseld. You could do worse in promoting players within the organization than Beal. And we have.


But cool. No former players should have a role in any franchise. This organization is contemplating Danny Ferry. But alright. Rule him out. And Jerry West. And Phil Jackson never should’ve coached. Much less Steve Kerr. Or Pat Riley. Or hell anyone in the Spurs organization. Hall of Fame coach John Thompson never should have coached since he was a former player. Players should do what they are told and shut the hell up.

Basically: who tf are you? In the off-season Beal already is running an AAU squad and coaching teams. Why? It’s not like he makes money off it. He’s got no slice of a shoe company. He’s been playing in international ball since he was in the U-16 league. Maybe earlier for all I know. Has been on the Olympic training squad. Been invited to Team USA. Has been acknowledged by coaches in international ball as being one of the smartest youngest players in the international game. And here has been a Pro since he was 19 and is a two time all star who plays a complete game on both ends of the floor. But somehow you’re smarter than him about basketball and he shouldn’t add his opinion to the mix when he outgrows his role as a player.

Put plain. You’re an idiot. Or you play one on the internet. There are players who have insight and dedication to the game beyond the 48 minutes on the court and a few hours practice per week. Teams like the Spurs consistently promote from within and allow input and insight from personnel at all levels. Listen to Beal break down teams in the WNBA for fuksakes. He follows the game at all levels. To assume he had nothing to add to the team beyond dribbling and shooting a ball is a waste. And makes it easier to dismiss your opinion than his.
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Re: 2019 Offseason Thread 

Post#1423 » by Dat2U » Thu Jun 27, 2019 9:18 am

We can all be classified as idiots by simply being Washington Wizards fans.
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Re: 2019 Offseason Thread 

Post#1424 » by doclinkin » Thu Jun 27, 2019 12:00 pm

Dat2U wrote:We can all be classified as idiots by simply being Washington Wizards fans.


True fact.
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Re: 2019 Offseason Thread 

Post#1425 » by Ruzious » Thu Jun 27, 2019 12:39 pm

Knicks have renounced their rights to Emanual Mudiay - to clear his free agent cap hold of $12,883,440 off their books. It might make more sense for the Wiz to sign him rather than Sato. Mudiay's 5 years younger than Sato and took a big step up last season after being switched to a combo guard type position, and there's a lot more potential there. I think he'd fit nicely with Beal. His 3 point shooting was 36.4% after the all-star break, so he has the makings of being a decent 3 ball shooter.
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Re: 2019 Offseason Thread 

Post#1426 » by dckingsfan » Thu Jun 27, 2019 12:55 pm

No QO to Dekker yet - interesting...
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Re: 2019 Offseason Thread 

Post#1427 » by Dark Faze » Thu Jun 27, 2019 1:05 pm

Ruzious wrote:Knicks have renounced their rights to Emanual Mudiay - to clear his free agent cap hold of $12,883,440 off their books. It might make more sense for the Wiz to sign him rather than Sato. Mudiay's 5 years younger than Sato and took a big step up last season after being switched to a combo guard type position, and there's a lot more potential there. I think he'd fit nicely with Beal. His 3 point shooting was 36.4% after the all-star break, so he has the makings of being a decent 3 ball shooter.


Would prefer Sato so long as the cost isn't too high. Provides too much versatility--wing/combo guard/lead guard in the lineup. Arguably our best defender at the moment.
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Re: 2019 Offseason Thread 

Post#1428 » by Ruzious » Thu Jun 27, 2019 1:07 pm

dckingsfan wrote:No QO to Dekker yet - interesting...

Probably not a good sign for him. I think the Wiz made the right decision on Randle - he got the thumbs down. https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/basketball/news/wizards-chasson-randle-not-receiving-qualifying-offer/
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Re: 2019 Offseason Thread 

Post#1429 » by TGW » Thu Jun 27, 2019 1:09 pm

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TGW wrote:That would be the silliest thing this franchise has ever done if that were true.

Stop fawning over these players. They are chess pieces. NO, they should not be involved in front office moves, or given ownership stake in the team. Stop the mom-and-pop nonsense.


Silliest. This franchise had MJ as GM. And Wes Unseld. You could do worse in promoting players within the organization than Beal. And we have.


But cool. No former players should have a role in any franchise. This organization is contemplating Danny Ferry. But alright. Rule him out. And Jerry West. And Phil Jackson never should’ve coached. Much less Steve Kerr. Or Pat Riley. Or hell anyone in the Spurs organization. Hall of Fame coach John Thompson never should have coached since he was a former player. Players should do what they are told and shut the hell up.

Basically: who tf are you? In the off-season Beal already is running an AAU squad and coaching teams. Why? It’s not like he makes money off it. He’s got no slice of a shoe company. He’s been playing in international ball since he was in the U-16 league. Maybe earlier for all I know. Has been on the Olympic training squad. Been invited to Team USA. Has been acknowledged by coaches in international ball as being one of the smartest youngest players in the international game. And here has been a Pro since he was 19 and is a two time all star who plays a complete game on both ends of the floor. But somehow you’re smarter than him about basketball and he shouldn’t add his opinion to the mix when he outgrows his role as a player.

Put plain. You’re an idiot. Or you play one on the internet. There are players who have insight and dedication to the game beyond the 48 minutes on the court and a few hours practice per week. Teams like the Spurs consistently promote from within and allow input and insight from personnel at all levels. Listen to Beal break down teams in the WNBA for fuksakes. He follows the game at all levels. To assume he had nothing to add to the team beyond dribbling and shooting a ball is a waste. And makes it easier to dismiss your opinion than his.


Yea it's silly, just like the MJ and Unseld era. But that's apples and oranges, bruh. MJ and Wes were retired execs when they were GMs, not active players (well, with MJ, yea he played, but it was a silly situation that should have never happened).

And you're missing the point entirely. I never said Beal couldn't coach or spot talent, I said he shouldn't FOR THIS TEAM. It's stupid. He's not a part of the front office or coaching staff, and he shouldn't be. He's a cog, that can be replaced at any moment. He's not an employee of the Washington Wizards, he's an employee of the National Basketball Association. He's as useful to the Wizards as the length of his contract, which can be traded on the open market.

No other team would do dumb **** like give a player ownership in the team. The Cavs contemplated doing it with Lebron, and he's in LA now.

Again, quit with the mom-n-pop bull. It makes the Wizards, as an organization, look desperate.
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Re: 2019 Offseason Thread 

Post#1430 » by Ruzious » Thu Jun 27, 2019 1:24 pm

Dark Faze wrote:
Ruzious wrote:Knicks have renounced their rights to Emanual Mudiay - to clear his free agent cap hold of $12,883,440 off their books. It might make more sense for the Wiz to sign him rather than Sato. Mudiay's 5 years younger than Sato and took a big step up last season after being switched to a combo guard type position, and there's a lot more potential there. I think he'd fit nicely with Beal. His 3 point shooting was 36.4% after the all-star break, so he has the makings of being a decent 3 ball shooter.


Would prefer Sato so long as the cost isn't too high. Provides too much versatility--wing/combo guard/lead guard in the lineup. Arguably our best defender at the moment.

Right now, Sato's probably a little better, but given that he's 28 while Mudiay is 23, and with Mudiay having a much higher upside, I'd go with Mudiay if the costs the same - and I think Mudiay will actually be a bit cheaper. Sato's stats were a bit in decline last season - PER going from 15.4 to 14.1 and TS% from from .615 to .590. Mudiay's PER went from 11.5 to 14.6 and TS% from .474 to .531. And he has that same versatility Sato has. He's a physical specimen and even has a bit more length than Sato. Remember, early scouting reports on Mudiay were that he had a chance to be the first pick in the 2015 draft - before he got an injury in China that sidelined him for 3 months. https://www.nbadraft.net/players/emmanuel-mudiay
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Re: 2019 Offseason Thread 

Post#1431 » by DCZards » Thu Jun 27, 2019 1:25 pm

payitforward wrote:Honestly, whatever the market is, I just do not understand why we should have any interest in Jabari Parker. He's certainly not any kind of productivity bargain at $8-10m.

I really don't think I have some kind of blind spot -- e.g. I don't dislike the guy. But, along with whatever he does that's good comes everything else he does. You don't get one without the other. Of course, a person can imagine getting the good from Jabari, while he sheds the bad stuff. But, there's no more reason for it to go down in that way than for him to do more of the bad & less of the good.

Jabari's not new to the league. He's played over 7300 minutes. Milwaukee didn't give him a qualifying offer. Chicago couldn't wait to get rid of him after only a few months. Are we going to be the ones who double down on Jabari Parker? Because we have such a stable franchise?

With Parker, like with most NBA players, you have to be willing to accept the good with the bad. His rebounding and defense are below average, and he turns the ball over way too much. But he can score the ball in a variety of ways and that's a valuable and desirable skill.

The question is how much should the Zards--or any team-- be willing to pay Jabari with the understanding of what he does well and what he doesn't do well. I'm guessing Jabari will get in the $6-$10 mil range.

Jabari is just 24 years old. If he stays healthy, gets in shape, and puts in the work there's no reason why he can't improve as a basketball player. I'd welcome Parker back at the right price.

BTW, the Bucks did give Jabari a qualifying offer, which both sides agreed to rescind so that he could become an unrestricted free agent and sign with the Bulls.
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Re: 2019 Offseason Thread 

Post#1432 » by dckingsfan » Thu Jun 27, 2019 1:51 pm

Ruzious wrote:
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Ruzious wrote:Knicks have renounced their rights to Emanual Mudiay - to clear his free agent cap hold of $12,883,440 off their books. It might make more sense for the Wiz to sign him rather than Sato. Mudiay's 5 years younger than Sato and took a big step up last season after being switched to a combo guard type position, and there's a lot more potential there. I think he'd fit nicely with Beal. His 3 point shooting was 36.4% after the all-star break, so he has the makings of being a decent 3 ball shooter.


Would prefer Sato so long as the cost isn't too high. Provides too much versatility--wing/combo guard/lead guard in the lineup. Arguably our best defender at the moment.

Right now, Sato's probably a little better, but given that he's 28 while Mudiay is 23, and with Mudiay having a much higher upside, I'd go with Mudiay if the costs the same - and I think Mudiay will actually be a bit cheaper. Sato's stats were a bit in decline last season - PER going from 15.4 to 14.1 and TS% from from .615 to .590. Mudiay's PER went from 11.5 to 14.6 and TS% from .474 to .531. And he has that same versatility Sato has. He's a physical specimen and even has a bit more length than Sato. Remember, early scouting reports on Mudiay were that he had a chance to be the first pick in the 2015 draft - before he got an injury in China that sidelined him for 3 months. https://www.nbadraft.net/players/emmanuel-mudiay

So, guard rotation of Mudiay, Beal and Brown or Sato, Beal and Brown? I guess it is a decent choice actually.
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Re: 2019 Offseason Thread 

Post#1433 » by Ruzious » Thu Jun 27, 2019 1:58 pm

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Would prefer Sato so long as the cost isn't too high. Provides too much versatility--wing/combo guard/lead guard in the lineup. Arguably our best defender at the moment.

Right now, Sato's probably a little better, but given that he's 28 while Mudiay is 23, and with Mudiay having a much higher upside, I'd go with Mudiay if the costs the same - and I think Mudiay will actually be a bit cheaper. Sato's stats were a bit in decline last season - PER going from 15.4 to 14.1 and TS% from from .615 to .590. Mudiay's PER went from 11.5 to 14.6 and TS% from .474 to .531. And he has that same versatility Sato has. He's a physical specimen and even has a bit more length than Sato. Remember, early scouting reports on Mudiay were that he had a chance to be the first pick in the 2015 draft - before he got an injury in China that sidelined him for 3 months. https://www.nbadraft.net/players/emmanuel-mudiay

So, guard rotation of Mudiay, Beal and Brown or Sato, Beal and Brown? I guess it is a decent choice actually.

I wouldn't write-off the idea of signing both Mudiay and Sato - though I think one would have to be traded when Wall comes back.
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Re: 2019 Offseason Thread 

Post#1434 » by nate33 » Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:13 pm

dckingsfan wrote:No QO to Dekker yet - interesting...

It doesn't surprise me at all. Dekker is a guy I'd like back for the vet minimum, but I don't think we can afford to pay his $3.9M QO.
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Re: 2019 Offseason Thread 

Post#1435 » by nate33 » Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:17 pm

Ruzious wrote:
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Ruzious wrote:Knicks have renounced their rights to Emanual Mudiay - to clear his free agent cap hold of $12,883,440 off their books. It might make more sense for the Wiz to sign him rather than Sato. Mudiay's 5 years younger than Sato and took a big step up last season after being switched to a combo guard type position, and there's a lot more potential there. I think he'd fit nicely with Beal. His 3 point shooting was 36.4% after the all-star break, so he has the makings of being a decent 3 ball shooter.


Would prefer Sato so long as the cost isn't too high. Provides too much versatility--wing/combo guard/lead guard in the lineup. Arguably our best defender at the moment.

Right now, Sato's probably a little better, but given that he's 28 while Mudiay is 23, and with Mudiay having a much higher upside, I'd go with Mudiay if the costs the same - and I think Mudiay will actually be a bit cheaper. Sato's stats were a bit in decline last season - PER going from 15.4 to 14.1 and TS% from from .615 to .590. Mudiay's PER went from 11.5 to 14.6 and TS% from .474 to .531. And he has that same versatility Sato has. He's a physical specimen and even has a bit more length than Sato. Remember, early scouting reports on Mudiay were that he had a chance to be the first pick in the 2015 draft - before he got an injury in China that sidelined him for 3 months. https://www.nbadraft.net/players/emmanuel-mudiay

Agreed. I like Sato, but there are definitely other options. Mudiay, Corey Joseph, even George Hill on a 1-year deal. Sato isn't important enough to hold the team hostage for an absurdly high price. If someone signs him to an offer sheet bigger than the MLE, we'll move on.

In fact, I'd probably extend Sato a 3-year $21M offer on Day 1 of free agency. If he didn't accept it in 24 hours, I'd tell him that we would start exploring other options. That $21M will be rescinded the moment we find an alternative. Put a little pressure on HIM to sign rather than wait around for two weeks for the best possible offer.
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Re: 2019 Offseason Thread 

Post#1436 » by 80sballboy » Thu Jun 27, 2019 3:16 pm

More from Katz on Wiz free agents from The Athletic

WASHINGTON, D.C. — The Wizards enter free agency without many tools.

They will be over the salary cap when they start talking to players at 6 p.m. on June 30. They will have a mid-level exception (the MLE is worth an estimated $9.2 million in 2019-20), meaning they can sign a player from another team for up to that salary, even though they don’t have the cap room to do so. They will also have the biannual exception, worth an estimated $3.6 million.

Though the Wizards will navigate the summer over the cap, they’re not in danger of reaching the luxury-tax line, still about $40 million short of it.

They can re-sign the free agents they want. They can bring in someone for the MLE. They can use their remaining trade exceptions to absorb a significant salary or two. And they don’t have to worry about the luxury-linked penalties for doing so.

But for today, we’re talking about their own guys. Here’s a look at Washington’s free agents and how interim GM Tommy Sheppard & Co. might approach each one’s upcoming free agency:

Tomas Satoransky
2018-19 salary: $3.1 million
Restricted free agent

The Wizards would like to get a deal done with Satoransky early. He’s whom they want as their starting point guard heading into next year — and don’t discount the fact that if they prolong negotiations with him, the process could become expensive.

With John Wall set to miss at least the vast majority of next season, Washington needs a point guard. It doesn’t view 19-year-old Troy Brown as a 1, especially not defensively. And with Wall out, it quite literally does not have a floor general on a fully guaranteed deal who could be active for an NBA game. That means playing hardball with Satoransky could make things really complicated really quick.

The Wizards have already tendered Satoransky his qualifying offer, meaning he’ll be restricted this summer. More specifically, he’ll be a second- or third-tier restricted free agent, the type that could meander into the later periods of NBA free agency, considering teams won’t want to tie up their cap space for 48 hours with a Satoransky offer sheet only to learn that the Wizards matched it and thus, will bring him back to D.C. If the Wizards wait for Satoransky to get an offer from someone else a couple of weeks into July, they could find trouble in a similar way to when Otto Porter signed a max offer sheet with the Nets a few years ago. Back then, the Wizards had no choice but to match based on the intuitive logic of having Otto Porter for any price was better than not having Otto Porter at all.

Satoransky, of course, wouldn’t be nearly as expensive as Porter. But if he wants, say, $40 million for four years (that’s a hypothetical, not reporting) and the Wizards decide to let him fish for a more significant offer, then he receives one, Washington has a problem. Plenty of point guards will be off the market by then, and the Wizards possibly wouldn’t be able to replace him with anyone of his caliber. They’d have to match, just because they’d need a starting point guard.

In that case, they might as well be proactive.

There will be a market for Satoransky, who can fit on most any roster and probably slides in best as a third guard who can maneuver between the point and wing. He can catch-and-shoot, pass well within the offense, guard point guards and defend off the ball.

Celtics guard Marcus Smart might be the superior player, but he received a four-year, $52 million deal last summer when the market for restricted free agents was desert dry. With more teams with cap space and more looking for guard help, this year should be more lucrative. Smart was one of those guys who took a few weeks to get his deal. If all goes to plan, the opposite will happen with Satoransky.

Other possible fits: Hornets, Mavericks, Pistons, Pacers, Suns

Thomas Bryant
2018-19 salary: $1.4 million
Restricted free agent

Think of Bryant’s range in the realm of $7 million to $10 million. If the Wizards offer something on the high end of that, there’s a good chance he ends up back in Washington. On the low end and a return is still plausible, depending on how he gets there.

Bryant would like to re-sign with the Wizards. And the Wizards are making him the top priority among their free-agent big men, according to sources. Remember, former president of basketball operations Ernie Grunfeld may not be present anymore, but this is still the same front office that plucked the 21-year-old off waivers last summer and developed him into one of the league’s better offensive centers.

Like with Satoransky, look for Bryant and Washington to try to get an agreement worked out sometime during the moratorium, which ends July 6, though doing so might be a tad more difficult with Bryant than with the point guard. The market for offensive-minded centers has bogged down over the past couple of years, and if the Wizards don’t make an offer that meets Bryant’s requirements off the bat, he’s the aforementioned type of restricted player who could linger weeks into free agency.

Complicating all of this is the fact that Bryant has Early Bird rights — which means, in simpler terms, that the Wizards are limited with the amount of money they can offer him, capped out at a four-year contract that would be worth an estimated $42.6 million. Now, it’s possible that it won’t matter. A bid so high appears ever so slightly above Bryant’s asking price of $10 million a year, and if the Wizards offer something close to it, there’s an excellent chance he’s signing it quickly.

The Wizards believe that Bryant, who led the NBA in restricted-area field-goal percentage this past season, will continue to progress on his weaknesses, namely his defense, because of a notorious work ethic just about anyone who’s ever managed him will mention. Someone with the Wizards recently commented that he works as hard as any player this person has ever dealt with. The Wizards, for the most part, believe that will show. Bryant won’t become an elite defender, but he can get better. And if he grows competent, Washington could have a true find, even on a contract that could pay him, more realistically, something like $24 million to $27 million over three years.

If the Wizards let Bryant field offers elsewhere, teams are looking for centers. The Kings will need someone to replace Willie Cauley-Stein, and though they have heaps of cap space to fill, Bryant could be an option down the list, given that his age fits their timeline and his style fits their fast-paced offense. The Pelicans will look for a center to place next to No. 1-overall pick Zion Williamson. Others out there could use a true 5.

But there are plenty of other centers on the market, too. And offense-centric centers are the third-down running backs of the NBA.

But the Wizards like Bryant. And Bryant likes the Wizards. That’s usually a good sign that something will get done.

Other possible fits: Celtics, Mavericks, Lakers, Pelicans, Magic, Kings

Bobby Portis
2018-19 salary: $2.5 million
Restricted free agent

Portis turned down a four-year extension that would have paid him eight figures annually back in the fall. He’s wanted an offer to come in at $16 million per, as the Chicago Tribune’s K.C. Johnson originally reported. Now, our own Tony Jones notes that the Wizards, who traded for Portis in the February deal that sent Otto Porter to the Bulls, aren’t expected to match a “huge” offer sheet for him this July. The news makes sense, though Portis could still get paid elsewhere.

The Wizards view the 24-year-old big man as somewhat redundant with Bryant’s skill set. And that means if Bryant is back, don’t expect them to dole out loads of dough for Portis, especially considering they think of 21-year-old 2019 first-round-pick Rui Hachimura as a 4. Hachimura doesn’t need to start right away, but they expect him to eventually. And they don’t need to commit bulky, long-term money to someone who would displace Hachimura’s potential starting spot a year or two down the line.

Coach Scott Brooks played Portis mostly at the 5, though he’d been a power forward most of his time in Chicago. And defensively, he didn’t take kindly to playing center, posting some of the worst rim-protection numbers of anyone who played significant minutes at the center position since Second Spectrum began tracking those numbers in 2013. (More info on that in here.)

But what Portis can do is shoot the 3-ball, about as well as any other big out there. And because of that, he can produce if he’s paired next to a rim-protector.

Most people around the league view him as the power forward he was in Chicago. A center such as Rudy Gobert could mask some of his defensive issues while his perimeter shooting complements Gobert’s inside game in Utah. Jazz big man Derrick Favors, by the way, has only a small guarantee for next season. Portis could fit next to other rim protectors, too.

But these are specific situations. If he doesn’t find the right circumstances — along with a little bit of luck — could he bet on himself signing a short-term deal with a cap-space team and heading back into free agency again in 2020 or 2021?

Other possible fits: Mavericks, Pacers, Knicks, Magic, Kings, Jazz

Jabari Parker
2018-19 salary: $20 million
Unrestricted free agent

The Wizards liked Parker in the role he played last season, but their evaluation of him is almost irrelevant. More importantly, did Parker enjoy playing it? And would he appreciate doing so for at least 82 more games?

Washington turned down Parker’s $20 million team option for 2019-20 (which it was never going to pick up), but it could still bring him back. And a return wouldn’t even have to be on a one-year deal. It would, however, take a commitment from Parker.

Brooks used Parker as a bench scorer and facilitator last season. If he remained in D.C., the team could use him for 28 minutes during games he’s going well. It could deploy him for half that time when he’s going up against a bad matchup.

Parker didn’t cause problems coming off the bench for the Wizards last season, but he also had to do it in a pinch after being traded with a couple of months remaining in the regular season. What if that was the plan for a full season? Being a reserve was an issue in Chicago. Would it become one elsewhere?

He has health concerns, considering he’s already undergone two major knee surgeries. He stayed on the court last season, but he also didn’t play — and thus, rested — for a significant chunk of the winter when he wasn’t getting any burn with the Bulls.

This past year was Parker’s “prove-it” season. During his couple of months with the Wizards, he showed something. He created as a fast-breaker. He scored around the rim. He exhibited some lift and speed. He turned the ball over like literally no one else in the NBA. He can possibly start for some teams, but those squads will be at the bottom of the standings. He might be able to find a deal with one of them, which could guarantee him minutes.

But if the Wizards provide a situation for him to be content or if he learned from his ousting in Chicago, there’s a chance D.C. could provide a basketball home for him.

If it does, don’t expect him to make any more than the mid-level, which the Wizards would not need to use to re-sign him. And his salary could certainly fall below that.

Other possible fits: Hornets, Cavaliers, Pistons, Heat, Knicks

Trevor Ariza
2018-19 salary: $15 million
Unrestricted free agent

The Wizards had an opportunity to deal Ariza and Jeff Green at this past February’s trade deadline and opted not to do so in favor of making an unlikely run at the postseason. Washington ended up losing 50 games and finishing far out of the Eastern Conference’s No. 8 seed.

It’s not like the Wizards would have gotten a ton of helpful pieces for either Ariza or Green, but they could have gotten something to help with their future. Justin Holiday, after all, was traded midseason for a couple of second-round picks. Ariza, himself, got traded from the Suns to the Wizards for Kelly Oubre and Austin Rivers. He indeed could have commanded something

Now, the Wizards might watch Ariza walk for nothing.

It’s not a guarantee that Ariza will head elsewhere, but it is more likely than not, given his preference of playing on the West Coast, a significant reason why he signed with Phoenix last year in spite of the team’s lack of talent. A return to the Western Conference appears a possibility for Ariza once again, though he won’t make the money he did last summer when he signed a one-year deal for $15 million.

Between an off shooting season, his defense taking a dip and aging another year, he’s not going to receive that salary. He might be more of a mid-level candidate, though he could always take less to go to a contender if winning is his priority over money. After all, Ariza is the type of player who is far more valuable on a competitive team than on an uncompetitive one.

Other possible fits: Warriors, Rockets, Clippers, Lakers

Jeff Green
2018-19 salary: $2.4 million
Unrestricted free agent

If you have to bet that either Green or Ariza is back with the Wizards next season, Green would be the better pick.

The DMV native seemed to genuinely enjoy playing close to home and where he went to college. He got along well with teammates. People inside the organization consistently speak highly of him. If Green wants to return on the cheap, the Wizards will have him. Of course, they can offer him only the cheap.

One of the confounding parts of not trading Green at this year’s deadline was that holding onto him does not give the Wizards much of a financial advantage in trying to re-sign him. Because he’s been with them for only one year, they can offer him just 120 percent of his 2018-19 salary. And because he was making the minimum this season, that means they can offer barely more than the minimum.

No matter where Green goes, though, that’s all he’ll receive. The 32-year-old would be at that point of his career — even if he did just put together his most efficient season, in spite of petering out over the final 20 or so games.

Green could head to a contender to help a winning squad. He could head to L.A. and team up once again with his good buddy, LeBron James, with whom he went to the 2018 Finals in Cleveland. He’d work as a bench player on other projected playoff teams, too.

Consider him someone whose free agency destination will take some time to figure out. He likely won’t sign with anyone until later in July.

Other possible fits: Warriors, Rockets, Heat, Bucks, Thunder

Sam Dekker and Chasson Randle
2018-19 salaries: $2.8 million, $869K
Unrestricted free agents

Though Dekker and Randle are both eligible to become restricted free agents, the Wizards are unlikely to extend them qualifying offers, meaning they’ll hit the market unrestricted. The logic is simple: Both guys’ qualifying offers are higher than their minimum salaries, and considering both will sign no better than minimum deals this summer, they would certainly take the more expensive qualifying offers were the Wizards to hand them out.

That means Dekker and Randle will be able to choose their destinations without the Wizards matching and bringing them back. But they also won’t have the robust markets either would prefer.

Washington actually could bring back Randle. The Wizards appreciate the way his personality would fit into the modified, hard-working culture they’re trying to build. Ideally, he’d return as a third-string, not second-string point guard, but there’s no way anyone will know his destiny for sure until late in free agency.

Both guys would be happy to take fully guaranteed deals. If they get those offers, that’s where they’ll be going. In all likelihood, neither will sign until later in the summer.
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Re: 2019 Offseason Thread 

Post#1437 » by doclinkin » Thu Jun 27, 2019 3:16 pm

TGW wrote:And you're missing the point entirely. I never said Beal couldn't coach or spot talent, I said he shouldn't FOR THIS TEAM. It's stupid. He's not a part of the front office or coaching staff, and he shouldn't be. He's a cog, that can be replaced at any moment. He's not an employee of the Washington Wizards, he's an employee of the National Basketball Association. He's as useful to the Wizards as the length of his contract, which can be traded on the open market.

No other team would do dumb **** like give a player ownership in the team. The Cavs contemplated doing it with Lebron, and he's in LA now.

Again, quit with the mom-n-pop bull. It makes the Wizards, as an organization, look desperate.


And you’re so damn jumpy from being a fan of the team that you’re missing the point. The Spurs and other well run organizations look for input from their employees. I’m not the guy saying Beal needs to be given an ownership slice as a player. I’m saying he in particular strikes me as a guy who will have a positive effect in a franchise after his playing days are done. Seems to me only smart to both nurture that and take full advantage later on. The way the Spurs do with their long term guys.

You don’t hear me saying that about other players. And I haven’t been Beal's biggest fan on these boards. He’s a good player. Slightly overrated. But developing in a positive way and worth assembling a young team around because of his active desire to mentor players. Both in the locker room and in his offseason work. But every time he crops up in the news, I respect him more. He's doing and saying the right things. That hasn't always been the case for Wizards fans.

Other players are in Vegas to party. You see the hype on Instagram. Beal is in Vegas every summer coaching an AAU squad. A smart organization takes full advantage of what a player does well and nurtures it. In this case I get the sense Beal is in the game for life. Seems only smart to me to build this team as an organization that grows the whole player. Instead of using them as pawns then kicking them out. That’s the way you do get a hometown discount from players who know the squad will take care of them long term if they build a winning team and culture.


Before Kawhi you never heard about San Antonio being in any divisive contract squabbles. Players like Manu or Parker or Duncan could’ve bled the team dry. They quietly renewed at relative bargain contracts.

Here we have had to overpay to land free agents (even our own) precisely because there’s no culture here. Seems to me you build that culture piece by piece with respected people.

In the audio clip Beal was talking about a room full of a few hundred AAU prospects. Giving them advice on how hard you have to work to become one of those 400 elite players who make it to the NBA. One of the cats on the team he coached has already jumped to the nba via the lotto. You think these players later in their career won’t recall their world famous AAU coach looking out for them and helping them shape their game? You don’t think if Beal is in the front office after his career and says ‘trust me’ they’re more likely to jump here than somewhere else with some guy they don’t know?

I’m saying this guy. Who with his millions could do whatever he wants in the offseason — instead spends it on two a days with elite prospects. Shaping and scouting his future competition and potential teammates. For what. Because the game matters to him. That’s all. That’s the kind of guy you want on your squad. And the kind of culture you want to foster.
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Re: 2019 Offseason Thread 

Post#1438 » by payitforward » Thu Jun 27, 2019 3:21 pm

doclinkin wrote:
TGW wrote:That would be the silliest thing this franchise has ever done if that were true.

Stop fawning over these players. They are chess pieces. NO, they should not be involved in front office moves, or given ownership stake in the team. Stop the mom-and-pop nonsense.

But cool. No former players should have a role in any franchise. This organization is contemplating Danny Ferry. But alright. Rule him out. And Jerry West. And Phil Jackson never should’ve coached. Much less Steve Kerr. Or Pat Riley. Or hell anyone in the Spurs organization. Hall of Fame coach John Thompson never should have coached since he was a former player. Players should do what they are told and shut the hell up. .

Doc, doc -- I think he meant right now. That "...they should not be involved in front office moves..." in the middle of their NBA player careers.

I have to agree with that. Which doesn't mean, btw, that you don't draw on their observations. Of course you might ask Brad what he thinks of this or that player, why not? Take useful information anywhere it might come from. That's different from giving someone a role in the FO.
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Re: 2019 Offseason Thread 

Post#1439 » by Dark Faze » Thu Jun 27, 2019 3:42 pm

Staggering to think of the amount of assets we may have let go for essentially nothing.

Oubre, Porter

Then if that wasn't bad enough, got a second chance at STILL getting something for Ariza by deadline--opted not to do so.

And really, all of that is Ted. Portis and Jabari came here and gave you exactly what you expected, and right now writing is on the table for Portis to certainly be gone, with Jabari as an unknown.
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Re: 2019 Offseason Thread 

Post#1440 » by payitforward » Thu Jun 27, 2019 3:46 pm

Ruzious wrote:Knicks have renounced their rights to Emanual Mudiay - to clear his free agent cap hold of $12,883,440 off their books. It might make more sense for the Wiz to sign him rather than Sato. Mudiay's 5 years younger than Sato and took a big step up last season after being switched to a combo guard type position, and there's a lot more potential there. I think he'd fit nicely with Beal. His 3 point shooting was 36.4% after the all-star break, so he has the makings of being a decent 3 ball shooter.

I can't see it, Ruz. You're right that he improved -- but given how absolutely horrible he had been it really doesn't amount to making him a useful player.

In fact, it was only as a scorer that he improved at all. But the result, a 53.1% TS% -- though almost 6 percentage points better than the previous year's horrible 47.4 -- was still below average. Plus he shoots the ball a lot, which is the killer in his case. We don't have those shots for him. Aside from shooting, everything else overall got worse last year rather than better.

Sato is actually a great fit with Beal. What scoring he does is extremely efficient, but it leaves a ton of shots for Brad. & he's very effective at the rest of the stuff.

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